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Wed Nov 25, 2020, 12:52 PM

The one silver lining of our losses in the House...

Is that a progressive bloc like the Justice Democrats will be able to wield more influence and power than when we had such a large majority.

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Reply The one silver lining of our losses in the House... (Original post)
PTWB Nov 2020 OP
bottomofthehill Nov 2020 #1
Big Blue Marble Nov 2020 #2
PTWB Nov 2020 #3
onenote Nov 2020 #7
PTWB Nov 2020 #8
onenote Nov 2020 #9
PTWB Nov 2020 #13
TwilightZone Nov 2020 #15
NurseJackie Nov 2020 #22
Malmsy Nov 2020 #27
George II Nov 2020 #21
redstatebluegirl Nov 2020 #5
PTWB Nov 2020 #6
AmericanCanuck Nov 2020 #16
peggysue2 Nov 2020 #20
Zeus69 Nov 2020 #10
apnu Nov 2020 #24
George II Nov 2020 #26
The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2020 #4
Docreed2003 Nov 2020 #11
Initech Nov 2020 #12
Yavin4 Nov 2020 #14
msongs Nov 2020 #17
NurseJackie Nov 2020 #23
grantcart Nov 2020 #25
Klaralven Nov 2020 #18
TexasTowelie Nov 2020 #19
JI7 Nov 2020 #28

Response to PTWB (Original post)

Wed Nov 25, 2020, 12:53 PM

1. I think you forgot to add the sarcasm thing.

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Response to PTWB (Original post)

Wed Nov 25, 2020, 01:02 PM

2. That is not a silver lining.

If we hold the house in two years, it will be because we support the moderates in the House. These are
the vulnerable seats. Go left and lose both the House and the Senate. Most of the country is
more conservative than we here at DU. That is just a fact that we can not change.

If you want Kevin McCarthy to be the next Speaker than give more power to the Justice
Democrats. And in two years, we and they will have none.

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Response to Big Blue Marble (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 25, 2020, 01:04 PM

3. I disagree with that assessment.

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Response to PTWB (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 25, 2020, 01:17 PM

7. There are 10 Justice Democrats in Congress.

There are over 210 Democrats in Congress who aren't Justice Democrats.

The Justice Democrats are from deep blue districts. And even then, one Justice Democrat managed to lose in a district that is +14 D.

The rest of the party cannot and will not bend over backwards to make them happy.

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Response to onenote (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 25, 2020, 01:18 PM

8. We've got a big tent for a reason.

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Response to PTWB (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 25, 2020, 01:19 PM

9. Right. And the Justice Democrats need to learn to live inside that big tent.

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Response to onenote (Reply #9)

Wed Nov 25, 2020, 01:45 PM

13. Is that how that works?

JDs need to assimilate eh? I'd much rather have a strong progressive bloc pull us left than a submissive progressive bloc that allows us to stagnate.

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Response to PTWB (Reply #13)

Wed Nov 25, 2020, 01:56 PM

15. 10 people isn't a bloc.

It's an afterthought.

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #15)

Wed Nov 25, 2020, 03:13 PM

22. 💥

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #15)

Thu Nov 26, 2020, 09:52 AM

27. It's something, though.

I believe that they represent a lot of people.

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Response to PTWB (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 25, 2020, 02:28 PM

21. At least one progressive is on record as saying we have "too big of a tent".

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Response to Big Blue Marble (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 25, 2020, 01:07 PM

5. We go left, we lose everything in 2022.

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Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #5)

Wed Nov 25, 2020, 01:09 PM

6. No way.

There is no progressive position that isn't worth fighting for.

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Response to PTWB (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 25, 2020, 02:06 PM

16. Fighting for positions and winning are two different things

 

If we don't win, we fight from the sidewalk.

If we win, we fight at the table.

Politics is an art of compromise and arrive at a winning position. Not "my way or highway." The latter will get you a highway every single time.

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Response to AmericanCanuck (Reply #16)

Wed Nov 25, 2020, 02:21 PM

20. Thank you!

Elections are about winning and math. Without a win, we have no voice at all, no place at the table. Zip, zilch, nada.

Math is a harsh mistress.

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Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #5)

Wed Nov 25, 2020, 01:23 PM

10. I agree with @redstatebluegirl

This topic has been beaten to death on here, so people are just dug inů

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Response to Big Blue Marble (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 25, 2020, 03:34 PM

24. We can change that. But it takes time and paitence.

Something young progressives don't have yet.

I speak from personal experience. When I was younger I demanded change loudly and immediately. As I've aged I take a longer view and see change as gradual, glacial even, but consistent and measurable.

Win small battles that stick. Reframe progressive things as necessary and universal. Ease people into change.

Lightening bolt change, like fad diets are doomed to failure.

Sadly, only after years of hard road miles, does this lesson get learned. No amount of preaching from me or anybody else will teach this. Eventually everybody learns this last, and perhaps most important, life lesson.

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Response to apnu (Reply #24)

Wed Nov 25, 2020, 06:40 PM

26. They have the time, not the patience.

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Response to PTWB (Original post)

Wed Nov 25, 2020, 01:07 PM

4. There is no silver lining. Losing seats was a bad development,

and I hope the Justice Democrats (who are currently fundraising against other Democrats, https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214618597) get a clue.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 25, 2020, 01:39 PM

11. 👆this...all of this

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 25, 2020, 01:44 PM

12. My district lost a seat that we flipped in 2018.

And the winner is a real hard-line religious conservative Trump supporter. And it really sucked. I want to flip that seat back in 2022.

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Response to PTWB (Original post)

Wed Nov 25, 2020, 01:46 PM

14. Today's U.S. electorate is a bitterly, divided partisan landscape. Holding power by relying on...

moderates may not be the best overall strategy when confronting a party that's willing to extremes.

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Response to PTWB (Original post)

Wed Nov 25, 2020, 02:09 PM

17. losing seats is good if it gives more power to a splinter group? sad nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #17)

Wed Nov 25, 2020, 03:25 PM

23. The word I'd have chosen is "pathetic" or "disgusting" (or maybe just a little "shellfish").

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #23)

Wed Nov 25, 2020, 03:39 PM

25. Exactly.. By using branding that failed to win purple areas the OP


sees an opportunity to generate even more adverse branding so we can lose more seats and return to the minority where JD never have to compromise and vote righteously on ever losing vote.

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Response to PTWB (Original post)

Wed Nov 25, 2020, 02:16 PM

18. Actually, it gives more influence and power to the remaining few moderates.

It is far more practical for the moderates in remaining purple districts to vote with the Republicans than for the progressives to do so.

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Response to PTWB (Original post)

Wed Nov 25, 2020, 02:21 PM

19. Convoluted logic.

Progressives representing 5% of the majority party rather than 4% is not a silver lining. The only power that they might hold is to kill legislation being proposed by the remainder of the Democratic Party if their demands are not met. How is that a good thing?

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Response to PTWB (Original post)

Thu Nov 26, 2020, 10:04 AM

28. How would this happen ?

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