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Antifa Anarchists have posted a Video to Twitter via the @Knotathreat account threatening the life of Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler & continued destruction. Stating Ted, we are asking for the last time that you resign. If you ignore this message outright the destruction to your precious way of life is going to escalate. Blood is already on your hands, Ted. But next time, it may just be your own.
https://www.koin.com/news/portland/fbi-ppb-investigating-video-threatening-mayor-wheeler/
soothsayer
(38,601 posts)Beaverhausen
(24,467 posts)KOIN 6 has viewed the video, where the mayors address was also revealed. A voice narrating the video said they are from a small collective from within the anarchist and anti-facist community.
soothsayer
(38,601 posts)BlueLucy
(1,609 posts)Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Antifa is an ideology, not an organization. Calling this an "antifa cell" is like calling your aunt Carol's Wednesday prayer group a "Christian cell".
Pobeka
(4,999 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)RW bullshit
Ex Lurker
(3,808 posts)I'll bet you.
chia
(2,235 posts)Eko
(7,170 posts)Its not in your link.
WarGamer
(12,106 posts)Hmmmm...
Kingofalldems
(38,361 posts)Just like they claimed Jan. 6 was Antifa. Remember that?
Hmmmmm.
chia
(2,235 posts)Deuxcents
(15,785 posts)Really? KOIN is owned by Nexstar Media group from Irving , Texas. Its rival is Sinclair Broadcasting. Just saying.. Antifa has turned into a boogeyman that does not exists..except in rw circles. Antifa Anarchists ? My Dear poster.. nope
Jose Garcia
(2,552 posts)johnp3907
(3,723 posts)Those totally real things that totally exist for real.
blm
(112,920 posts)More aligned with RightWing groups like Boogaloos and sovereigns than with antifascists.
There are as many types of Anarchists as there are types of Democrats. None of them are right-wingers. Most are devoted to peaceful lives, but take no shit from authoritarians, hence all will be anti-fascist. There might even be some around here ...
PAMod
(904 posts)Bullshit. Perhaps thats not what you meant to say.
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)Anarcho-Capitalists, but they are a little nutty, an offshoot of Libertarianism, usually support police and are generally authoritarian, in support of Capital.
PAMod
(904 posts)Would you categorize any of it as left wing?
Perhaps people who aspire to anarchy are left wing.
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)where was the mutualism, or getting rid of unjustified hierarchies in Lord of the Flies? Do you even know what I'm talking about? Why not start here. Anarchism isn't synonymous with anarchy as defined by the mainstream, usually as a stand in for chaos.
PAMod
(904 posts)Anarchy, with a capital A is a whole other thing.
Triloon
(506 posts)There are plenty of righty nihilists and vandals, but no actual anarchists. This is because the Right depends on authoritarianism and rigid hierarchies for it's very breath. Those things, and inequality, are the essence of what anarchists have always opposed.
Really, chaos is not the same as anarchy. Only in comic books.
blm
(112,920 posts)groups include anarchists.
I think I'd call them something else. But if that's what they call themselves, wotcha gonna do. Anarchists have been the false target of a lot of police operations going way back to Haymarket, May Day. Sacco & Vanzetti, etc. I think they've taken enough hits for things they never did. Some are bitterly anti-govt, that's true, but you've met Boogers who claim to be anarchist? Maybe they likewise use a horizontal organisation or something, but Race War is not an anarchist ideal or tactic.
This alleged group (could be just one dude?) that threatened the Portland mayor just exposed themselves for a federal conspiracy charge. Most real anarchists are a little more savvy than that, but the RWrs seem go for that kind of thing.
blm
(112,920 posts)Claimed to vote Libertarian, though. Some refused to vote, at all.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Enjoy your short stay.
Triloon
(506 posts)Enjoy your short perspective.
Fix The Stupid
(947 posts)Gonna apologize?
I thought not... newb.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)And I still disagree with the poster.
Fix The Stupid
(947 posts)PatSeg
(46,804 posts)to check a poster's profile before accusing them of being a newbie. Not everyone posts a lot.
jmowreader
(50,453 posts)KG
(28,749 posts)as president of the FLA cell, I can assure you it wasn't antifa.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,369 posts)And their primary motivation seems to be a nihilistic desire to cause chaos and destruction out of hatred for all police and government.
They are the ones who cause trouble at night after peaceful protestors go home. They are the ones who caused the Moms (forget the name of the group) to wear yellow shirts to stand out from the disruptors.
They are the ones who fight with the Proud Boys- without them, it would be easier for all to see the PBs for the thugs they are.
