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Parliamentarian: Minimum Wage Increase Stripped Out of Reconciliation Bill (Original Post) tritsofme Feb 2021 OP
well there goes manchin's reason to vote against the covid bill. nt msongs Feb 2021 #1
Beat me to it jpak Feb 2021 #2
he was also grousing about the amount of direct payments bigtree Feb 2021 #22
easy to solve - dont give anything to ppl in WV. that oughta save $$ nt msongs Feb 2021 #28
sweeteners work better with voters bigtree Feb 2021 #36
Unfortunately, raising the minimum wage is probably not going to happen Thekaspervote Feb 2021 #3
And the states where it won't happen Bettie Feb 2021 #6
Why not launch it on its own merit? OAITW r.2.0 Feb 2021 #8
there are zero Rethug votes (we need 10) to stop the inevitable Rethug filibuster Celerity Feb 2021 #26
Another good reason to get rid of the filibuster. OAITW r.2.0 Feb 2021 #30
As it stands, 3 Dems (Manchin, Sinema, Feinstein, + maybe more) have said they will not end it, Celerity Feb 2021 #31
This may mean we will get our checks sooner left-of-center2012 Feb 2021 #4
The states are going to have to take the lead. When poor people stop voting for reps to vote onecaliberal Feb 2021 #5
Do the "rules" ever hurt the billionaires? Or do they only hurt the people. Irish_Dem Feb 2021 #7
This particular rule makes some sense. Caliman73 Feb 2021 #19
Will Harris overrule parliamentarian? Stay tuned. Nt Fiendish Thingy Feb 2021 #9
Not going to happen. We already have Munchin having a problem with that, and we will need still_one Feb 2021 #12
The White House came out yesterday and said they wouldn't tritsofme Feb 2021 #13
The Biden administration has already said Colgate 64 Feb 2021 #14
No, the Chief of Staff ruled that out on MSNBC last night dsc Feb 2021 #15
How "independent" IS this parliamentarian? mvd Feb 2021 #10
She is reported to be widely respected and admired Colgate 64 Feb 2021 #16
Was she the one that permitted drilling in ANWR to be in reconciliation, as per Bernie's statement? mvd Feb 2021 #32
Here's what Republicans did in the past... Nevilledog Feb 2021 #21
We should do that but probably won't due to lack of support mvd Feb 2021 #25
House Democrats MUST pass a $15 min wage bill and force the GOP to vote against!!!! OrlandoDem2 Feb 2021 #11
Yes, as a separate bill still_one Feb 2021 #17
It'll be filibustered and never get a vote SoonerPride Feb 2021 #33
Put it inside a defense bill JI7 Feb 2021 #18
Now that's a good idea! mvd Feb 2021 #20
Thats how they got em to vote for it the last time it was raised jcgoldie Feb 2021 #27
This is indeed how it was raised a decade ago. SoonerPride Feb 2021 #34
Hope someone tells them mvd Feb 2021 #35
FUCK Celerity Feb 2021 #23
Politically it's good for the Dems Wanderlust988 Feb 2021 #24
There will be no vote on a standalone wage increase bill. It will be filibustered and thus never be Celerity Feb 2021 #29

bigtree

(85,917 posts)
22. he was also grousing about the amount of direct payments
Thu Feb 25, 2021, 08:49 PM
Feb 2021

...and wanted to change the income requirements, even though it would cut off many people who got the $600.

He should go quietly on the relief bill, lest he outflank his republican governor on the right.

bigtree

(85,917 posts)
36. sweeteners work better with voters
Thu Feb 25, 2021, 10:44 PM
Feb 2021

...than retaliation against them, which wouldn't faze Manchin.

Achieving things like the minimum wage increase and finding ways to get more people working is the best case Democrats can make for support there.

Thekaspervote

(32,606 posts)
3. Unfortunately, raising the minimum wage is probably not going to happen
Thu Feb 25, 2021, 08:24 PM
Feb 2021

There are states where it’s happening..a slow roll out

Bettie

(15,998 posts)
6. And the states where it won't happen
Thu Feb 25, 2021, 08:28 PM
Feb 2021

are the ones that tend to pay not a penny more than the minimum.

OAITW r.2.0

(23,813 posts)
8. Why not launch it on its own merit?
Thu Feb 25, 2021, 08:29 PM
Feb 2021

This is the economic stimulus that a consumer driven economy absolutely needs. As soon as Covid passes....does this shrink the $1.9TT cost? If so, how much?

