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RandySF

(57,592 posts)
Wed Jun 30, 2021, 09:57 PM Jun 2021

Judge Denies Britney Spears' Request to Remove Father From Conservatorship

A judge has shot down Britney Spears’ request to have her father removed from her conservatorship.

New court documents that were filed by the Los Angeles Superior Court on Wednesday show that the judge has denied the request by Spears’ attorney, Samuel Ingham III, to remove her father, Jamie Spears, as her sole conservator.

“The conservator’s request to suspend James P. Spears immediately upon the appointment of Bessemer Trust Company of California as sole conservator of estate is denied without prejudice,” the court documents state.

Samuel Ingham III had filed the request to remove Spears’ father back in November 2020, stating that his client was “afraid of her father” and would refuse to perform again, if her father continued to be in charge of her career. At that time, Judge Brenda Penny declined to suspend her father from the conservatorship, though she did not rule out future petitions for his removal or suspension. Also, at that time, the judge appointed financial company Bessemer Trust as a co-conservator.



https://variety.com/2021/music/news/britney-spears-conservatorship-request-denied-remove-father-1235009486/

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Judge Denies Britney Spears' Request to Remove Father From Conservatorship (Original Post) RandySF Jun 2021 OP
Shocking. That poor woman. Doremus Jun 2021 #1
Hey but *at least* Bill Cosby is free to prey on more women! durablend Jun 2021 #2
Yeah, so much for the wisdom of judges dawg day Jun 2021 #6
WTH??? 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 a kennedy Jun 2021 #3
This is really terrifying- dawg day Jun 2021 #4
He gives himself double the amount he gives her monthly. onecaliberal Jun 2021 #10
I think she is more unwell than the public knows. SoonerPride Jun 2021 #5
It is possible. I researched the judge and she seems to have nothing to suggest questionable hlthe2b Jun 2021 #9
Thanks for that. I don't care about her, but the precedent it sets for other judges and women lindysalsagal Jul 2021 #33
Really, so what. dawg day Jun 2021 #11
let's assume the other side qazplm135 Jun 2021 #13
She hasn't performed live or made an album in years. BannonsLiver Jun 2021 #17
She toured in 2018 and had a Las Vegas concert residency in 2019 oregonjen Jul 2021 #23
If you say so BannonsLiver Jul 2021 #34
If I say so? All I did was Google the info oregonjen Jul 2021 #36
How sick does one have to be RandySF Jun 2021 #18
Then why is she doing so many shows ? JI7 Jul 2021 #25
Able to perform and able to take care of yourself are not the same thing SoonerPride Jul 2021 #27
Unbelievable. This is ridiculous already. onecaliberal Jun 2021 #7
This is fucking ridiculous. boston bean Jun 2021 #8
as with everyone else here qazplm135 Jun 2021 #12
Is her father more capable? dawg day Jun 2021 #14
Apparently the judge thought so qazplm135 Jun 2021 #19
why petition for that? just petition to END THE CONSERVATORSHIP. maxsolomon Jun 2021 #15
Maybe there is some evidence or documentation that Spears still has strong issues? Nexus2 Jun 2021 #16
Me too! aurora the great Jun 2021 #21
It would be in the press - the tabloids have been merciless on her. maxsolomon Jul 2021 #24
She does not need to have her estranged father being the opne in charge obamanut2012 Jul 2021 #29
It's sort of odd that as a child performer she was better protected form her parents Johonny Jun 2021 #20
I have a strong feeling.... quickesst Jul 2021 #22
Looking at some of the comments.... Xolodno Jul 2021 #26
She wasn't asking for the conservatorship to be dissolved... Happy Hoosier Jul 2021 #31
Appalling obamanut2012 Jul 2021 #28
They could find some neutral party treestar Jul 2021 #30
Did you read the article? Happy Hoosier Jul 2021 #32
"the judge cannot make any ruling based on what she said as she still has yet to file a petition lindysalsagal Jul 2021 #35

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
6. Yeah, so much for the wisdom of judges
Wed Jun 30, 2021, 10:02 PM
Jun 2021

She can't marry or have another child because she committed the crime of... uh....?

