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Soph0571

(9,685 posts)
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 08:14 AM Feb 2021

Tennessee Lawmakers Introduce Bill To Allow Fathers To Veto Abortions

A bill introduced in the Tennessee General Assembly this week would allow a man who gets a woman pregnant to request an injunction barring her from having an abortion.

The legislation, SB0494 in the Senate and HB1079 in the House, would require a court hearing to be held within 14 days of a petition being filed by the individual seeking an injunction.

At the hearing, if the man can prove that he is the biological father and that there is a “reasonable probability” that the woman would obtain an abortion, the court shall issue an injunction prohibiting her from terminating the pregnancy. Proof of parenthood requires only that the petitioner acknowledges paternity. A DNA test is not required.

If the woman violates the injunction by obtaining an abortion, the court may hold her in civil or criminal contempt. There are no exceptions for rape or incest.

[link:https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/tennessee-lawmakers-introduce-bill-allow-fathers-veto-abortions_n_6025ae58c5b6f88289fa797a?ri18n=true|]
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Of course this will not and cannot stand. These would be stealers of female agency will ultimately fail in these endeavours, but this theocratic patriarchal BS has to stop. Where have we seen this before? Oh. Wait.



Weaponised belief
Though set during the English civil war, Witchfinder General is chiefly a film about belief, or at least the harnessing of belief’s power in order to fulfil other terrible needs and desires. If its political message could be boiled down to one idea, it would be that belief can allow and excuse the most alarming of atrocities.

[link:https://www2.bfi.org.uk/news-opinion/news-bfi/features/witchfinder-general-michael-reeves-vincent-price|]
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Same mindset - centuries apart. Punishing women takes them to their sadistic happy place.
And not even an exemption for rape or incest. These fuckers think of rape as a punishment for women putting themselves in harms way, the she was asking for it schtick and that children are owned by the head of the far right religious cray cray household.. Can you imagine having to be a woman around these awful people... I think I would request the ducking stool just to get away from them 👀

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Tennessee Lawmakers Introduce Bill To Allow Fathers To Veto Abortions (Original Post) Soph0571 Feb 2021 OP
Now all that's needed... SkeezerRedux Feb 2021 #1
Does the same bill make men financially responsible for the child from inception to adulthood? bullimiami Feb 2021 #2
Take a wild guess... SkeezerRedux Feb 2021 #4
Are you suggesting that would make it okay? If so, you just don't get it. Towlie Feb 2021 #26
no. im not suggesting it would be ok. what im pointing out is bullimiami Feb 2021 #36
Yes, would the woman be ordered to pay child support treestar Feb 2021 #33
they go there but not all the way there. if they are going to legislate a child be born then bullimiami Feb 2021 #38
kick Demovictory9 Feb 2021 #3
I don't want to be within 10 miles when TNNurse hears about this. SkeezerRedux Feb 2021 #5
God NO! AmyStrange Feb 2021 #9
So you can get raped and then the rapist can veto you getting an abortion gollygee Feb 2021 #6
He'd have to prove he WAS the father first, but... AmyStrange Feb 2021 #8
Rapists are very often boyfriends or otherwise know the victims gollygee Feb 2021 #10
That's true, but he'd still have to PROVE he was the father... AmyStrange Feb 2021 #11
That the woman again suffers. nt gollygee Feb 2021 #12
Also, does it say they have to prove it, or can they just show it's likely? nt gollygee Feb 2021 #13
According to the bill, they sign an affidavit. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2021 #14
So anyone who signs an affidavit claiming to be the father can stop anyone from getting an abortion gollygee Feb 2021 #15
Well, it puts an injunction in place. A person can either follow the injunction or ignore it and get WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2021 #16
Thank you AmyStrange Feb 2021 #25
What if someone else signs an affidavit that say's HE'S the father and wants the abortion? AmyStrange Feb 2021 #29
What if the woman signs an affidavit saying he's NOT the father? AmyStrange Feb 2021 #21
Good question... AmyStrange Feb 2021 #18
Like MineralMan asked in another similar OP... AmyStrange Feb 2021 #7
According to the article, you just have to sign something saying you're the dad mr_lebowski Feb 2021 #17
What if the woman signs something saying he's not? AmyStrange Feb 2021 #20
Given the nature of the sort of assholes that write bills like this ... mr_lebowski Feb 2021 #22
Damn, I hate it when you're right! AmyStrange Feb 2021 #23
Just an idea, but... AmyStrange Feb 2021 #28
I like your thinking here ... but I don't think there's going to be consideration mr_lebowski Feb 2021 #31
I don't think it will either AmyStrange Feb 2021 #34
Interesting thought treestar Feb 2021 #32
Exactly AmyStrange Feb 2021 #35
This will continue until it is actively stopped...nt Wounded Bear Feb 2021 #19
And THE WAR ON WOMEN continues apace. I hate these women-hating gestational slavers. niyad Feb 2021 #24
"Fathers" shouldn't be in the headline nuxvomica Feb 2021 #27
I agree... AmyStrange Feb 2021 #30
Don't do it Cosmo Blues Feb 2021 #37
 

SkeezerRedux

(94 posts)
1. Now all that's needed...
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 08:24 AM
Feb 2021

Is Tennessee lawmakers introducing another bill requiring Cialis and Viagra to be dispensed to MARRIED men only, and only with a note permitting it from their WIVES, and available only after attending a MANDATORY CLASS in family planning and birth control.