OAITW r.2.0

(23,813 posts)
30. Another good reason to get rid of the filibuster.
Thu Feb 25, 2021, 09:07 PM
Feb 2021

(1) $15 minimum wage
(2) protection/strengthening election law

Make the right moves on majority vote and let the Republicans explain their negative votes in 2022 and 2024.

Celerity

(42,648 posts)
31. As it stands, 3 Dems (Manchin, Sinema, Feinstein, + maybe more) have said they will not end it,
Thu Feb 25, 2021, 09:14 PM
Feb 2021

so thus we all sit and suffer due to a mistake made in 1805 by Aaron Burr.


Senate Filibuster Was Created By Mistake

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/brookings-now/2013/11/20/senate-filibuster-was-created-by-mistake/

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
4. This may mean we will get our checks sooner
Thu Feb 25, 2021, 08:27 PM
Feb 2021

I do believe we need an increase in the minimum wage.

But if that held up or even stopped the stimulus bill many now waiting in food lines would suffer.
Put the minimum wage increase into a separate bill.

onecaliberal

(32,483 posts)
5. The states are going to have to take the lead. When poor people stop voting for reps to vote
Thu Feb 25, 2021, 08:28 PM
Feb 2021

with their corporate masters we might get some things done. I am not hopeful. At least 10 trillion parked offshore, but we can't get even 10 bucks an hour. So pathetic.

Caliman73

(11,693 posts)
19. This particular rule makes some sense.
Thu Feb 25, 2021, 08:45 PM
Feb 2021

It sucks, but makes sense. When you use Reconciliation, you are forgoing the regular rules of the Senate (Cloture) so there is an expectation that the policies that come out of Reconciliation will not be permanent laws. There has to be a time limit, so a minimum wage increase (unless they put a time limit on it) would not comply with that rule.

To answer your question more plainly though, NO, rules never really hurt billionaires. They get their policies enacted 90% of the time, whereas the rest of us have about a 30% success rate.

still_one

(91,947 posts)
12. Not going to happen. We already have Munchin having a problem with that, and we will need
Thu Feb 25, 2021, 08:39 PM
Feb 2021

every Democratic vote in the Senate

Colgate 64

(14,732 posts)
14. The Biden administration has already said
Thu Feb 25, 2021, 08:39 PM
Feb 2021

that they will honor the decision of the Parliamentarian. So, no.

mvd

(65,148 posts)
32. Was she the one that permitted drilling in ANWR to be in reconciliation, as per Bernie's statement?
Thu Feb 25, 2021, 09:35 PM
Feb 2021

If so, this decision is just terrible. I didn’t think the CBO projection put enough emphasis on long term benefits, but they did say it has a budgetary effect.

Nevilledog

(50,676 posts)
21. Here's what Republicans did in the past...
Thu Feb 25, 2021, 08:48 PM
Feb 2021


Tweet text:
Robert Reich
@RBReich
·
Feb 25, 2021
When the Senate parliamentarian got in the way of the Bush tax cut, Republicans fired him and passed it anyways.

Kyle Griffin
@kylegriffin1
The Senate parliamentarian has ruled that Democrats' $15 minimum wage provision cannot be included in President Biden's COVID relief bill.

Robert Reich
@RBReich

Key Senate Official Loses Job in Dispute With GOP
washingtonpost.com
5:44 PM · Feb 25, 2021

mvd

(65,148 posts)
25. We should do that but probably won't due to lack of support
Thu Feb 25, 2021, 08:51 PM
Feb 2021

At least rulings in the past have been consistent.

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
33. It'll be filibustered and never get a vote
Thu Feb 25, 2021, 09:42 PM
Feb 2021

They could however put it in a military spending bill

Or infrastructure Bill

mvd

(65,148 posts)
20. Now that's a good idea!
Thu Feb 25, 2021, 08:46 PM
Feb 2021

Make Repukes vote against defense.

I would like us to overrule since I feel this decision is wrong. But it would probably then lose more votes.

Either try something like you said or at least get it to $10 or $11 with intent to go higher.

Celerity

(42,648 posts)
29. There will be no vote on a standalone wage increase bill. It will be filibustered and thus never be
Thu Feb 25, 2021, 09:03 PM
Feb 2021

voted on. Best chance we have now is to ram it into a Defence Appropriation bill.

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