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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMatt Gaetz Tells Fans to Carry Out 'Armed Rebellion' Against Government if Neccessary
I suppose being dumb as a box of rocks doesn't matter if no one does anything about it.
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Matt Gaetz Tells Fans to Carry Out Armed Rebellion Against Government if Neccessary
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Jamie Ross, News Correspondent
Published May. 28, 2021 5:56AM ET
malaise
(267,823 posts)Deplorable style.
PatSeg
(46,804 posts)and not lose any voters" and the objective would be, how outrageous and criminal can you be and not go to jail? They could get Trump to produce it.
With Gaetz, I wonder if he figures he has nothing left to lose, so he's going to go full-blown loony, like Trump, who thus far has not paid any consequences. Perhaps the need for constant attention drowns out any reason or self-preservation?
malaise
(267,823 posts)but he too faced consequences
PatSeg
(46,804 posts)it has just taken a lot longer than most, but eventually everyone pays the consequences. I like to think that maybe the longer one goes without being held accountable, the bigger the price one has to pay. I think the lawsuits against Trump could go on until the day he dies, maybe even after his death. He has left his prints all over the world. Few people have made as many enemies as Trump. He seems to relish it - "Who can I make hate me today?" Truly a bizarre creature.
malaise
(267,823 posts)PatSeg
(46,804 posts)I think the reason we still talk about him so much is because it is hard to believe it all was real, not some outrageous satirical movie. Even the characters in Dr. Strangelove were more believable than Donald Trump. If someone had written this script, it would never have been produced because the characters are too ridiculous and sadly, NEVER sympathetic. Historians will be analyzing all this for generations.
Fullduplexxx
(7,818 posts)I think his call for armed rebellion is illegal too.
PatSeg
(46,804 posts)He is in deep shit already and he keeps on digging the hole deeper. Its gotten so bad that the only member of congress who will hang out with him is Greene! I think he's close to hitting bottom.
keithsw
(436 posts)I'm sure his rich daddy bought it for him. He also allegedly got him out of a half dozen DUI'S
PatSeg
(46,804 posts)got elected and reelected where his questionable history was not a secret. Like Trump, he was never held accountable, so he kept doing the same stuff over and over again. I'm sure all the perks and benefits of being a United States Congressman really went to his head. I'll bet the fool honestly believes he could be President some day. After all if an idiot like Trump can get elected, then maybe anyone can.
be arrested right now for calling for a terrorist attack on our government.
PatSeg
(46,804 posts)At least we know he is being watched and I am quite sure that nothing he does or says goes unnoticed. The Justice Department doesn't tend to advertise its investigations. They just quietly and methodically accrue evidence. Of course being Gaetz went to law school, you'd think the fool would know that and try to keep a low profile. It is not like there will be any pardons in his future.
sure you are correct. Everything he say and does is being watched. The fact he went to law school, well I have to wonder how much he really learned.
PatSeg
(46,804 posts)He just puts it all out there as if he is daring them to prosecute him.
He probably cheated a lot in school.
was going to say maybe he paid people to take his tests. Glad I am not the only one who thinks he cheated in some way.
PatSeg
(46,804 posts)paying other people to take his tests. Sounds like someone else we know.
2naSalit
(86,061 posts)Wonder how long that will take.
OldBaldy1701E
(4,968 posts)C_U_L8R
(44,897 posts)We're going to need more judges and courtrooms.
Kid Berwyn
(14,651 posts)Were gonna need a bigger microphone.
HAB911
(8,811 posts)which allows fighting FOR the government, not against the government
what he advocates is sedition
he should be in jail
Haggard Celine
(16,820 posts)The FBI ought to be knocking on his door this morning.
TheRickles
(2,000 posts)How much more blatant must a threat be, before some government agency intervenes? I assume, like HC, it'd be the FBI. Perhaps there's another mechanism, but either way, there have to be consequences for making threats like these.
Haggard Celine
(16,820 posts)I don't know if they're afraid of throwing a MAGAT congressman in jail or what. He's obviously trying to stir up another insurrection. Anyone who says what he said should go to jail and be held there until his trial. This shit has gone on long enough, and it shouldn't be tolerated anymore.
Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)might glom onto that idea in a heartbeat and take Gaetz's 2nd amendment speech to heart. For instance, another Kyle Rittenhouse type who thinks he's going to protect the world, or whatever reason he used for killing 2 and injuring 1. They don't need much encouragement.
I hope we learn that the FBI DID pay a visit to Mr. Loverboy Gaetz.
I noticed in some comments to another Gaetz post a couple photos of Gaetz apparently speaking to a group of high school students and taking a selfie with the female students? Sorry, but that's scary.
hack89
(39,171 posts)The 2A was lifted from the English Bill of Rights from the 1690's along with a good portion of our Bill of Rights. When the colonists said they were fighting for their rights as Englishmen, that is what they are referring to.
The right to bear arms in the English Bill of Rights is directly related to preventing government tyranny - the Catholic king James had disarmed Protestants as he tried to make England a Catholic country. This resulted in the Glorious Revolution of 1688 which put Protestant King William on the throne at the request of Parliament. As a condition for taking the throne, William had to sign a Bill of Rights which closely mirrors our current Bill of Rights. That Bill of Rights recognized the right to bear arms.