But Bill Cosby is sleeping completely free now in his own house.

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
4. This is really terrifying-
Wed Jun 30, 2021, 10:01 PM
Jun 2021

Who knew that a competent working person could have all of her freedom taken away-- and have it ratified again and again by a judge?

I hope she does go on strike. I bet a lot of this is all about keeping her performing and earning money, much of which is probably siphoned off for "expenses".

hlthe2b

(101,702 posts)
9. It is possible. I researched the judge and she seems to have nothing to suggest questionable
Wed Jun 30, 2021, 10:04 PM
Jun 2021

background, bias, or other reason to expect such a judgement.

Here's what we know about Judge Penny.

She was appointed to the bench in 2018 by former Governor Jerry Brown. Her current term ends on January 4, 2027, according to Ballotpedia

A graduate of the University of Southern California and the University of West Los Angeles School of Law, Penny began her legal career in 1982 as an associate at the law firm Gronemeier & Barker. In 1989, she became a partner.

According to Penny's biography on legal database Trellis, she entered solo practice in 1994. Three years later, she became a probate attorney for the Los Angeles County Superior Court.

A registered Democrat, Penny was elected by the superior court judges to serve as court commissioner in 2014. She was a commissioner for four years, until her appointment to the bench.

lindysalsagal

(20,433 posts)
33. Thanks for that. I don't care about her, but the precedent it sets for other judges and women
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 10:57 AM
Jul 2021

in the 21st century.

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
11. Really, so what.
Wed Jun 30, 2021, 10:05 PM
Jun 2021

Many of us are "unwell". How many of us are under the near-total control of a father when we're an adult? Do any of us know any one in that situation? Maybe someone elderly with Alzheimers-- but someone young and with full mental capacity?

Having some mental health issues shouldn't mean losing your freedom for decades.


She is, I note, well enough to make bestselling albums and earn millions of dollars performing every night for weeks on end-- whether she wants to or not. There's a word for that, isn't there-- forcing another person to do labor against their will ... what's that word again?

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
13. let's assume the other side
Wed Jun 30, 2021, 10:10 PM
Jun 2021

that the judge had evidence that:

1. She would be prey to others if she managed her own affairs.
2. She would be incapable of properly taking care of her own affairs possibly leading to loss of some or all of her assets and money
3. The father was not, at least on the face, substantially taking advantage of the situation financially (i.e. not draining her account, or not keeping her in a state of poverty or destitution).

If true, that might suggest that she does not have "full mental capacity."

Bottom line is, I don't know, but I tend to trust a female Democratic judge on stuff like this to be honest, particularly when I don't have remotely the information she had.

oregonjen

(3,316 posts)
23. She toured in 2018 and had a Las Vegas concert residency in 2019
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 12:23 AM
Jul 2021

I’d say that was pretty recent. Her dad forced her to perform and controlled her dance moves, etc.

BannonsLiver

(16,161 posts)
34. If you say so
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 11:13 AM
Jul 2021

I couldn’t possibly care less about Britney. Never really thought she was that talented anyway.

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
27. Able to perform and able to take care of yourself are not the same thing
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 10:02 AM
Jul 2021

I don't think we know enough to say one way or the other.

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
12. as with everyone else here
Wed Jun 30, 2021, 10:07 PM
Jun 2021

I don't remotely know what the female, Democratic judge knew when she made this determination.

She could, of course, still be wrong...but this isn't an old white conservative republican judge fucking over a woman...it's a female Democratic judge making the ruling.

So folks should probably at least ask themselves if maybe it really is the case that Britney Spears is not capable of controlling her own affairs? Just possibly?

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
14. Is her father more capable?
Wed Jun 30, 2021, 10:11 PM
Jun 2021

Long history of substance abuse issues, allegations of abuse.
Seldom gainfully employed.


It's not like the judge has appointed some sober and wise and objective conservator here.


maxsolomon

(32,975 posts)
15. why petition for that? just petition to END THE CONSERVATORSHIP.
Wed Jun 30, 2021, 10:13 PM
Jun 2021

there's no justification for continuing it.

her dad's holed up in a trailer in Louisiana. It doesn't even sound like he's taking an active role.

