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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,063 posts)
Tue Apr 27, 2021, 01:46 PM Apr 2021

Police Training Seminar Canceled After Uproar at 'Killology' Speaker

A law enforcement training seminar in Michigan has been canceled following concerns about comments a former Army ranger, scheduled to speak, had made about fatal police shootings.

Lt. Col. (ret) Dave Grossman, 64, was scheduled to be one of the keynote speakers at the Michigan Association of Chiefs of Police (MACP) event due to take place at the Oak Pointe Church in Novi, northwest of Detroit on May 26 and 27.

In his biography on his website, Grossman is described as the director of the Killology Research Group. It describes killology as the study of "the reactions of healthy people in killing circumstances," such as police and military in combat "and the factors that enable and restrain killing in these situations."

But videos of comments he had made previously have circulated online, raising alarm. In a video that recently went viral, Grossman tells a class that police have "the best sex" after shooting a "bad guy."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/police-training-seminar-canceled-after-uproar-at-killology-speaker/ar-BB1g70e6

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Police Training Seminar Canceled After Uproar at 'Killology' Speaker (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2021 OP
Seriously, read the room! Initech Apr 2021 #1
Drag him! Put that lunatic out of business soothsayer Apr 2021 #2
Police Departments are like MBA programs -- while they attract more than their share of RockRaven Apr 2021 #3
I Have An MBA ProfessorGAC Apr 2021 #9
So does my husband. Broad brushes are so -- dumb. nt Hekate Apr 2021 #10
I Know About 30 ProfessorGAC Apr 2021 #11
Another MBA here. Lonestarblue Apr 2021 #14
MBA also ... what data supports the claim that MBA programs attract sociopaths? live love laugh Apr 2021 #18
Police training? How the hell can they call that training? It just plain old stupidity! Jim__ Apr 2021 #4
Saw this guy 15 years ago... jcgoldie Apr 2021 #5
Right Wing reaction in 5...4...3... Caliman73 Apr 2021 #6
If the only way you can have good sex is by killing someone first, Aristus Apr 2021 #7
Way back in the day. Marcuse Apr 2021 #15
And, why is a public staff training seminar being held in a church? obamanut2012 Apr 2021 #8
Churches often rent out their halls to various groups. However... Hekate Apr 2021 #12
Violence and Sex peggysue2 Apr 2021 #13
This stuff just has to keep coming out. We've just seen the tip of the police derangement iceberg. Martin68 Apr 2021 #16
I'm not big on our defenders referring to themselves as "warriors" rather that "soldiers". rickyhall Apr 2021 #17
This guy's story screams 'serial killer' prodigitalson Apr 2021 #19

soothsayer

(38,601 posts)
2. Drag him! Put that lunatic out of business
Tue Apr 27, 2021, 01:48 PM
Apr 2021

Then trace his influence on past (and future, probably) police killings and sue him.

RockRaven

(14,782 posts)
3. Police Departments are like MBA programs -- while they attract more than their share of
Tue Apr 27, 2021, 01:54 PM
Apr 2021

sociopaths to begin with, their morally depraved training ensures that they are all sociopathic in the end...

ProfessorGAC

(64,413 posts)
11. I Know About 30
Tue Apr 27, 2021, 03:20 PM
Apr 2021

Half are dems, the other half Rs.
But, that half is all-in on free market, low taxes, fiscal conservatism, blah, blah, blah.
But, even though they're completely wrong about the economics, none are sociopaths.
Zero out of 31 (counting me).
This goes way beyond broad brush accusation.

Lonestarblue

(9,874 posts)
14. Another MBA here.
Tue Apr 27, 2021, 04:13 PM
Apr 2021

I see nothing similar to police training. A huge part of our police problem is the militarization and the inclusion of so many ex-military as police. It’s my opinion that being ex-military should preclude becoming a police officer. The two groups have two very different purposes, but the police have now adopted the military mindset that everyone you encounter who is not one of you is an enemy and you shoot to kill. Police should receive no military training because a part of that training is to desensitize people to killing.

jcgoldie

(11,582 posts)
5. Saw this guy 15 years ago...
Tue Apr 27, 2021, 01:57 PM
Apr 2021

At a teacher seminar about what to do to prepare for mass shootings. His big thesis at the time as I recall was that mass shootings are happening so often because young people are more violent due to violent interactive video games.

Caliman73

(11,690 posts)
6. Right Wing reaction in 5...4...3...
Tue Apr 27, 2021, 01:58 PM
Apr 2021

"There go the liberals, cancelling yet another person...."

"You liberals just want police to die..."

"Why do liberals hate police?"

Police have a difficult job and sometimes (should be very rare) they are in situation where they are in mortal danger and may have to use lethal force to end a threat and protect themselves and their co-workers.

That should be difficult. It should be an excruciating decision that comes at the end of exhausting all other options (though obviously there are times when it is a matter of split seconds).

It should also hurt. Taking another human life is not natural or normal. Not saying that they should carry guilt or shame with them all their lives. Some killing is justified. If someone was threatening my wife or children with harm, I would do my best to end that threat, even if it meant killing the attacker. I would imagine that I would feel the trauma, but hope that a sense of justification and my obligation as a husband and father would allow me to heal from the situation. Same with police. If there were no other options, then police should be able to and allowed to heal without carrying judgement.

The problem is when you shoot an unarmed person at a traffic stop because you escalated the situation. Or you show up, don't even get out of your car, and shoot a 12 year old playing in a playground.

This jackass has been trying to train police to overcome their humanity and to see killing as good, and as part of their job. Their job is to enforce the laws. Sometimes that means apprehending dangerous people. Sometimes it means intervening in a situation where shots are fired, or someone is stabbing people, or other situation where their is a threat to life. However, police aren't "warriors". They are public servants. This mentality needs to stop, and if it means putting assholes like this out of business, then so be it.

Aristus

(66,075 posts)
7. If the only way you can have good sex is by killing someone first,
Tue Apr 27, 2021, 02:02 PM
Apr 2021

then you're a monster, pure and simple.

I always thought good sex resulted from intimacy, a stimulating night on the town, good communication skills, and good foreplay.

But I'm not a cop, so what do I know?

obamanut2012

(25,905 posts)
8. And, why is a public staff training seminar being held in a church?
Tue Apr 27, 2021, 02:13 PM
Apr 2021

Instead of a convention center, city hall, the PD, etc.

Hekate

(90,189 posts)
12. Churches often rent out their halls to various groups. However...
Tue Apr 27, 2021, 03:27 PM
Apr 2021

...if my experience is any indication, events are vetted to make sure they are more or less in line with the overall ethos of the church. *

It is possible that the title of the program sounded benign enough that the entirety of the program was not comprehended.


* During the years I was on the County Affirmative Action Commission we strove to meet at the geographical midpoint whenever possible. One of our meeting places was a Methodist church, and the other was a Fire station.


rickyhall

(4,889 posts)
17. I'm not big on our defenders referring to themselves as "warriors" rather that "soldiers".
Tue Apr 27, 2021, 04:33 PM
Apr 2021

Unless we want to change our Department of Defense back to Department of War.

prodigitalson

(2,293 posts)
19. This guy's story screams 'serial killer'
Wed Apr 28, 2021, 12:09 AM
Apr 2021

I have no doubt this guy has unlawfully killed under color of law, domestic or international and even combat rules of engagement.

But what has come out of this guy's pie hole suggests a necrophiliac/murderer at worst and at best someone who kills to get an erection.

Someone needs to look up this guy's butt with a flashlight.

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