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Wed Feb 17, 2021, 11:47 AM

Should the left engage in their own misinformation campaign???

We have seen it from the right and from the russians for 6 years.

I am thinking create fake right wing social media accounts and help intensify the war between the trump and the mcconnell sides of the GOP.

Try to stoke the division on each side. imply that the 'establishment' is trying to take down the 'magas'

the DC GOP helping the FBI track down the crazy Q's.

Q's getting arrested and snitching on their fellow Q's.


these people are already paranoid and crazy and fall for any conspiracy theory out there.

what do you think? all is fair in politics or not the correct path for the left to go? keep it straight?


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Reply Should the left engage in their own misinformation campaign??? (Original post)
Garion_55 Feb 2021 OP
Arkansas Granny Feb 2021 #1
Thekaspervote Feb 2021 #3
randr Feb 2021 #2
Alacritous Crier Feb 2021 #13
Cirque du So-What Feb 2021 #4
lagomorph777 Feb 2021 #5
CommonHumanity Feb 2021 #6
blueinredohio Feb 2021 #7
uponit7771 Feb 2021 #8
Silent3 Feb 2021 #10
uponit7771 Feb 2021 #15
Mike 03 Feb 2021 #9
lame54 Feb 2021 #11
Vogon_Glory Feb 2021 #12
CommonHumanity Feb 2021 #14
maxsolomon Feb 2021 #16
edhopper Feb 2021 #17
sciencescience Feb 2021 #18
GemDigger Feb 2021 #19
LuvLoogie Feb 2021 #20
nuxvomica Feb 2021 #21

Response to Garion_55 (Original post)

Wed Feb 17, 2021, 11:50 AM

1. No. Once you've lost credibility it's nearly impossible to get it back.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 17, 2021, 11:52 AM

3. Agree! absolutely not. The qgop would use it against us

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Response to Garion_55 (Original post)

Wed Feb 17, 2021, 11:51 AM

2. Pop up some more popcorn-they are already eating each other

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Response to randr (Reply #2)

Wed Feb 17, 2021, 12:31 PM

13. 👆🏽THIS!!

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Response to Garion_55 (Original post)

Wed Feb 17, 2021, 11:54 AM

4. HELL no!

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Response to Garion_55 (Original post)

Wed Feb 17, 2021, 11:56 AM

5. Ssssshhhhhh... don't give it away...

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Response to Garion_55 (Original post)

Wed Feb 17, 2021, 12:04 PM

6. Fake Turtle Trump Discord?

As far as the GOP creating enough inter-party chaos on their own:

I have this scary suspicion that the Turtle-Trump discord is fake. Not sure about the nefarious motive. Maybe soaking up national attention and diverting from Biden's success? Maybe a false front to distract and disarm us while behind the scenes they consolidate their evil and greedy game plan.

I am definitely not prone to conspiracy thinking. I promise you that. I am just learning to look ever more closely for the GOP sleight of hand.

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Response to Garion_55 (Original post)

Wed Feb 17, 2021, 12:09 PM

7. No they shouldn't use disinformation but

they MUST call out the lies when they hear them.

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Response to Garion_55 (Original post)

Wed Feb 17, 2021, 12:10 PM

8. A coordinated truth campaign and precise messaging would be more effective

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #8)

Wed Feb 17, 2021, 12:14 PM

10. It's a shame lies work much better, however...

...at least on a certain portion of the populace. For some people, truth is never as compelling, especially compared to lies that stroke their egos and feed their favorite victimization narratives.

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Response to Silent3 (Reply #10)

Wed Feb 17, 2021, 12:34 PM

15. Yes but a quick response through similar channels is what we don't have set up. Pretty much the made

... up senseless lie gets around fast because there's little counter to it.

A whole network of lurkers like the kGOP have is what we need

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Response to Garion_55 (Original post)

Wed Feb 17, 2021, 12:11 PM

9. What some of us have been seeking might already be happening by osmosis

It might not be necessary to change our tactics if the GOP continues to disintegrate.

