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I Called Let Them Eat Cake Sinema's Office (Original Post) kairos12 Mar 2021 OP
John Lewis vs Jim Crow.Guess who Republicans would vote for Walleye Mar 2021 #1
That would be the Senator who voted no on an amendment that shouldn't have been included? AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2021 #2
She voted FOR bread (the ARP). Laelth Mar 2021 #5
"said she supported raising the minimum wage outside the stimulus bill" - When it wouldn't pass PoliticAverse Mar 2021 #6
So convince some Republicans to do their job rather than shitting on a Democrat AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2021 #7
Which is more reasonable expecting politicians you support to do what you want... PoliticAverse Mar 2021 #9
So insult and threaten her to get what you want AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2021 #12
"Bernie's irrelevant amendment." - seems to have served its purpose quite well. PoliticAverse Mar 2021 #16
So Bernie introduced the amendment to go after Democrats? AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2021 #17
To add to this... AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2021 #19
Targeting, or pressuring to stiffen their spines? DTomlinson Mar 2021 #21
Getting Qpublicans to do their jobs is literally impossible. lagomorph777 Mar 2021 #10
Republicans don't care ffs. DTomlinson Mar 2021 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author jorgevlorgan Mar 2021 #24
Modifying it would work as well, and an easier sell to Manchin, Feinstein, and Sinema nt Celerity Mar 2021 #3
Manchin has already said he supports returning to a talking filibuster nt AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2021 #4
That's all you need. Talking filibusters rarely succeeded and never for bills worth waiting for.. PoliticAverse Mar 2021 #11
She could do both. HR1 is the For The People Act, protecting voting rights, etc. lagomorph777 Mar 2021 #8
Has she even hinted that she's a no on either bill? nt AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2021 #13
She has said that the Filibuster should be expanded to its former scope. lagomorph777 Mar 2021 #14
Filibuster, voting rights and civil rights are not the same thing AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2021 #15
Did somebody say they're the same thing? lagomorph777 Mar 2021 #18
Precisely. kairos12 Mar 2021 #20
Who has more leverage over Republican politicians, Democrats or Republican voters and donors? DTomlinson Mar 2021 #23

AZSkiffyGeek

(10,816 posts)
2. That would be the Senator who voted no on an amendment that shouldn't have been included?
Mon Mar 8, 2021, 03:07 PM
Mar 2021

The woman who has been mocked here for her clothing and body language? The one who voted FOR the stimulus? The one who has said she supported raising the minimum wage outside the stimulus bill? The Democratic senator that you are bashing?

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
6. "said she supported raising the minimum wage outside the stimulus bill" - When it wouldn't pass
Mon Mar 8, 2021, 03:11 PM
Mar 2021

due to the fillibuster rules she supports, right?

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
9. Which is more reasonable expecting politicians you support to do what you want...
Mon Mar 8, 2021, 03:20 PM
Mar 2021

or ones you don't? Politicians you voted for to do what you want or ones you didn't?

AZSkiffyGeek

(10,816 posts)
12. So insult and threaten her to get what you want
Mon Mar 8, 2021, 03:25 PM
Mar 2021

Maybe post some mocking pictures while completely ignoring that she wasn't the only Democrat to vote against Bernie's irrelevant amendment.
Sounds like a good strategy to build some clout, but it probably won't get the results you want.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
16. "Bernie's irrelevant amendment." - seems to have served its purpose quite well.
Mon Mar 8, 2021, 03:35 PM
Mar 2021

Now people know where everyone stands on the issue.

So let's not ignore anyone. Here is who voted against it:

Every Republican present in the Senate and:
Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.)
Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.)
Angus King (I-Maine.)
Tom Carper (D-Del.)
Chris Coons (D-Del.)
Jon Tester (D-Mont.)
Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.)
Maggie Hassan (D-N.H.)

AZSkiffyGeek

(10,816 posts)
17. So Bernie introduced the amendment to go after Democrats?
Mon Mar 8, 2021, 03:36 PM
Mar 2021

Sounds like the far left's MO - attack Democrats and ignore Republicans.

Response to AZSkiffyGeek (Reply #2)

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
11. That's all you need. Talking filibusters rarely succeeded and never for bills worth waiting for..
Mon Mar 8, 2021, 03:23 PM
Mar 2021

(The filibuster over the Civil Rights Act lasted 60 days before it failed - https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/the-filibuster-that-almost-killed-the-civil-rights-act/ ).

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
8. She could do both. HR1 is the For The People Act, protecting voting rights, etc.
Mon Mar 8, 2021, 03:19 PM
Mar 2021

So, she could do both things to strengthen democracy if she cared to.

AZSkiffyGeek

(10,816 posts)
15. Filibuster, voting rights and civil rights are not the same thing
Mon Mar 8, 2021, 03:34 PM
Mar 2021

But since everyone wants to excuse the Republicans for their obstinance and blame Democrats here....

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
18. Did somebody say they're the same thing?
Mon Mar 8, 2021, 03:37 PM
Mar 2021

However, in this case, they are tied together; pukes are planning to block HR1 by using the Filibuster, which Sinema implies she will be happy to let them do.

 

DTomlinson

(411 posts)
23. Who has more leverage over Republican politicians, Democrats or Republican voters and donors?
Mon Mar 8, 2021, 04:45 PM
Mar 2021

Do you honestly expect Republicans to be anything less than mendacious?

President Obama bent over backwards for years to try to find common ground with Republicans. He appealed to the better angels of their nature, extended his hand, gave them every opportunity to come to the table and make a bipartisan compromise. What did he get in return from them?

Some of us are harder on Democrats than on Republicans because it's pretty obvious that Republicans are way too far gone and that therefore, it's a waste of time to try to persuade them. I expect Democrats to be better than Republicans, because my baseline assumption is that Democrats are better than Republicans.

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