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BlueLucy

(1,609 posts)
Fri Apr 30, 2021, 07:08 PM Apr 2021

Antifa cell threatens life of Mayor of PDX

Antifa Anarchists have posted a Video to Twitter via the @Knotathreat account threatening the life of Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler & continued destruction. Stating “Ted, we are asking for the last time that you resign. If you ignore this message outright the destruction to your precious way of life is going to escalate. Blood is already on your hands, Ted. But next time, it may just be your own.





https://www.koin.com/news/portland/fbi-ppb-investigating-video-threatening-mayor-wheeler/

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Antifa cell threatens life of Mayor of PDX (Original Post) BlueLucy Apr 2021 OP
Antifa? soothsayer Apr 2021 #1
from the article: Beaverhausen Apr 2021 #7
I know, it just makes me laugh because... doesn't really exist except in the minds of right wingers soothsayer Apr 2021 #9
They call themselves that. BlueLucy Apr 2021 #17
So what? Act_of_Reparation May 2021 #58
Why do I smell B.S here? (not you BlueLucy, the article itself) n/t Pobeka Apr 2021 #2
Because it stinks. lagomorph777 May 2021 #50
Proud Boy Provocateures Ex Lurker Apr 2021 #3
I wouldn't take the bet because I wouldn't be at all surprised you're right chia Apr 2021 #8
Where are you getting what they said? Eko Apr 2021 #4
I thought I just heard the other day there "is no" ANTIFA... WarGamer Apr 2021 #5
Trumpers posing as Antifa. Kingofalldems Apr 2021 #33
Does this "small collective from within the anarchist and anti-facist community" give its name? chia Apr 2021 #6
Antifa? Deuxcents Apr 2021 #10
Aren't all TV stations not owned by Sinclair rivials of Sinclair? Jose Garcia May 2021 #43
Ah yes, Antifa cells. johnp3907 Apr 2021 #11
Anarchists are NOT Antifa. They are antigovernment chaos addicts. blm Apr 2021 #12
Dead wrong. Triloon Apr 2021 #15
Huh? There are no right-wing anarchists? PAMod Apr 2021 #16
Anarchism is a left-wing phenomenon, there are people who call themselves.... Humanist_Activist Apr 2021 #18
"Lord of the Flies" devolves into anarchy PAMod May 2021 #47
Uhm, no, no relation... Humanist_Activist May 2021 #48
Got it, thanks. I thought we were talking about actual anarchy. PAMod May 2021 #49
That's right. No right-wing anarchists. Triloon Apr 2021 #21
I've run into RW anarchists. Boogaloos and antigovernment blm Apr 2021 #26
have you? Triloon Apr 2021 #39
Definitely anti-government. blm Apr 2021 #40
Hahahahaha! lagomorph777 May 2021 #51
Hahahahaha! Triloon May 2021 #52
He's been here since 2010 - you joined in 2015... Fix The Stupid May 2021 #56
I joined in 2001, but lost my ID around 2013. lagomorph777 May 2021 #57
Yeah..sure. "Enjoy your stay"... newb. n/t Fix The Stupid May 2021 #59
Yes, it is always a good idea PatSeg May 2021 #61
Sovereign citizens are right wing anarchists jmowreader May 2021 #64
I lulz'd KG Apr 2021 #13
To those who dismiss this: Portland does have a community of Blac Bloc anarchists Fiendish Thingy Apr 2021 #14
Blac Bloc tactics call for property destruction, not death threats or even necessarily threats of... Humanist_Activist Apr 2021 #22
Maybe the local gov needs to talk to these people and work something out SunImp May 2021 #41
Anarchist? Anti fascist? Ka-Dinh Oy Apr 2021 #19
Uhm, Anarchists are, by definition, anti-authoritarian, and hence most would be, by default... Humanist_Activist Apr 2021 #20
that is assuming this is anything but a ruse. CrackityJones75 Apr 2021 #24
They call themselves that. BlueLucy Apr 2021 #23
Uhm, hyperbolic much? In addition, who is they? On top of that... Humanist_Activist Apr 2021 #25
Not at all hyperbolic BlueLucy Apr 2021 #27
Uhm, what? Humanist_Activist Apr 2021 #28
It's all a factor. BlueLucy Apr 2021 #29
Do you even read the articles you post? Humanist_Activist Apr 2021 #32
Yes. BlueLucy Apr 2021 #34
It breaks my heart to see this happening in PDX BlueLucy Apr 2021 #30
Uhm, that shows that Portland is matching trends of the 30 largest metro areas... Humanist_Activist Apr 2021 #31
Yes. BlueLucy Apr 2021 #35
As far as I know, its still one of the safest cities in the country... Humanist_Activist Apr 2021 #36
I did when I was in Portland BlueLucy Apr 2021 #37
The problem is that its economic instability, both local and national, that is what is leading to... Humanist_Activist Apr 2021 #38
Bullshit. n/t Coventina May 2021 #42
BS. Smells like R-Fing. Baked Potato May 2021 #44
I seriously doubt this story LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #45
K&R DashOneBravo May 2021 #46
It could be ONE dude. maxsolomon May 2021 #53
I left the city I have loved for a multitude of reasons. nt BlueLucy May 2021 #54
You said that. maxsolomon May 2021 #55
I think that use to be true. BlueLucy May 2021 #60
I just looked at up to date crime statistics Elessar Zappa May 2021 #62
Can you link that? BlueLucy May 2021 #63

