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Soph0571

(9,685 posts)
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 07:01 AM Jul 2021

Not only do they not know about it, they don't want to know about it.


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1960’s racist America looks genuinely like 2021’s racist America. White whiney racist privilege has not moved on at all. How is it possible as planet normal embraces the diversity and uniqueness of the 21st Century and works together to find a place of inclusivity and equality, the protest signs of the right-wing racist are effectively interchangeable generations apart? It is quite astounding and exactly why CRT is not only vital but scares the literal shit out of their rotten racist hearts...
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Not only do they not know about it, they don't want to know about it. (Original Post) Soph0571 Jul 2021 OP
"Hitler did some good things" czarjak Jul 2021 #1
"There are very fine people on both sides." ananda Jul 2021 #3
This is the type of racism that Critical Race Theory teaches is not the only racism we deal with StarfishSaver Jul 2021 #14
They get downright tetchy, go on the defensive, and close their eyes, ears, and minds even more. Solly Mack Jul 2021 #2
Best post I've seen in quite a while Soph0571..Kudos. NoMoreRepugs Jul 2021 #4
Thanks! Soph0571 Jul 2021 #5
Spot on! n/t iluvtennis Jul 2021 #6
Exactly. niyad Jul 2021 #7
Hey love :-) Soph0571 Jul 2021 #18
How are you doing? niyad Jul 2021 #20
As soon a a person realizes they have a real talent for getting people to believe nonsense...... jaxexpat Jul 2021 #8
Q: Why did we need a new, confusing term for this? thesquanderer Jul 2021 #9
I thought "Critical Race Theory" was a term invented by the racist right. lagomorph777 Jul 2021 #11
Why did you think that? StarfishSaver Jul 2021 #15
Ms. Crenshaw Nails It, Ma'am The Magistrate Jul 2021 #10
"it does not require more of white people than open eyes" StarfishSaver Jul 2021 #16
That would mean accepting your part in the ongoing uriel1972 Jul 2021 #19
This is great. Thanks so much for posting it! StarfishSaver Jul 2021 #12
The more things change, the more they stay the same... Wounded Bear Jul 2021 #13
Trump's Rock of Ages. Ask him. czarjak Jul 2021 #17
Same shit, different centuries. "The past is not dead; it is not even past." Faulkner Marcuse Jul 2021 #21
 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
14. This is the type of racism that Critical Race Theory teaches is not the only racism we deal with
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 10:50 AM
Jul 2021

This kind of racism lets people of the hook. They think that unless it manifests like this, it's not racism. And since most people don't think and talk like this, they think they have no role, responsibility or need to address it

jaxexpat

(6,701 posts)
8. As soon a a person realizes they have a real talent for getting people to believe nonsense......
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 09:04 AM
Jul 2021

They seem to choose one of two options.
1. They realize how egregiously immoral it is and condemn its ill-use at every turn.
2. They grab the option to monopolize and monetize it.

The phenomenon of racial sloganeering repeating itself over decades and generations is engendered by a preponderance of the option # 2 folks in positions of power. Especially in low-info zip codes.

My grandfather often said that a lie was just a lie though it could occasionally be entertaining. He went on to say, "if one must lie, be sure it's so outrageous that none would believe it. Because it's a lie that has just enough truth in to be feasible that can cause harm."

thesquanderer

(11,953 posts)
9. Q: Why did we need a new, confusing term for this?
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 10:42 AM
Jul 2021

"Systemic racism" was already a known issue to be considered, and is easy to explain based on the two words that comprise the term. What is the difference between studying "critical race theory" vs. studying "systemic racism"? Unless I am misunderstanding something (which is definitely possible), the word "critical" obfuscates rather than clarifies the topic of systemic racism, and the word "theory" adds nothing.

If "the whole point of critical race theory was to repudiate the idea that we can talk about racism only as a quality of individuals rather than as a structured reality that’s embedded in institutions," then, why did we need, not only a new term for something we already had a term for, but even one that does not clearly indicate its meaning, and is therefore that much more easily manipulated to mean what a speaker wants it to? What am I missing?

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
11. I thought "Critical Race Theory" was a term invented by the racist right.
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 10:44 AM
Jul 2021

Apparently they found it in some academic literature on our side, and ran with it.

Agreed, "Systemic Racism" is far more descriptive and is already well-understood.

The Magistrate

(95,237 posts)
10. Ms. Crenshaw Nails It, Ma'am
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 10:42 AM
Jul 2021

White-wing whinging on this matter is more than usually off the mark.

Far from 'telling white kids they're responsible and ought to feel bad for being white', this analysis shows that structures built up over the country's history shape the views and options of everyone, in directions which favor one group at the expense of others. It not only does not convict individuals now living of responsibility for this situation, it goes a good way to exonerate them. At its most basic level, it does not require more of white people than open eyes, and acceptance of an indisputable historical record.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
16. "it does not require more of white people than open eyes"
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 10:53 AM
Jul 2021

So sadly, that is beyond too much for some people, even supposedly progressives.

uriel1972

(4,261 posts)
19. That would mean accepting your part in the ongoing
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 09:50 PM
Jul 2021

Disenfranchisement and suffering of others, which is difficult and confronting. It would also require an ethical and moral person to do their bit to end it, which is hard work.

Much easier to be 'colour-blind' and 'not-racist' and ignore reality. The wilfully ignorant are to be found everywhere.

Wounded Bear

(58,437 posts)
13. The more things change, the more they stay the same...
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 10:47 AM
Jul 2021

Or, as the Bible puts it:

The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

KJV


Marcuse

(7,392 posts)
21. Same shit, different centuries. "The past is not dead; it is not even past." Faulkner
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 12:26 AM
Jul 2021

The Dred Scott decision.
[link:https://iowaculture.gov/sites/default/files/history-education-pss-equality-dred-transcription.pdf|

It then proceeds to say: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among them is life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that to secure these rights, Governments are instituted, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."

The general words above quoted would seem to embrace the whole human family, and if they were used in a similar instrument at this day would be so understood. But it is too clear for dispute, that the enslaved African race were not intended to be included, and formed no part of the people who framed and adopted this declaration; for if the language, as understood in that day, would embrace them, the conduct of the distinguished men who framed the Declaration of Independence would have been utterly and flagrantly inconsistent with the principles they asserted; and instead of the sympathy of mankind, to which they so confidently appealed, they would have deserved and received universal rebuke and reprobation.

Yet the men who framed this declaration were great men--high in literary acquirements--high in their sense of honor, and incapable of asserting principles inconsistent with those on which they were acting. They perfectly understood the meaning of the language they used, and how it would be understood by others; and they knew that it would not in any part of the civilized world be supposed to embrace the negro race, which by common consent, had been excluded from civilized Governments and the family of nations, and doomed to slavery. They spoke and acted according to the then established doctrines and principles, and in the ordinary language of the day, and no one misunderstood them.

The unhappy black race were separated from the white by indelible marks, and laws long before established, and were never thought of or spoken of except as property, and when the claims of the owner or the profit of the trader were supposed to need protection.
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