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Sat Nov 21, 2020, 06:35 PM

Judge really kicked the crap out of Guliani.....




Basically said he was shit.

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Reply Judge really kicked the crap out of Guliani..... (Original post)
sunonmars Saturday OP
soothsayer Saturday #1
demtenjeep Saturday #4
soothsayer Saturday #8
Stallion Saturday #9
MFM008 Saturday #23
StarfishSaver Saturday #28
paleotn Saturday #31
MyOwnPeace Saturday #5
soothsayer Saturday #10
MyOwnPeace Saturday #18
SheltieLover Saturday #6
Karadeniz Saturday #2
RoadRunner Saturday #3
Mike Nelson Saturday #7
Brother Buzz Saturday #11
Gothmog Saturday #12
Raven Saturday #13
MyOwnPeace Saturday #19
malaise Saturday #14
Tommymac Saturday #24
malaise Saturday #32
C_U_L8R Saturday #15
Cha Saturday #16
MyOwnPeace Saturday #20
BobTheSubgenius Saturday #21
MyOwnPeace Saturday #22
Gothmog Saturday #17
Captain Zero Saturday #27
Native Saturday #25
Renaissance Man Saturday #26
SunSeeker Saturday #33
Jon King Saturday #29
Lucinda Saturday #30
BobTheSubgenius Sunday #34

Response to sunonmars (Original post)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 06:36 PM

1. "With prejudice" equals eff off and die

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Response to soothsayer (Reply #1)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 06:42 PM

4. what does With Prejudice mean?

have seen that several times

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Response to demtenjeep (Reply #4)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 06:46 PM

8. It means they cannot refile it

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Response to demtenjeep (Reply #4)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 06:46 PM

9. It Means it Can Not Be Refiled (although Defendant could possibly appeal to higher Court)

Courts don't like to dismiss cases with prejudice unless they find that it is unlikely that the plaintiff can replead the case to state a legitimate cause of action. The general rule is that Plaintiff's can amend their pleadings freely until a trial on the merits

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Response to demtenjeep (Reply #4)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 08:13 PM

23. telling them to FU@K off

without actually saying that...............

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Response to demtenjeep (Reply #4)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 08:46 PM

28. It means "This shish is unfixable, so don't even think of bringing it back in here"

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Response to demtenjeep (Reply #4)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 09:12 PM

31. What they said above....

In effect it means go fuck yourself, Rudy.

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Response to soothsayer (Reply #1)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 06:42 PM

5. Just so you know.........

When a lawsuit is dismissed with prejudice, the court is saying that it has made a final determination on the merits of the case, and that the plaintiff is therefore forbidden from filing another lawsuit based on the same grounds.

OR, as "soothsayer" so eloquently stated, "F-off" and die!

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Response to MyOwnPeace (Reply #5)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 06:47 PM

10. Thenk yew!

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Response to soothsayer (Reply #10)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 07:13 PM

18. Gets to the point!

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Response to soothsayer (Reply #1)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 06:43 PM

6. Yups!

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Response to sunonmars (Original post)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 06:39 PM

2. I wish the judges would/could go further than a wrist slap at this point. It's obvious this is a

Scheme to overturn a valid election...

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Response to sunonmars (Original post)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 06:39 PM

3. Rudy will claim it's another great victory.

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Response to sunonmars (Original post)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 06:45 PM

7. It's been leaking out of his head...

... for several days. Those kicks must hurt.

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Response to sunonmars (Original post)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 06:48 PM

11. OK, what's the tally now?

32, 33, 34 losses, now?

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Response to sunonmars (Original post)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 06:50 PM

12. This will be a fun opinion to read

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Response to sunonmars (Original post)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 06:53 PM

13. This ruling is a thing of beauty!

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Response to Raven (Reply #13)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 07:19 PM

19. Indeed it is!

Worth reading over SEVERAL times through the evening - and bringing a bigger smile each time!

(and the hair dye may have reached Rudy's butt-crack by this point!)


(I know - you're pizzed at me for the image! As Junior would say from quarantine: "Suck it up, big boy!" )

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Response to malaise (Reply #14)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 08:17 PM

24. Thank You Thank You Thank you!

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Response to Tommymac (Reply #24)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 09:23 PM

32. You're welcome

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Response to sunonmars (Original post)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 06:55 PM

15. I bet a bunch of Trump lawyers quit on Monday

This just isn't worth ruining your career over.

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Response to sunonmars (Original post)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 06:56 PM

16. Don't MESS with Democracy in PA..

ya bunch of trump Swamp Orange Dripping Blobs!

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Response to Cha (Reply #16)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 07:24 PM

20. My GAWD, Cha!!!!

You're sounding like Spiro Agnew!!!!!

“In the United States today, we have more than our share of the nattering nabobs of negativism. They have formed their own 4-H Club - the 'hopeless, hysterical hypochondriacs of history.”

But at least we know you're on OUR side!

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Response to MyOwnPeace (Reply #20)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 07:50 PM

21. "....nattering nabobs of negativism" is a phrase so bad, it's good.

It should never fade from memory of the historical record. I have a faded memory of him actually saying it. If it isn't TOO faded, my impression of him saying it on the tarmac of an airport is true.