Beaverhausen

(24,467 posts)
7. from the article:
Fri Apr 30, 2021, 07:25 PM
Apr 2021

KOIN 6 has viewed the video, where the mayor’s address was also revealed. A voice narrating the video said they are from “a small collective from within the anarchist and anti-facist community.”

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
58. So what?
Wed May 5, 2021, 10:58 AM
May 2021

Antifa is an ideology, not an organization. Calling this an "antifa cell" is like calling your aunt Carol's Wednesday prayer group a "Christian cell".

Deuxcents

(15,785 posts)
10. Antifa?
Fri Apr 30, 2021, 07:41 PM
Apr 2021

Really? KOIN is owned by Nexstar Media group from Irving , Texas. It’s rival is Sinclair Broadcasting. Just saying.. “Antifa” has turned into a boogeyman that does not exists..except in rw circles. “Antifa Anarchists” ? My Dear poster.. nope

blm

(112,920 posts)
12. Anarchists are NOT Antifa. They are antigovernment chaos addicts.
Fri Apr 30, 2021, 07:57 PM
Apr 2021

More aligned with RightWing groups like Boogaloos and sovereigns than with antifascists.

Triloon

(506 posts)
15. Dead wrong.
Fri Apr 30, 2021, 08:29 PM
Apr 2021

There are as many types of Anarchists as there are types of Democrats. None of them are right-wingers. Most are devoted to peaceful lives, but take no shit from authoritarians, hence all will be anti-fascist. There might even be some around here ...

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
18. Anarchism is a left-wing phenomenon, there are people who call themselves....
Fri Apr 30, 2021, 08:43 PM
Apr 2021

Anarcho-Capitalists, but they are a little nutty, an offshoot of Libertarianism, usually support police and are generally authoritarian, in support of Capital.

PAMod

(904 posts)
47. "Lord of the Flies" devolves into anarchy
Sun May 2, 2021, 06:23 PM
May 2021

Would you categorize any of it as left wing?

Perhaps people who aspire to anarchy are left wing.

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
48. Uhm, no, no relation...
Sun May 2, 2021, 09:42 PM
May 2021

where was the mutualism, or getting rid of unjustified hierarchies in Lord of the Flies? Do you even know what I'm talking about? Why not start here. Anarchism isn't synonymous with anarchy as defined by the mainstream, usually as a stand in for chaos.

