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Fox's John Roberts: No pardons for family or for self (Original Post) Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2021 OP
Yeah, and we didn't EXPECT that he'd turn out to be such a GD clusterfuck shitshow, either. CurtEastPoint Jan 2021 #1
That would be reassuring if we did not know he could do so in secret & not reveal hlthe2b Jan 2021 #2
I think the lawyers have warned him about loss of Ilsa Jan 2021 #3
How could that be legal anyway? Yeehah Jan 2021 #4
Except for reversing an impeachment conviction there are no limits to the pardon power. former9thward Jan 2021 #11
Are you saying it is constitutional? Yeehah Jan 2021 #16
Well there have been people trying to get the SC opinion on this for 230 years. former9thward Jan 2021 #19
The USSC doesn't issue advisory opinions Yeehah Jan 2021 #20
I wonder how they got through to him on that? Are those 100 pardons a temper tatrum as well as ... marble falls Jan 2021 #5
Damn I thought this was a SCOTUS opinion. lagomorph777 Jan 2021 #6
Yeah, very disappointing. n/t Hugin Jan 2021 #8
Me too! 2naSalit Jan 2021 #9
Good point! I added Fox to post. Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2021 #10
Turned out to be the case. (Though some fear a secret pardon in his pocket) nt Hortensis Jan 2021 #21
My question about Pardons is that even though they prevent prosecution... Hugin Jan 2021 #7
Yeah, don't believe it. harumph Jan 2021 #12
Maybe just hiding so he can have his glorious send off and Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2021 #15
Yeah, well if it's secret, then sure, we'll take CNN's word for it. msfiddlestix Jan 2021 #13
If accepting a pardon removes your 5th Amendment protection so you can be compelled to testify... Gidney N Cloyd Jan 2021 #14
Maybe they need to indict his kids first... Test the waters Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2021 #17
Trump couldn't afford his own fee for a pardon.... Buckeyeblue Jan 2021 #18

hlthe2b

(101,730 posts)
2. That would be reassuring if we did not know he could do so in secret & not reveal
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 11:19 AM
Jan 2021

He has to know that to reveal self-pardon or those of family would incite even Republicans trying him in impeachment, so he has every reason NOT to do so publicly.

MSM is late to recognize this as a very real issue.

Ilsa

(61,675 posts)
3. I think the lawyers have warned him about loss of
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 11:20 AM
Jan 2021

Fifth Amendment protection to those he pardons. He doesn't want them testifying against him, and would rather let them go through hell first.

Yeehah

(4,525 posts)
4. How could that be legal anyway?
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 11:21 AM
Jan 2021

Murder 10 people on last day in office. Issue pardon to self.

This is surely not constitutional.

former9thward

(31,806 posts)
11. Except for reversing an impeachment conviction there are no limits to the pardon power.
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 11:32 AM
Jan 2021

Even in your example. And what if a POTUS murders 10 people, resigns, and the VP elevated to POTUS issues a pardon? Are you saying that would not be unconstitutional?

former9thward

(31,806 posts)
19. Well there have been people trying to get the SC opinion on this for 230 years.
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 07:30 PM
Jan 2021

So far they have passed.

Yeehah

(4,525 posts)
20. The USSC doesn't issue advisory opinions
Wed Jan 20, 2021, 09:02 AM
Jan 2021

but I hope if an actual incident occurred when a president committed a serious crime and pardoned himself, the USSC would find an implied limitation on the pardon power. The founders probably did not intend to let a criminal president pardon himself. Of course, if it's a bunch of republican criminals on the USSC, all bets are off.

marble falls

(56,371 posts)
5. I wonder how they got through to him on that? Are those 100 pardons a temper tatrum as well as ...
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 11:22 AM
Jan 2021

... fund-raiser?

Hugin

(32,784 posts)
7. My question about Pardons is that even though they prevent prosecution...
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 11:26 AM
Jan 2021

Do they also prevent Discovery?

Trump has never seemed to be that afraid of Prosecution based on the fact he's never served even a day of time for any conviction in his life. However, I'm guessing he sees the Discovery process as similar to being a 'narc' in exposing other members of his syndicate to evidence for their prosecution. They don't play nice with 'narcs'.

Gidney N Cloyd

(19,781 posts)
14. If accepting a pardon removes your 5th Amendment protection so you can be compelled to testify...
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 11:41 AM
Jan 2021

...how is a "secret pardon" not obstruction of justice? Prosecutors wouldn't know that a secretly pardoned Ivanka, for instance, could be called and would have to sing like a canary.

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