So granted that the US Bill of Rights was in part to guarantee a militia, it also supported the English notion that subjects had the right to arms as a bulwark against tyranny.
rgbecker
(4,806 posts)The restrictions are on the Crown but give the Parliament power to regulate the use of arms. You'll find it hard to find any backing of the idea that the US 2A gives people the right to violently overthrow the government...other than talking points from the NRA. I note also that the DU rules prohibit discussion of the right to bear arms is not allowed in General Discussion, but discussion of Gaetz's call for insurrection clearly is not.
hack89
(39,171 posts)only that the founders viewed government attempts to disarm the population a symptom of tyranny. One that reflected the views of their fore bearers in England.
The 2A in America protects an individual right - it is what the purpose of the BOR is. It was specifically added to the Constitution as limits on government power. Just like the English BOR did.
Gaetz's interpretation of the 2A is wrong. But so is yours.
rgbecker
(4,806 posts)It was Gaetz who said Its not about hunting, its not about recreation, its not about sports, he said. The Second Amendment is about maintaining, within the citizenry, the ability to maintain an armed rebellion against the government if that becomes necessary."
Are you suggesting his statement about the 2A is correct...namely that the 2A is to make sure arms can support the people so they can overturn the government if necessary? That's not my interpretation. What do you think is wrong about my interpretation, assuming you can even state what my interpretation is? I 'm reading you agree with the idea that the arms are to be available for use in rebellion against the government if that becomes necessary.
hack89
(39,171 posts)You are wrong in that the purpose of the 2A was so that there would be a militia to fight wars.
Never in American history has the ownership of guns been limited to militia service. Never. It has always been an individual right independent of militia service.
Captain Zero
(6,714 posts)How times have changed.
Caliman73
(11,694 posts)You will rarely see a right wing politician jailed because as extreme as they may be, they still support the power structure AKA White male authority and Supremacy.
Left wingers want to upend the system so they are constant targets. Same reason why it is so easy to paint Antifa as violent terrorists, while people turn themselves into pretzels to humanize the Proud Boys and other right wing extremists.
Times are pretty much the same as when the Klan and White Citizens Councils were turned a blind eye to while the FBI sought to destroy the Black Panthers and SNCC.
marble falls
(56,359 posts)Ilsa
(61,675 posts)Jon King
(1,910 posts)His last resort is to try to deflect and say he was not jailed for sex with a minor but instead was taken down and framed by the big, bad, elites while trying to save the country.
world wide wally
(21,719 posts)Evolve Dammit
(16,632 posts)those who took the Congressional oath. That is inciting violence against the U.S.
tulipsandroses
(5,094 posts)Its too bad that his followers are so brainwashed, that they don't see what he's doing. They are the dumb ones. Willing to go to extreme lengths to hold on their guns and hateful rhetoric. They should be insulted that these rich greedy bastards think so little of them. They are willing to keep giving money to assholes like him and some will actually go to prison after they have done harm to others because of this rhetoric. While Gaetz and others will be laughing to the bank. Hopefully there is a jail cell waiting for Gaetz.
The fact that they are making money off this kind of rhetoric is abhorrent.
mn9driver
(4,412 posts)Most of them dont have platforms to spread that message, though. The sooner Gaetz is arrested, the better.
spanone
(135,636 posts)fwvinson
(488 posts)Paladin
(28,204 posts)Although our resident gun enthusiasts backed off the "armed rebellion" muttering considerably, once trump was in office.
JHB
(37,132 posts)And he wasn't muttering it, he was exhorting a crowd toward insurrection.
Paladin
(28,204 posts)monkeyman1
(5,109 posts)friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)MrModerate
(9,753 posts)And a bunch of innocent people killed.
Norbert
(6,030 posts)To him his mess iah can get away with it so why shouldn't he? If he was on the Titanic on that fateful night he would be trying on a frilly dress and looking for a place on a lifeboat.
Pharlo
(1,813 posts)but I hope Pelosi pulls his committee assignments. It would give him that much more time for his legal defense - oops, I mean more time for his family.
Tommymac
(7,263 posts)Simple as that. We are fast becoming the laughing stock of the entire Free World.
Responsible Global Citizens know we elected a responsible President...but they can't get their heads around the fact We are letting the lunatics run the asylum in the Media, the Federal legislature, Courts, and not charging anyone with anything and letting the Rethugs drive the 1/6 Circus narrative.
Just sayin'.
FlyingPiggy
(3,373 posts)pwb
(11,205 posts)Another staged puke side show.
Sinistrous
(4,249 posts)kacekwl
(6,994 posts)after all part of that government. Careful what you wish for Matt.
SledDriver
(2,049 posts)Almost 6 months after the capitol attack and there is still no urgency to investigate or punish the ringleaders, not just the pawns, the ringleaders. And here's Matt Gaetz riling up another mob of pawns to foment another insurrection.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,369 posts)Im guessing Gaetz knows his days of freedom are numbered, and intends to go out in flames, including the mother of all cocaine binges.
dlk
(11,438 posts)This has to stop or America is over.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Why is this allowed? Why is he not being held accountable for attempting to incite violence against the government and innocent civilians?
