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kentuck

(110,950 posts)
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 07:37 AM Jul 2021

Is it worthwhile to have an investigation, if there is no accountability?

Does it really matter if Kevin McCarthy puts anyone on the Select Committee?

After all the witnesses are called and all the facts are gathered, will people be charged?

Will the truth suffice without accountability?

Do you believe anyone will be charged after the facts are known?

Are we to accept that Congressmen and President are exempt from the laws of this country?

Should there be jury trials?

Or would it be too divisive, and better to just move forward?

Should these questions even be raised?

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Is it worthwhile to have an investigation, if there is no accountability? (Original Post) kentuck Jul 2021 OP
accountability may be too much to hope for rampartc Jul 2021 #1
I'm with you Kentuck, gab13by13 Jul 2021 #2
Yes the question should be asked. After that I guess kacekwl Jul 2021 #3
A big part of the problem gab13by13 Jul 2021 #4
My Law and Order statement was kind of kacekwl Jul 2021 #14
Watch Chris Hayes, gab13by13 Jul 2021 #5
Maybe, if someone would charge somebody... Septua Jul 2021 #6
It seems to me that we should not expect lower standards for Congressmen and Presidents... kentuck Jul 2021 #8
The accountability that matters ... Xoan Jul 2021 #7
And what do you win at the ballot box..? kentuck Jul 2021 #9
Well, in a normal world, maybe the ballot box would be the place Bettie Jul 2021 #12
Well said, gab13by13 Jul 2021 #17
Here's the thing Kentuck malaise Jul 2021 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author malaise Jul 2021 #11
The calls to "move past this" will be deafening. Buns_of_Fire Jul 2021 #13
The country will be divided regardless... kentuck Jul 2021 #16
In other words gab13by13 Jul 2021 #18
No accountability and the ongoing insurrection will continue unabated. MiHale Jul 2021 #15
You are 100% correct gab13by13 Jul 2021 #19
If I said what I really want to say.... MiHale Jul 2021 #23
It worked against Hillary... Wounded Bear Jul 2021 #20
Looking forward is what got us here. Playing nice is what got us here. CrispyQ Jul 2021 #21
The computer guru gab13by13 Jul 2021 #22
Yes. Iggo Jul 2021 #24
It is better to have at least an investigation Beringia Jul 2021 #25

gab13by13

(20,867 posts)
2. I'm with you Kentuck,
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 08:34 AM
Jul 2021

if anyone criticizes Democrats for not doing more he/she gets in trouble. It is beyond my comprehension why our DOJ did not intervene in the Arizona fraudit. A private Qanon company was given access to ballots and election equipment and election/voter information. Federal election laws are being broken and nothing is done. The outcome of this fraudit (and they want to do them in other states) is to decertify the results of the Arizona presidential election. Well guess what that will do, it will further incite the insurrectionists to do it again, or to do other forms of violence against Democrats.

I am just as frustrated as you Kentuck. I hear the select committee is talking about making changes to the Electoral College system to make it harder to cheat in the election. That is all well and good if they can get that passed, but I'm with you, priority #1 should be holding people accountable for an insurrection. Who authorized tours of the Capitol to insurrectionists? Who disabled the panic buttons on Congressional desks? Were members of Congress complicit in the insurrection? Was MF45 complicit?

Without holding people accountable the ongoing insurrection just gathers more steam.

kacekwl

(6,994 posts)
3. Yes the question should be asked. After that I guess
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 08:39 AM
Jul 2021

It's up to the DOJ to determine accountability and us plain folks to determine our outrage for a change. I say prosecute to the max cause I'm a law and order guy.

gab13by13

(20,867 posts)
4. A big part of the problem
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 08:53 AM
Jul 2021

is that the MSM is complicit with the fascists, yes, including cable news. Look what you just posted, you are a law and order guy, as is the Democratic party, but who is touted as the law and order party, the law and order people? The people who carry thin blue line, American, flags and who attempted to overthrow our government are called law and order people because the MSM allows it.

The insurrection is gaining momentum because no one high up has been held accountable, Kentuck gets it.

Septua

(2,234 posts)
6. Maybe, if someone would charge somebody...
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 09:01 AM
Jul 2021

Trump's second impeachment was relative to sedition which is a crime. The facts were obvious but Senate trials are not legal courts and there weren't enough Dem Senators to convict, so he was not held accountable.

It comes down to Earth 1 vs Earth 2. Trump and all his spineless political minions reside on Earth 2 where accountability is non-existent. But if someone makes the effort, they can be extradited to Earth 1 as has been accomplished by the State of Michigan and City of Detroit.

[link:https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/election-claims-legal-sanctions/2021/02/21/4b051646-71fe-11eb-85fa-e0ccb3660358_story.html|

The Select Committee investigation may finally reveal irrefutable conclusions that Trump did indeed, commit sedition and other GOP Congressional members assisted him. I suppose it will depend on whomever testifies...What might take place after that, I don't know.

