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Sat Feb 13, 2021, 01:54 PM

I am beside myself with rage and anger right now.

I'm shaking at what just happened!

A stupid reading of an already public statement!

They passed a motion to call witnesses and then didn't call witnesses!

That testimony would have been extremely embarrassing for Republicans.

Today's process makes it look like Democrats caved to Republican threats. Republicans will be laughing about this for weeks.

I'm ENRAGED!

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Reply I am beside myself with rage and anger right now. (Original post)
servermsh Feb 13 OP
jrthin Feb 13 #1
Turin_C3PO Feb 13 #2
soothsayer Feb 13 #3
LSparkle Feb 13 #11
Bettie Feb 13 #21
Stallion Feb 13 #4
USALiberal Feb 13 #5
MontanaMama Feb 13 #6
Irish_Dem Feb 13 #13
Zoonart Feb 13 #14
Democracy2020 Feb 13 #7
The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 13 #8
Zoonart Feb 13 #15
Politicub Feb 13 #19
Vinca Feb 13 #9
a kennedy Feb 13 #16
Wawannabe Feb 13 #17
Vinca Feb 13 #23
Wawannabe Feb 13 #10
bmbmd Feb 13 #12
Danmel Feb 13 #18
Under The Radar Feb 13 #20
we can do it Feb 13 #22

Response to servermsh (Original post)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 01:55 PM

1. +1000

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Response to servermsh (Original post)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 01:55 PM

2. Relax.

Be mad at Republicans not Democrats.

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Response to servermsh (Original post)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 01:56 PM

3. Bummed

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Response to soothsayer (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:01 PM

11. Agree. I expected more from Raskin and co.

I don’t want to have to listen to that Orange Anus Mouth crowing about being “exonerated” again!!!

My God, Ted Lieu is right — if he can run again, we’re all stuck in this nightmare ... no end. His fans can just keep believing Biden isn’t legitimate and can terrorize us forever. I AM SICK OF CARING about what his sycophants think. LIBERATE AMERICA from this vampire!!!!!!

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Response to LSparkle (Reply #11)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:06 PM

21. We were always going to have to listen to him

crowing about being exonerated again. There is no way they will convict him.

Even those to claim to despise him actually love his beliefs, the only thing they don't like is that he is too open about them for their tastes.

Even Romney agrees with all of it. He just prefers it to be more veiled or it is "unseemly".

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Response to servermsh (Original post)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 01:57 PM

4. Its More Than a Stipulation-Since its In Evidence it Can Be Allowed During Argument

I would prefer live testimony but you'll hear it referred to as evidence throughout the day during argument. Otherwise reference to such evidence would be objectionable and inadmissible

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Response to servermsh (Original post)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 01:58 PM

5. Chill! Nt

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Response to servermsh (Original post)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 01:58 PM

6. I think it's okay.

DU’s StarfishSaver is someone I often look to for guidance on these matters...and she’s saying it was a good move by Raskin.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215105582

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Response to MontanaMama (Reply #6)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:02 PM

13. Yes, I am going to go with Raskin's judgement right now.

He is doing a brilliant job.

Trump has admitted to making the phone call.

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Response to MontanaMama (Reply #6)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:02 PM

14. I agree.

One minute the Democrats are geniuses and the next they are weaklings. Just stop it.

We got what we wanted, The admission of this testimony into the record is an admission of guilt by Donald tRump.
That is what we wanted., and we got it.

So take the vote and let's hang it around their necks, without letting them turn this into a shit show.
Just MHO.





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Response to servermsh (Original post)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:00 PM

8. Why? The House managers got exactly what they wanted.

Their threat to call witnesses was playing chicken with Trump's lawyers, and Trump's lawyers blinked. Live witnesses would have devolved into a circus with Trump's lawyers doing performative cross-examination for the benefit of their audience to no benefit to the prosecution. They got a stipulation to crucial facts. Give the House team a little credit, you're watching some of the best lawyers on the planet. They know what they're doing.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #8)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:03 PM

15. THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #8)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:04 PM

19. +1

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Response to servermsh (Original post)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:00 PM

9. It's not worth driving yourself crazy about. With or without witnesses the end result would

have been the same. Our best moves at this point are to get this over with, get Biden's agenda passed and work like hell to beat every Trumplican running for office in 2022.

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Response to Vinca (Reply #9)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:03 PM

16. Thank you for this, your voice is calming and true. ❤️

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Response to Vinca (Reply #9)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:04 PM

17. Is that your version of unity?

This is not how it should go IMO.

Witnesses are needed. We can’t just “get on with it”.

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Response to Wawannabe (Reply #17)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 04:20 PM

23. "Unity" is a pipe dream. Just wait and see. As soon as this is over - witnesses or no witnesses -

Trump will go on tour with a continuation of his stolen election/donate-to-me propaganda, only now it will have an added touch. He'll beat the drum that Joe is a fake president and act like a ruler in exile. All the while, Mitch and his merry band of whiners will oppose everything and anything Democrats propose. They use "unity" against us as a weapon - they always have - and if we fall for it this time we're fools. I think Joe gets this having witnessed the Obama years up close. Obama would give up all kinds of things to compromise and then Republicans would vote against it anyway. Joe has already shown them the door on the Covid-19 slash and burn proposal they came up with. You could have a hundred witnesses on each side and draw this out for Biden's entire term and the GOP would still vote to vindicate Trump.

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Response to servermsh (Original post)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:01 PM

10. Me too!

But there are other OPs that say “well played”. I do not agree.

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Response to servermsh (Original post)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:01 PM

12. As the prophet says

"Breathe in, breathe out, move on".

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Response to servermsh (Original post)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:04 PM

18. Me too.

We have the majority, why don't we use our power??

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Response to servermsh (Original post)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:05 PM

20. Get a majority vote for conviction even if not 2/3rds then proceed to a criminal charges

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Response to servermsh (Original post)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:32 PM

22. Calm down.

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