PAMod

(904 posts)
49. Got it, thanks. I thought we were talking about actual anarchy.
Tue May 4, 2021, 11:19 AM
May 2021

Anarchy, with a capital ‘A’ is a whole other thing.

Triloon

(506 posts)
21. That's right. No right-wing anarchists.
Fri Apr 30, 2021, 08:53 PM
Apr 2021

There are plenty of righty nihilists and vandals, but no actual anarchists. This is because the Right depends on authoritarianism and rigid hierarchies for it's very breath. Those things, and inequality, are the essence of what anarchists have always opposed.
Really, chaos is not the same as anarchy. Only in comic books.

Triloon

(506 posts)
39. have you?
Fri Apr 30, 2021, 11:31 PM
Apr 2021

I think I'd call them something else. But if that's what they call themselves, wotcha gonna do. Anarchists have been the false target of a lot of police operations going way back to Haymarket, May Day. Sacco & Vanzetti, etc. I think they've taken enough hits for things they never did. Some are bitterly anti-govt, that's true, but you've met Boogers who claim to be anarchist? Maybe they likewise use a horizontal organisation or something, but Race War is not an anarchist ideal or tactic.
This alleged group (could be just one dude?) that threatened the Portland mayor just exposed themselves for a federal conspiracy charge. Most real anarchists are a little more savvy than that, but the RWrs seem go for that kind of thing.

blm

(112,920 posts)
40. Definitely anti-government.
Fri Apr 30, 2021, 11:46 PM
Apr 2021

Claimed to vote Libertarian, though. Some refused to vote, at all.

PatSeg

(46,804 posts)
61. Yes, it is always a good idea
Wed May 5, 2021, 11:18 AM
May 2021

to check a poster's profile before accusing them of being a newbie. Not everyone posts a lot.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,369 posts)
14. To those who dismiss this: Portland does have a community of Blac Bloc anarchists
Fri Apr 30, 2021, 08:24 PM
Apr 2021

And their primary motivation seems to be a nihilistic desire to cause chaos and destruction out of hatred for all police and government.

They are the ones who cause trouble at night after peaceful protestors go home. They are the ones who caused the Moms (forget the name of the group) to wear yellow shirts to stand out from the disruptors.

They are the ones who fight with the Proud Boys- without them, it would be easier for all to see the PB’s for the thugs they are.

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
22. Blac Bloc tactics call for property destruction, not death threats or even necessarily threats of...
Fri Apr 30, 2021, 08:54 PM
Apr 2021

violence at all. This doesn't seem to match the MO of such groups.

Ka-Dinh Oy

(11,686 posts)
19. Anarchist? Anti fascist?
Fri Apr 30, 2021, 08:44 PM
Apr 2021

How in the hell do they use them in the same sentence meaning something together? Their goals and beliefs are very different. The people who are claiming to be any of those working together are something completely different.

They need to look up the meanings of each in the dictionary.

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
20. Uhm, Anarchists are, by definition, anti-authoritarian, and hence most would be, by default...
Fri Apr 30, 2021, 08:48 PM
Apr 2021

anti-fascist.

Don't confuse Anarchism as a political movement and position with roots tracing back over 100 years with layman's term of using Anarchy as a synonym for chaos.

ON EDIT: Not saying that the people who posted this threat were either, most likely false flag or some fascists trying to discredit antifa groups.

 

CrackityJones75

(2,403 posts)
24. that is assuming this is anything but a ruse.
Fri Apr 30, 2021, 09:01 PM
Apr 2021

This smells like people trying to drum up a movement against antifa and anarchism in general.

BlueLucy

(1,609 posts)
23. They call themselves that.
Fri Apr 30, 2021, 09:00 PM
Apr 2021

I don't know why. I lived in Portland for 35 years, recently moved. They're ruining the city. Businesses are leaving, restaurants no longer want to be there.. It's like Detroit in the 90's in a majority white city.

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
25. Uhm, hyperbolic much? In addition, who is they? On top of that...
Fri Apr 30, 2021, 09:12 PM
Apr 2021

how is it in anyway like Detroit in the 1990s?