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Response to BobTheSubgenius (Reply #21)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 08:12 PM

22. Of course what makes it SO amazing

is his own connection to the Nixon regime and the fact the he himself was indicted for corruption and forced to resign from office.

MAN, the RepubliCons can come with the "leadership" - can't they?

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Response to sunonmars (Original post)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 07:05 PM

17. Breaking: In Total Loss for Trump Campaign in Its Most Major Remaining Election Case, Federal Court

Prof. Hasen is having fun https://electionlawblog.org/?p=118942

In a total loss the the Trump campaign, a federal district court in Pennsylvania has dismissed the most serious case brought by the campaign and denied the campaign a motion to file an amended complaint.

The judge just excoriates this suit, which those of us in the field have called ridiculous from the start:

In other words, Plaintiffs ask this Court to disenfranchise almost seven million voters. This Court has been unable to find any case in which a plaintiff has sought such a drastic remedy in the contest of an election, in terms of the sheer volume of votes asked to be invalidated. One might expect that when seeking such a startling outcome, a plaintiff would come formidably armed with compelling legal arguments and factual proof of rampant corruption, such that this Court would have no option but to regrettably grant the proposed injunctive relief despite the impact it would have on such a large group of citizens.

That has not happened. Instead, this Court has been presented with strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations, unpled in the operative complaint and unsupported by evidence. In the United States of America, this cannot justify the disenfranchisement of a single voter, let alone all the voters of its sixth most populated state. Our people, laws, and institutions demand more. At bottom, Plaintiffs have failed to meet their burden to state a claim upon which relief may be granted. Therefore, I grant Defendants’ motions and dismiss Plaintiffs’ action with prejudice.


In a 37-page opinion, the court concluded:

Defendants’ motions to dismiss the First Amended Complaint are granted with prejudice. Leave to amend is denied. “Among the grounds that could justify a denial of leave to amend are undue delay, bad faith, dilatory motive, prejudice, and futility.” Given that: (1) Plaintiffs have already amended once as of right; (2) Plaintiffs seek to amend simply in order to effectively reinstate their initial complaint and claims; and (3) the deadline for counties in Pennsylvania to certify their election results to Secretary Boockvar is November 23, 2020, amendment would unduly delay resolution of the issues. This is especially true because the Court would need to implement a new briefing schedule, conduct a second oral argument, and then decide the issues.


The court had many problems with the complaint, but this goes to the heart of the merits: “Granting Plaintiffs’ requested relief would necessarily require invalidating the ballots of every person who voted in Pennsylvania. Because this Court has no authority to take away the right to vote of even a single person, let alone millions of citizens, it cannot grant Plaintiffs’ requested relief.”

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #17)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 08:44 PM

27. It was a Hail Mary to get it to the Legislature

Rudy is such a fucker.

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Response to sunonmars (Original post)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 08:19 PM

25. Loved the "In the United States of America" dig!

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Response to sunonmars (Original post)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 08:20 PM

26. FRCP 12(b)(6)

When a plaintiff fails to state a claim for which relief can be granted, it means that they’ve been hit with a 12(b)(6) motion under the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure.

When it’s this bad, it means that the plaintiff has jack shit to support his lawsuit, and that it’s immediately dismissed and unworthy of the court’s time.

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Response to Renaissance Man (Reply #26)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 10:03 PM

33. 12(b)(6) motions are very common, but they are usually granted without prejudice.

In other words, they are usually granted with leave for the plaintiff to file an amended complaint to try again at stating a valid claim.

Granting it with prejudice on the first go round is unusual and means the plaintiff failed to show how the complaint could be amended to survive a 12(b)(6) motion. In other words, it means the complaint was not worth the paper it was written on.

Unfortunately, this also means the plaintiff can now appeal, because it is basically a final order in the case. Rudy Giuliani, and Trump campaign senior legal adviser Jenna Ellis pointed to the decision as a positive development in their effort to push the case relatively quickly to the U.S. Supreme Court. In a joint statement, they said they would seek an expedited appeal to the U.S. Third Circuit Court of Appeals.https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-constitutions-pennsylvania-87eaf4df86d5f6ccc343c3385c9ba86c

But Rudy is running out of time. PA's counties must certify their results to Pennsylvania Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar by Monday, after which she will make her own certification.

Democratic Gov. Tom Wolf will notify the winning candidate’s electors they should appear to vote in the Capitol on Dec. 14.
https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-constitutions-pennsylvania-87eaf4df86d5f6ccc343c3385c9ba86c

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Response to sunonmars (Original post)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 08:47 PM

29. Trump's entire career he has sued...

Trump has sued everyone his entire life and gotten away with it. He and his family have destroyed many contractors, associates, tenants, and workers with lawsuits for generations. Now the law and the world citizens need to take revenge. Destroy his bid to steal the election, then destroy every single business and family member in every legal and financial way.

The Trump family has been a 3 generation scourge on the entire free world. Come Jan 21, the world must take its revenge legally and financially until every last Trump is running to the court house to change their miserable name.

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Response to sunonmars (Original post)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 08:54 PM

30. KNR

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Response to sunonmars (Original post)

Sun Nov 22, 2020, 11:40 AM

34. I was hoping the Subject line was being literal.

Is that wrong?

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