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)violence at all. This doesn't seem to match the MO of such groups.
SunImp
(2,221 posts)Ka-Dinh Oy
(11,686 posts)How in the hell do they use them in the same sentence meaning something together? Their goals and beliefs are very different. The people who are claiming to be any of those working together are something completely different.
They need to look up the meanings of each in the dictionary.
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)anti-fascist.
Don't confuse Anarchism as a political movement and position with roots tracing back over 100 years with layman's term of using Anarchy as a synonym for chaos.
ON EDIT: Not saying that the people who posted this threat were either, most likely false flag or some fascists trying to discredit antifa groups.
CrackityJones75
(2,403 posts)This smells like people trying to drum up a movement against antifa and anarchism in general.
BlueLucy
(1,609 posts)I don't know why. I lived in Portland for 35 years, recently moved. They're ruining the city. Businesses are leaving, restaurants no longer want to be there.. It's like Detroit in the 90's in a majority white city.
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)how is it in anyway like Detroit in the 1990s?
Do you even know why Detroit declined starting earlier than the 1990s, by the way?
BlueLucy
(1,609 posts)PDX is my city that I love. Portland is known for their good food and drinks. Like Detroit and the auto industry..restaurants and baristas are leaving and not coming back. Also bullets flying in the streets everyday. lots of crime. It's a damn shame.
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)Violent Gun Crime is trending upward nationwide, mostly related to spikes in unemployment and the pandemic destroying local economies, that also leads to businesses closing and or leaving many areas. But sure its anarchists.
https://www.wweek.com/news/courts/2021/03/10/portland-is-averaging-two-homicides-a-week-in-2021/
BlueLucy
(1,609 posts)Anarchist, Gangs, gun violence...
https://www.oregonlive.com/business/2021/01/majority-of-downtown-portland-merchants-say-city-core-is-unsafe.html
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)BlueLucy
(1,609 posts)I said it was all a factor.
BlueLucy
(1,609 posts)Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)sad, yes, but most large metros have been stagnant or declining over the years.
BlueLucy
(1,609 posts)Portland was always one of the safest cities before but now it caught up to the others, I guess. I am not use to it. I had to take my family out of there.
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)I live in one of the most dangerous, St. Louis, but again, that's relative to what neighborhoods you actually live in. I don't hear gun shots every night, did you?
BlueLucy
(1,609 posts)and my mom is still there and hears them every night.
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)uptick in crime in general, and the easy availability of firearms is, combined with this upswing in crime, is leading to more shootings and murders.
Up until that point, crime has been trending downward nationwide for years, there's probably a floor with shootings, there are way to many guns in this country, but economic stability leads to less crime. Poverty reduction and reducing income and racial disparities would reduce political instability and most property crime. Reducing the circulation of guns would reduce crimes involving them. You seem to be focusing on the wrong things.
Coventina
(26,874 posts)Baked Potato
(7,733 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(144,005 posts)DashOneBravo
(2,679 posts)maxsolomon
(32,992 posts)Black Bloc or Anarchist or Antifa or some other Leftist bent, or an Agent Provocateur.
No way to know until you find the dude who posted on Twitter.
It's not worth pulling your family out of Portland over.
BlueLucy
(1,609 posts)maxsolomon
(32,992 posts)You also said your mom hears gunfire almost every night, so I'll surmise she lives in NE Portland.
Portland is still thriving. It's a cultural magnet for young people all over America who can't stand their drab, humid, boring Conservative towns. It has been for decades, and it's driving growth.
A couple smashed windows from Black Bloc aren't going to derail the train.
BlueLucy
(1,609 posts)What you are talking about is what Portland use to be. It's not that now. If it is growing, it's a a much slower rate than what it use to be.
My mom lives in East Portland.
https://www.google.com/search?q=east+portland+gun+violence&sxsrf=ALeKk038kCZeulM4-kSIkCwDJYWVO-B5hw%3A1620227072292&ei=ALSSYJKZEcfV-gS99oLYCQ&oq=east+portland+gun+violence&gs_lcp=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&sclient=gws-wiz&ved=0ahUKEwiSmeWY6LLwAhXHqp4KHT27AJsQ4dUDCA4&uact=5
Elessar Zappa
(13,650 posts)and Portland isn't near as bad as many other cities. I'd call it downright safe in fact. You're anecdotal experience is meaningless.
BlueLucy
(1,609 posts)I would like to know if it's current. I'm a democrat. I've never voted republican. I was part of making Portland a great city. I played music at Dante's and Ash st. You don't have to be hostile to me. I'm heart broken over what Portland is becoming.
https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/or/portland/crime