Do you even know why Detroit declined starting earlier than the 1990s, by the way?

BlueLucy

(1,609 posts)
27. Not at all hyperbolic
Fri Apr 30, 2021, 09:23 PM
Apr 2021

PDX is my city that I love. Portland is known for their good food and drinks. Like Detroit and the auto industry..restaurants and baristas are leaving and not coming back. Also bullets flying in the streets everyday. lots of crime. It's a damn shame.

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
28. Uhm, what?
Fri Apr 30, 2021, 09:37 PM
Apr 2021

Violent Gun Crime is trending upward nationwide, mostly related to spikes in unemployment and the pandemic destroying local economies, that also leads to businesses closing and or leaving many areas. But sure its anarchists.

https://www.wweek.com/news/courts/2021/03/10/portland-is-averaging-two-homicides-a-week-in-2021/

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
32. Do you even read the articles you post?
Fri Apr 30, 2021, 09:52 PM
Apr 2021
https://www.oregonlive.com/business/2021/01/majority-of-downtown-portland-merchants-say-city-core-is-unsafe.html

While public safety was a big concern, though, 41% of the merchants surveyed said the coronavirus pandemic was the biggest issue impacting their businesses. That’s twice as many as cited homelessness, crime and protests combined.
 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
31. Uhm, that shows that Portland is matching trends of the 30 largest metro areas...
Fri Apr 30, 2021, 09:51 PM
Apr 2021

sad, yes, but most large metros have been stagnant or declining over the years.

BlueLucy

(1,609 posts)
35. Yes.
Fri Apr 30, 2021, 09:55 PM
Apr 2021

Portland was always one of the safest cities before but now it caught up to the others, I guess. I am not use to it. I had to take my family out of there.

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
36. As far as I know, its still one of the safest cities in the country...
Fri Apr 30, 2021, 09:57 PM
Apr 2021

I live in one of the most dangerous, St. Louis, but again, that's relative to what neighborhoods you actually live in. I don't hear gun shots every night, did you?

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
38. The problem is that its economic instability, both local and national, that is what is leading to...
Fri Apr 30, 2021, 10:16 PM
Apr 2021

uptick in crime in general, and the easy availability of firearms is, combined with this upswing in crime, is leading to more shootings and murders.

Up until that point, crime has been trending downward nationwide for years, there's probably a floor with shootings, there are way to many guns in this country, but economic stability leads to less crime. Poverty reduction and reducing income and racial disparities would reduce political instability and most property crime. Reducing the circulation of guns would reduce crimes involving them. You seem to be focusing on the wrong things.

maxsolomon

(32,992 posts)
53. It could be ONE dude.
Tue May 4, 2021, 06:35 PM
May 2021

Black Bloc or Anarchist or Antifa or some other Leftist bent, or an Agent Provocateur.

No way to know until you find the dude who posted on Twitter.

It's not worth pulling your family out of Portland over.

maxsolomon

(32,992 posts)
55. You said that.
Wed May 5, 2021, 10:25 AM
May 2021

You also said your mom hears gunfire almost every night, so I'll surmise she lives in NE Portland.

Portland is still thriving. It's a cultural magnet for young people all over America who can't stand their drab, humid, boring Conservative towns. It has been for decades, and it's driving growth.

A couple smashed windows from Black Bloc aren't going to derail the train.

Elessar Zappa

(13,650 posts)
62. I just looked at up to date crime statistics
Wed May 5, 2021, 11:24 AM
May 2021

and Portland isn't near as bad as many other cities. I'd call it downright safe in fact. You're anecdotal experience is meaningless.

BlueLucy

(1,609 posts)
63. Can you link that?
Wed May 5, 2021, 11:40 AM
May 2021

I would like to know if it's current. I'm a democrat. I've never voted republican. I was part of making Portland a great city. I played music at Dante's and Ash st. You don't have to be hostile to me. I'm heart broken over what Portland is becoming.

https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/or/portland/crime

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