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Tue Apr 20, 2021, 08:06 PM

The police officer who fatally shot 13-year-old Adam Toledo was listed as a victim on an incident re

The police officer who fatally shot 13-year-old Adam Toledo was listed as a victim on an incident report. One law-enforcement expert said it's 'an old cop trick meant to muddy the murky waters.'

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The report identifies the officer as Eric Stillman, 34, listing him as a victim in an aggravated assault of a law-enforcement officer. According to a tactical-response report that COPA released, Toledo was armed with a semi-automatic pistol, which was "displayed, not used" during the incident.

Tom Nolan, a law-enforcement expert who previously worked with the Boston Police Department, told Insider that listing the officer as the victim in the incident is "a long-used and hackneyed police trope" to recast the "focus of culpability and blame onto the actual victim of the police deadly-force incident, i.e., the person who the police killed."

"Thus the victim, in this case, the unarmed dead child who is shot and killed by police becomes the 'perpetrator,' and the police officer shooter, the killer, assumes the posture and pose of 'victim,'" he said. "It's an old cop trick meant to muddy the murky waters and is often used in the aftermath of what we cops call a 'bad shoot.'"

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"It is done in a time where law enforcement wants to try to be cleared of a controversial issue or they want to try to gain more of the sympathy or, you know, more of a view that they are the victim themselves and not the state or not that the guy just had the gun in his hand," Titus told Insider.

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Reply The police officer who fatally shot 13-year-old Adam Toledo was listed as a victim on an incident re (Original post)
rpannier Apr 20 OP
RockRaven Apr 20 #1
crickets Apr 20 #3
2naSalit Apr 20 #15
WhiskeyGrinder Apr 20 #2
Solly Mack Apr 20 #4
SharonClark Apr 20 #5
rpannier Apr 20 #6
mopinko Apr 20 #8
Bettie Apr 20 #12
CanonRay Apr 20 #7
Progressive Jones Apr 20 #9
CanonRay Apr 20 #10
Progressive Jones Apr 20 #13
CanonRay Apr 20 #14
Progressive Jones Apr 21 #16
StarfishSaver Apr 20 #11

Response to rpannier (Original post)

Tue Apr 20, 2021, 08:14 PM

1. Take note what this says about the department as a whole, not just the killer cop.

If you are looking for justice, it won't come from this department.

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Response to RockRaven (Reply #1)

Tue Apr 20, 2021, 08:24 PM

3. +1

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Response to RockRaven (Reply #1)

Tue Apr 20, 2021, 11:21 PM

15. It's the definition of sytemic.

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Response to rpannier (Original post)

Tue Apr 20, 2021, 08:16 PM

2. Abolish it all.

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Response to rpannier (Original post)

Tue Apr 20, 2021, 08:27 PM

4. K&R

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Response to rpannier (Original post)

Tue Apr 20, 2021, 08:33 PM

5. Reminds me of "they put their lives on the

line everyday”. For what percentage of cops is that true? Where I live, very few, and most days 0%.

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Response to SharonClark (Reply #5)

Tue Apr 20, 2021, 08:37 PM

6. Lots of sizable mid-sized cities in the U.S. are as crime-free as many very small towns

That old trope of putting their lives on the line is as tiresome as it is inaccurate

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Response to rpannier (Reply #6)

Tue Apr 20, 2021, 09:34 PM

8. there are a lot of quiet hoods in chi, and other cushy jobs.

cops in schools, dignitary details.
they're big babies when it comes to stepping into some shit. trust me on this.

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Response to SharonClark (Reply #5)

Tue Apr 20, 2021, 09:44 PM

12. Cops are not even in the top ten most dangerous jobs

the most recent list I saw had them at #22.

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Response to rpannier (Original post)

Tue Apr 20, 2021, 08:51 PM

7. The Chicago cops are known for carrying throwdowns

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Response to CanonRay (Reply #7)

Tue Apr 20, 2021, 09:40 PM

9. I can attest to that. I've been told so by cops there. nt

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Response to Progressive Jones (Reply #9)

Tue Apr 20, 2021, 09:43 PM

10. I grew up there, and worked there in law enforcement

Had a number of friends on the PD

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Response to CanonRay (Reply #10)

Tue Apr 20, 2021, 09:55 PM

13. I grew up there, too. I've known many cops over the years.

My Dad owned a bar that a lot of cops from Shakespeare (14th) frequented.

My Dad also palled around with a Chief of Detectives, Bill Hanhardt, He turned out to be the leader
of a jewel theft ring, but that's a story for another time.

An ex-bro-in-law is a Homicide Detective (he's a boy scout/clean cop). Several childhood friends became cops ("the family business", LOL). Some clean, some dirty.

My point is, I've heard a lot about their world from the horses mouths. While most do a good job, there are more shady ones, and just plain assholes out there than people like to think.

It's not a matter of "just a few" bad ones.

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Response to Progressive Jones (Reply #13)

Tue Apr 20, 2021, 10:46 PM

14. To me, a cop who ignores a bad cop

is a bad cop

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Response to CanonRay (Reply #14)

Wed Apr 21, 2021, 12:39 AM

16. I fully agree. nt

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Response to rpannier (Original post)

Tue Apr 20, 2021, 09:44 PM

11. They do it because they get away with it

Just look at the number of people on DU who insisted that the child throwing away a gun and putting his hands up was actually a threatening gesture.

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