"The wheels of justice turn slowly" but maybe they will eventually deliver rightful justice.

kentuck

(110,950 posts)
8. It seems to me that we should not expect lower standards for Congressmen and Presidents...
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 09:06 AM
Jul 2021

..but higher standards.

They should be called to account for their actions.

Bettie

(15,998 posts)
12. Well, in a normal world, maybe the ballot box would be the place
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 09:17 AM
Jul 2021

but they are busily putting laws in place that allow states to ensure that there are fewer people allowed to vote as well as ignoring results that they don't like.

I have zero doubt that the supreme court will uphold all of this crap. They seem extremely hostile toward people who aren't white wingers voting.

gab13by13

(20,867 posts)
17. Well said,
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 09:44 AM
Jul 2021

all the more reason to add at least 4 more SC justices. I notice that talk of doing that has been squashed. It is not a radical proposal to add SC justices seeing as we now have a partisan SC.

malaise

(267,823 posts)
10. Here's the thing Kentuck
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 09:09 AM
Jul 2021

The Slobfather cannot help himself - he is going to respond and will eventually leak out all of what he did.
I can't wait for the Select Committee to get going and I want it all to be shown in public.

Response to kentuck (Original post)

Buns_of_Fire

(17,119 posts)
13. The calls to "move past this" will be deafening.
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 09:28 AM
Jul 2021

"This is dividing the country" will be repeated over and over, accompanied by gallons of crocodile tears from those most at risk by the exposure of the truth.

"The wisdom of the American people" will ensure that those to blame will be shut out of the electoral process -- ignoring the fact that it was "the wisdom of the American people" that handed these cretins power in the first place.

The low-hanging fruit will be harvested by the legal system, to spend a few years in custody, where they'll find God and all will be forgiven.

And The People, exhausted by it all, will agree and settle in to patiently wait for the next Trump to arrive.

kentuck

(110,950 posts)
16. The country will be divided regardless...
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 09:31 AM
Jul 2021

But the question, in my opinion, is it better to divide the majority or the minority? You cannot please everyone all the time.

MiHale

(9,593 posts)
15. No accountability and the ongoing insurrection will continue unabated.
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 09:31 AM
Jul 2021

New TFG flags are popping up where there were none before here in Northern Michigan along with the “Fuck Biden” flags. Way, way too many.

Starting to lose a little confidence in Washington.

gab13by13

(20,867 posts)
19. You are 100% correct
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 09:51 AM
Jul 2021

but you may get flagged for saying that. I will keep repeating this, Chuck Schumer needs to break up S1 into individual bills and bring them to the floor rapid fire one after the other, and when the dust settles and the GQP has voted down every bill let Joe Manchin go on TV and be asked if he still believes in bipartisanship, then push for the carve our on the filibuster for election bills. Do something. Don't stand at the plate and take 3 called strikes, swing 3 times, you never know you might hit the ball?

MiHale

(9,593 posts)
23. If I said what I really want to say....
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 12:03 PM
Jul 2021

then I’d probably be TSed. The confidence comes and goes. President Biden is helping.

Wounded Bear

(58,440 posts)
20. It worked against Hillary...
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 10:00 AM
Jul 2021

Possibly the most investigated woman in history. Never actually "convicted" of anything, but the slurs and smears worked in the long run to keep her out of the White House.

CrispyQ

(36,231 posts)
21. Looking forward is what got us here. Playing nice is what got us here.
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 10:05 AM
Jul 2021


They stole 2000 with hardly a fight from our side. Personally, I'll always question Ohio 2004, too. Then we looked forward on Bush's crimes. Not holding repubs accountable is our MO & it's emboldened them.

I can hardly stand to listen to Nicole Wallace, The Lincoln Project, & other disaffected republicans cry about what happened to their party. Excuse the fuck out of me, but the trajectory of the Republican Party has been clear for decades.

“If this were a dictatorship it would be a heck of a lot easier... as long as I'm the dictator. Hehehe.” George W. Bush

gab13by13

(20,867 posts)
22. The computer guru
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 10:37 AM
Jul 2021

who had the info on the vote tallies from Ohio being diverted to a warehouse in Tennessee was on his way to DC to spill the beans when his small plane crashed. Coincidence?

As far as Republicans disowning their party all I have to say is Saul was a bad man.

Beringia

(4,314 posts)
25. It is better to have at least an investigation
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 01:32 PM
Jul 2021

But I doubt anyone high up will be held accountable. Can McCarthy even find 5 republicans that weren't involved in some way or other. Someone said you need 2 functioning parties in our government and so Democrats will let the Republicans slide on this and "hope", they have learned their lesson. I would put Fiona Hill in charge of the committee. She knows the in's and out's of attempted coups very well.

Also I think Trump is an aberration with his extreme of being a psychopath, and all the lunatics that followed him.

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