Further...only one pharmacy per state may dispense same and the obligatory running of the gauntlet of taunting pro-choice peeps must be successfully completed.

Fair enough?

Tennessee legislators are in a singularly unthinking, hypocritical and disgraceful class of their very own.

bullimiami

(13,042 posts)
36. no. im not suggesting it would be ok. what im pointing out is
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 11:04 AM
Feb 2021

they are quick to heap responsibilities and take control of a womans life but totally absent when it comes to putting any accountability or responsibility on the man.

its some serious handmaids tale bullshit.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
33. Yes, would the woman be ordered to pay child support
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 10:50 AM
Feb 2021

after being forced to give birth?

Though men are, even if they did not want the child.

bullimiami

(13,042 posts)
38. they go there but not all the way there. if they are going to legislate a child be born then
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 11:10 AM
Feb 2021

they should also legislate the childs care.
both parents responsible. support if only one raises the child. from inception to adulthood.
and they should take state responsibility for the childs healthcare and preschool.

of course they wont do that because they are cynical male-domination promoting bastards.



 

AmyStrange

(7,989 posts)
8. He'd have to prove he WAS the father first, but...
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 09:50 AM
Feb 2021

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hopefully LE arrest him while he's doing it.
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gollygee

(22,336 posts)
10. Rapists are very often boyfriends or otherwise know the victims
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 09:55 AM
Feb 2021

And it's very difficult to prove rape.

 

AmyStrange

(7,989 posts)
11. That's true, but he'd still have to PROVE he was the father...
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 10:00 AM
Feb 2021

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It takes a VERY invasive medical procedure to prove fraternity during a pregnancy.

W/O proof, every tom, dick, and hairy could stop ANY abortion.
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gollygee

(22,336 posts)
15. So anyone who signs an affidavit claiming to be the father can stop anyone from getting an abortion
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 10:13 AM
Feb 2021

Great.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,145 posts)
16. Well, it puts an injunction in place. A person can either follow the injunction or ignore it and get
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 10:18 AM
Feb 2021

an abortion anyway, and then face the penalties (charging with civil or criminal contempt) if they're found out.

 

AmyStrange

(7,989 posts)
29. What if someone else signs an affidavit that say's HE'S the father and wants the abortion?
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 10:45 AM
Feb 2021

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What happens then?

There are too many loopholes to wiggle through for this bill to fly.
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AmyStrange

(7,989 posts)
21. What if the woman signs an affidavit saying he's NOT the father?
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 10:28 AM
Feb 2021

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What happens then?

If you don't need proof, I don't see why she can't do it either.
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AmyStrange

(7,989 posts)
7. Like MineralMan asked in another similar OP...
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 09:46 AM
Feb 2021

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How are they going to prove they're the father?

There's only ONE way, and that's through a VERY invasive medical procedure.

W/O proof, every tom, dick, and hairy can stop ANY abortion!
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mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
22. Given the nature of the sort of assholes that write bills like this ...
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 10:31 AM
Feb 2021

My guess would be ... the man's word takes precedence.

 

AmyStrange

(7,989 posts)
23. Damn, I hate it when you're right!
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 10:32 AM
Feb 2021

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I'd leave the state if that happened, or as WhiskeyGrinder says, ignore the injunction.
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AmyStrange

(7,989 posts)
28. Just an idea, but...
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 10:43 AM
Feb 2021

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what if the woman get's someone else to sign an affidavit that say's HE'S the father, and he WANTS the abortion.

What happens then?
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mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
31. I like your thinking here ... but I don't think there's going to be consideration
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 10:49 AM
Feb 2021

for anyone wanting there to be an abortion.

The whole point is to prevent women from getting them.

I'd presume that the way they'd write the bill is that all it takes is some random dude to say he's the dad and doesn't want to allow the woman to exercise choice, and that's that.

If it make you feel any better, I rather doubt this will ever become law.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
32. Interesting thought
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 10:49 AM
Feb 2021

What if there are two or more claimants?

The court would have to find a way to resolve that.

nuxvomica

(12,362 posts)
27. "Fathers" shouldn't be in the headline
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 10:40 AM
Feb 2021

Nitpicking, I know, but you're not a "father" until the baby is born. What does a husband say when he learns his wife is pregnant? "I'm going to be a father!"

Cosmo Blues

(2,439 posts)
37. Don't do it
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 11:05 AM
Feb 2021

With an anti-abortion asshole move out of state if I were female I'd just be a lesbian. And then again I believe Democrats are going to codify Roe versus Wade in legislation

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