LITERALLY WHO IS ENFORCING THESE RESTRICTIONS? who manages the Conservatorship day-to-day?

Nexus2

(1,261 posts)
16. Maybe there is some evidence or documentation that Spears still has strong issues?
Wed Jun 30, 2021, 10:13 PM
Jun 2021

The judge may be aware of more than we are. Spears' part is being aired in public, but that may not be the entire story. The other side may be convincing.

aurora the great

(71 posts)
21. Me too!
Wed Jun 30, 2021, 11:08 PM
Jun 2021

I have strong issues. But that hasn't allowed any one to go into court say I was incapable and then control me for 13 years. How many people haven't had problems. Serious problem. The bad boys of Tinsel town and music go off the deep end and I cant think of one who has been subjected to the treatment she has endured. This reeks of sexism. (chattel, guilded cage, no vote, no credit extended and so on.)

maxsolomon

(32,975 posts)
24. It would be in the press - the tabloids have been merciless on her.
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 01:21 AM
Jul 2021

Their hounding caused her nervous breakdown, which resulted in the conservatorship.

She's 39; she has been a competent Las Vegas entertainer for the entire time. #freebritney

Johonny

(20,675 posts)
20. It's sort of odd that as a child performer she was better protected form her parents
Wed Jun 30, 2021, 10:58 PM
Jun 2021

than as an adult.

I assume she failed to show substantial wrong doing (fraud/physical abuse) by her father and the courts are essentially uncaring and lazy about these matters. It's safest for them to do nothing so that's what they did.

quickesst

(6,280 posts)
22. I have a strong feeling....
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 12:01 AM
Jul 2021

.... that all the speculation, one way or another, will have the same result as we saw in the jussie Smollett incident.

" maybe if I just stand over here in the corner, don't say a word, and look as small as possible, they will forget what I said, and it will all blow over soon."

Worked in the case of jussie Smollett, so no reason that it won't work here.

Xolodno

(6,330 posts)
26. Looking at some of the comments....
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 01:31 AM
Jul 2021

...how quickly we forget the shit show that was Brittney Spears when she was managing her own affairs. Non stop paparazzi's, "managers" taking advantage of her, etc. Remember her sudden British accent?

I'm going to bet she wants not just to control her monetary affairs....but her mental health as well, that being, dumping all her pills down the toilet. And we get shit show part 2.

If she just wanted a bit more control on certain things, career wise, think she would have gotten it. But from the sound of things, she just wanted all of it gone.

Happy Hoosier

(7,069 posts)
31. She wasn't asking for the conservatorship to be dissolved...
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 10:47 AM
Jul 2021

Only that the court appointed professional management company remain as sole conservator. She does not trust her father.

I am having a hard time seeing a justification for this.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
30. They could find some neutral party
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 10:11 AM
Jul 2021

Like a bank, or something. If she does not want him there, there are many others who could do it.

Happy Hoosier

(7,069 posts)
32. Did you read the article?
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 10:48 AM
Jul 2021

There is a neutral co-conservator she was requesting be the sole conservator.

lindysalsagal

(20,433 posts)
35. "the judge cannot make any ruling based on what she said as she still has yet to file a petition
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 11:14 AM
Jul 2021

petition to terminate her conservatorship."

I'm not a lawyer, so I suspect there might be legal strategic limitations the judge can't vacate.

Also, I get that her IUD is important, because a man could legally rob her if a child complicated the picture.

Apparently, she lacks the judgement to legally protect herself from men, and they could take much of her wealth with just a one night stand. She's a target for criminals if she's fertile.

She also said she wants to sue her father and everyone in the conservatorship, so, there are lots of shady slimeballs who would love to help her do that. We have no idea how many men have already tried.

She's clearly vulnerable, as much as I don't like the sound of this. And she's such a high-paying target for criminals.

Sorry, but, I think this isn't as one-sided as Brittney wants it to sound.

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