A month ago I was saying we should at least consider more drastic tactics, but we might be moving in the right direction of becoming a party that is coalesced around the idea of opposing the GOP as the party that opposes Democracy and has contempt for our founding principles and the Constitution.

The Republicans have become an identitarian party that is not seriously about issues (other than figleaves like abortion, "religious freedoms" and immigration) but simply opposing us. They are now clarifying who they are for all to see, and maybe we can coalesce around the idea of opposing them as fiercely as they oppose us. I thought for a long time this couldn't happen unless we actually made it happen, but it seems to be happening by itself. Voters motivated by anger at the other side, Ezra Klein argues (and IMO proves) in his book Why We're Polarized are consistently more reliable and turn out in greater numbers even in midterm elections. Voters like that do not "split the ticket." They vote straight ticket; they get out there no matter what.

At that point politics moves beyond policy and becomes about who we are as people.

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Response to Garion_55 (Original post)

Wed Feb 17, 2021, 12:24 PM

11. Not when the truth is so much more damning

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Response to Garion_55 (Original post)

Wed Feb 17, 2021, 12:29 PM

12. No. Definitely No!

No we should NOT start our own lying and disinformation campaign. Not only do I believe that somebody should stand for truth and decency, but I hope to G*d that our firebrands have realize that not only the Republicans, but the arrrogant, lazy-@$$ $h1t-clowns holding down positions in the editorial and administrative positions in the lamestream corporate new media have institutionalized double standards when it comes to talking about Republicans and Democrats. Republicans are allowed to lie and lie shamelessly, embroider their lies, then amplify them, and the lame-o hacks who call themselves journalists on broadcast media will either accept those lies as truth or blow them off as “boys being boys.”

On the other hand, if a Democrat lies or even makes an accidental mis-statement and gets caught, those same corporate media hacks will treat them as the biggest liars since Joseph Goebbels, no matter how small or trivial the offense, and those guys’ journos will hang that offense around our necks for years.

I wish I’m exaggerating, but I’m not.

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Response to Garion_55 (Original post)

Wed Feb 17, 2021, 12:32 PM

14. yes to uponit771

A precise EFFECTIVE information campaign!

The Dems have useful, sane, life-affirming and decent policies, but we seem to remain at a perpetual deficit with regards to messaging. Seems we've improved somewhat, but we are still lacking. What to do? We need a Carville/Abrams/Sanders/Buttigieg/Bill Clinton/Madison Avenue hybrid drafting our messaging and training other democratic politicians.

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Response to Garion_55 (Original post)

Wed Feb 17, 2021, 12:36 PM

16. The right has already convinced half the country that the left DOES use disinformation.

There are millions of people in the middle ideologically who BELIEVE that "all media lies", that "both sides are just as bad", that "all politicians lie".

Don't give them proof.

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Response to Garion_55 (Original post)

Wed Feb 17, 2021, 12:38 PM

17. NO

They just have to get better at getting out true information.

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Response to Garion_55 (Original post)

Wed Feb 17, 2021, 12:59 PM

18. No. We need to break their trust in sources that manipulate the truth and make up stuff.

And get them to trust unbiased sources that have actual research, documentation, evidence and facts.

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Response to Garion_55 (Original post)

Wed Feb 17, 2021, 01:04 PM

19. I hate liars, bullshitters and cons.

Would we be any better than the other liars, bullshitters and cons?

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Response to Garion_55 (Original post)

Wed Feb 17, 2021, 03:58 PM

20. Let me reiterate the room by saying, "No Fucking way"

The reality of what they are only needs light and witness. We need no O'keefes.

The GOP has achieved a critical mass of suck. Floor-to-ceiling, bare-assed, malevolent suck.

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Response to Garion_55 (Original post)

Wed Feb 17, 2021, 04:08 PM

21. Innocence vs. Corruption

We should always embrace innocence, of which the signature characteristic is honesty, because as soon as you become dishonest, you embrace corruption and that is like an infection, creating damage in unforeseen places. If we embark on such dishonesty, we would no longer trust each other.

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