This is bullshit and I am so frustrated at the fact that psychos like him, MTG, TFG and the rest of them can behave the way they do and never suffer any consequences. That would never happen in a corporate setting, or anywhere else for that matter.
What is it going to take to restore some decency and civility back into our national political conversation? It is so far off the rails right now and all the crazy is coming from one side only.
TheRickles
(2,000 posts)And is that first step a subpoena, an arrest, an FBI search, a police interrogation? The process can't be that complex, yet know one seems to know what to do to keep this treachery from getting even further out of hand. IANAL, but many of you are. Thanks in advance for some guidance here.
BobTheSubgenius
(11,535 posts)to take up arms to help him out of a tight spot is not that difficult. The problem is, I very much doubt that it rises (or sinks) to the level of illegality. That IS what the 2nd Amendment is about, and even such a weirdly inappropriate civics lesson won't bring about criminal charges.
I'm sure he's going to have to be forced out of office the old-fashioned way - an absolutely creepy sex scandal.
gulliver
(13,142 posts)The Republican Party has become a haven for criminals. Any criminal can now simply join the Republican Party and enjoy protection from justice.
hunter
(38,264 posts)The spirits of Bonnie and Clyde will respect that.
Cha
(295,926 posts)the others.. dead or in jail.
gaetz should be in jail with the TP for inciting Domestic Terrorism
Mr.Bill
(24,104 posts)he would scream like a nine year old girl and pee all over himself.
colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)That would seem to be to be pretty much inciting a riot. The guy has you know what for Brains.
Good luck in Prison Matt.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,044 posts)Vinca
(50,170 posts)That's what I thought.
Maybe this:
Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
18 U.S. Code § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection
spanone
(135,636 posts)CrispyQ
(36,231 posts)Warpy
(110,913 posts)Those popguns aren't going to do squat against cruise missile, bombers, tanks, and artillery. There won't be enough of your kind of drooling ragtag "rebel army" to bury.
They only make you powerful against someone who isn't prepared to fight back, like school children or grocery shoppers.
LTG
(215 posts)Its one thing to have collateral deaths of innocent civilians in Afghanistan, Iraq or the West Bank. Its an entirely different thing for the U.S. to create them on home soil.
When an insurgency can be hidden within the populated areas Tanks, cruise missiles, bombers and artillery are almost impossible to use. There are enough supporters to give them shelter and cover if hostilities broke out.
Even drones would end up killing women and children. Hard to watch when they are friends and neighbors. How many members of the military will refuse to follow these orders.
Use of any heavy stand-off weaponry would create more insurgents. We cant even in areas we supposedly control, in foreign zones, without extensive damage to large areas of destruction of buildings and infrastructure. Even tanks are very destructive in counter insurgency warfare.
If you can catch them away from other people then some of those weapons could be useful. The problem is there are ways to get around thermal and other sensors. That info is fairly accessible online and hundred of thousands have been taught to do so in the military. Even training manuals for asymmetrical, insurgency warfare are available online, as are most all military training manuals.
You can learn to build bombs and improvised munitions, boobytraps, camouflage and to escape and evade. Not all of them will be overweight keyboard warriors. A lot of them will be fit and trained, prior service.
Numbers are much less important in this kind of warfare, as we have learned in numerous places over the years. Small cells of terrorist can create large amounts of damage.
To be successful the government will have to enforce strict curfews, confiscation of guns and ammo, curtail some freedom of the press, freedom of speech, and of assembly and protest. Warrantless search of homes, as well as arrests and holding of citizens for questioning without charges, at least for a few days. These actions may seem extreme, but could easily become necessary.
I dont know how long the American people would have the stomach and patience put up with restrictions of rights that might never return. Much less to watch the death and destruction on 24/7 news without demanding a negotiated settlement.
Any of these could, and most likely would, create more and more insurgents. What percentage of the tens of millions of Trump supporters should we plan to fight? 1/10th of 1 percent could be 60,000 or more. This would be like no war we have faced, or realistically planned for.
1/6/2021 cant be used as a measure, that bunch of rabble didnt come with real preparations or even weapons. Most people that showed up probably had no true idea of what would happen.
Of course, if it turns out to be a few thousand spread about none of the above would likely be necessary. For how many should we prepare and plan?
(Sorry for once more indulging myself with an overly long post)
Warpy
(110,913 posts)that have been localized to compounds or even towns, women and children regardless. Remember the MOVE people in Philadelphia. Out of 6 adults and 7 children, only one adult and two children survived and two whole city blocks were razed by fire.
The government has bent over backwards to be "fair" to right wingers like Bundy and Koresh, but my guess is that official patience has just about run out after January 6 showed them what the real threat is. If MAGAts start derailing freight trains and otherwise disrupting commerce in the name of revolution to reinstall Puin's Pet Piggy, we will see plenty of asymmetrical warfare.