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A judge has shot down Britney Spears request to have her father removed from her conservatorship.
New court documents that were filed by the Los Angeles Superior Court on Wednesday show that the judge has denied the request by Spears attorney, Samuel Ingham III, to remove her father, Jamie Spears, as her sole conservator.
The conservators request to suspend James P. Spears immediately upon the appointment of Bessemer Trust Company of California as sole conservator of estate is denied without prejudice, the court documents state.
Samuel Ingham III had filed the request to remove Spears father back in November 2020, stating that his client was afraid of her father and would refuse to perform again, if her father continued to be in charge of her career. At that time, Judge Brenda Penny declined to suspend her father from the conservatorship, though she did not rule out future petitions for his removal or suspension. Also, at that time, the judge appointed financial company Bessemer Trust as a co-conservator.
https://variety.com/2021/music/news/britney-spears-conservatorship-request-denied-remove-father-1235009486/
Doremus
(7,261 posts)durablend
(7,415 posts)dawg day
(7,947 posts)She can't marry or have another child because she committed the crime of... uh....?
But Bill Cosby is sleeping completely free now in his own house.
a kennedy
(29,458 posts)dawg day
(7,947 posts)Who knew that a competent working person could have all of her freedom taken away-- and have it ratified again and again by a judge?
I hope she does go on strike. I bet a lot of this is all about keeping her performing and earning money, much of which is probably siphoned off for "expenses".
onecaliberal
(32,471 posts)SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)The judge had more evidence than the tabloids.
hlthe2b
(101,702 posts)background, bias, or other reason to expect such a judgement.
Here's what we know about Judge Penny.
She was appointed to the bench in 2018 by former Governor Jerry Brown. Her current term ends on January 4, 2027, according to Ballotpedia
A graduate of the University of Southern California and the University of West Los Angeles School of Law, Penny began her legal career in 1982 as an associate at the law firm Gronemeier & Barker. In 1989, she became a partner.
According to Penny's biography on legal database Trellis, she entered solo practice in 1994. Three years later, she became a probate attorney for the Los Angeles County Superior Court.
A registered Democrat, Penny was elected by the superior court judges to serve as court commissioner in 2014. She was a commissioner for four years, until her appointment to the bench.
lindysalsagal
(20,433 posts)in the 21st century.
dawg day
(7,947 posts)Many of us are "unwell". How many of us are under the near-total control of a father when we're an adult? Do any of us know any one in that situation? Maybe someone elderly with Alzheimers-- but someone young and with full mental capacity?
Having some mental health issues shouldn't mean losing your freedom for decades.
She is, I note, well enough to make bestselling albums and earn millions of dollars performing every night for weeks on end-- whether she wants to or not. There's a word for that, isn't there-- forcing another person to do labor against their will ... what's that word again?
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)that the judge had evidence that:
1. She would be prey to others if she managed her own affairs.
2. She would be incapable of properly taking care of her own affairs possibly leading to loss of some or all of her assets and money
3. The father was not, at least on the face, substantially taking advantage of the situation financially (i.e. not draining her account, or not keeping her in a state of poverty or destitution).
If true, that might suggest that she does not have "full mental capacity."
Bottom line is, I don't know, but I tend to trust a female Democratic judge on stuff like this to be honest, particularly when I don't have remotely the information she had.
BannonsLiver
(16,161 posts)oregonjen
(3,316 posts)Id say that was pretty recent. Her dad forced her to perform and controlled her dance moves, etc.
BannonsLiver
(16,161 posts)I couldnt possibly care less about Britney. Never really thought she was that talented anyway.
oregonjen
(3,316 posts)Fact check, its so easy.
RandySF
(57,592 posts)to be denied the right to remove an IUD?
JI7
(89,172 posts)SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)I don't think we know enough to say one way or the other.
onecaliberal
(32,471 posts)boston bean
(36,186 posts)qazplm135
(7,447 posts)I don't remotely know what the female, Democratic judge knew when she made this determination.
She could, of course, still be wrong...but this isn't an old white conservative republican judge fucking over a woman...it's a female Democratic judge making the ruling.
So folks should probably at least ask themselves if maybe it really is the case that Britney Spears is not capable of controlling her own affairs? Just possibly?
dawg day
(7,947 posts)Long history of substance abuse issues, allegations of abuse.
Seldom gainfully employed.
It's not like the judge has appointed some sober and wise and objective conservator here.
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)I wasn't there, don't know...she was.
maxsolomon
(32,975 posts)there's no justification for continuing it.
her dad's holed up in a trailer in Louisiana. It doesn't even sound like he's taking an active role.
LITERALLY WHO IS ENFORCING THESE RESTRICTIONS? who manages the Conservatorship day-to-day?
Nexus2
(1,261 posts)The judge may be aware of more than we are. Spears' part is being aired in public, but that may not be the entire story. The other side may be convincing.
aurora the great
(71 posts)I have strong issues. But that hasn't allowed any one to go into court say I was incapable and then control me for 13 years. How many people haven't had problems. Serious problem. The bad boys of Tinsel town and music go off the deep end and I cant think of one who has been subjected to the treatment she has endured. This reeks of sexism. (chattel, guilded cage, no vote, no credit extended and so on.)
maxsolomon
(32,975 posts)Their hounding caused her nervous breakdown, which resulted in the conservatorship.
She's 39; she has been a competent Las Vegas entertainer for the entire time. #freebritney
obamanut2012
(25,905 posts)Not at all.
Johonny
(20,675 posts)than as an adult.
I assume she failed to show substantial wrong doing (fraud/physical abuse) by her father and the courts are essentially uncaring and lazy about these matters. It's safest for them to do nothing so that's what they did.
quickesst
(6,280 posts).... that all the speculation, one way or another, will have the same result as we saw in the jussie Smollett incident.
" maybe if I just stand over here in the corner, don't say a word, and look as small as possible, they will forget what I said, and it will all blow over soon."
Worked in the case of jussie Smollett, so no reason that it won't work here.
Xolodno
(6,330 posts)...how quickly we forget the shit show that was Brittney Spears when she was managing her own affairs. Non stop paparazzi's, "managers" taking advantage of her, etc. Remember her sudden British accent?
I'm going to bet she wants not just to control her monetary affairs....but her mental health as well, that being, dumping all her pills down the toilet. And we get shit show part 2.
If she just wanted a bit more control on certain things, career wise, think she would have gotten it. But from the sound of things, she just wanted all of it gone.
Happy Hoosier
(7,069 posts)Only that the court appointed professional management company remain as sole conservator. She does not trust her father.
I am having a hard time seeing a justification for this.
obamanut2012
(25,905 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)Like a bank, or something. If she does not want him there, there are many others who could do it.
Happy Hoosier
(7,069 posts)There is a neutral co-conservator she was requesting be the sole conservator.
lindysalsagal
(20,433 posts)petition to terminate her conservatorship."
I'm not a lawyer, so I suspect there might be legal strategic limitations the judge can't vacate.
Also, I get that her IUD is important, because a man could legally rob her if a child complicated the picture.
Apparently, she lacks the judgement to legally protect herself from men, and they could take much of her wealth with just a one night stand. She's a target for criminals if she's fertile.
She also said she wants to sue her father and everyone in the conservatorship, so, there are lots of shady slimeballs who would love to help her do that. We have no idea how many men have already tried.
She's clearly vulnerable, as much as I don't like the sound of this. And she's such a high-paying target for criminals.
Sorry, but, I think this isn't as one-sided as Brittney wants it to sound.