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The Cleveland "Guardians" (Original Post) demmiblue Jul 2021 OP
But he's not White, he is multigraincracker Jul 2021 #1
"It's too spicy for me!" Grokenstein Jul 2021 #2
Yup, literally LOL'd on that... dixiechiken1 Jul 2021 #5
That and "Omaha Speak to the Managers." demmiblue Jul 2021 #27
Guardians sucks, that is all they could come up doc03 Jul 2021 #3
Sounds like something from a dystopian science fiction novel. n/t PoliticAverse Jul 2021 #6
Right. The solution is so simple..."The Tribe", as it's already used quite a bit. brush Jul 2021 #8
Wouldn't that be offensive to someone? doc03 Jul 2021 #9
yes, not only is it still Native American-referencing, but 'the Tribe' is an anti-Semitic slur too Celerity Jul 2021 #10
Tribe is anti-semitic? Since when are the 12 tribes of Israel a slur. brush Jul 2021 #12
calling a jew 'a member of the tribe' is deffo a common anti-Semitic slur, heard it often in London Celerity Jul 2021 #21
I do defer to Native Americans if they consider "tribe" offensive. brush Jul 2021 #13
Wouldn't that be offensive to someone? doc03 Jul 2021 #14
I do defer to Native Americans if they consider "tribe" offensive. brush Jul 2021 #15
Oh my god, no. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2021 #16
Are you a Cleveland baseball fan? brush Jul 2021 #17
No. I do know that NAs are increasingly not a fan of non-indigenous people using "tribe" to WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2021 #19
Do you have a link? brush Jul 2021 #20
. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2021 #22
This reminds me of the guy at work that carried doc03 Jul 2021 #31
"It's to the point we have Google every word before we use it to see if may offend someone." WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2021 #32
lol.....NO! Nt USALiberal Jul 2021 #26
I would have gone with the Lakers dsc Jul 2021 #11
Have you seen why they picked the name? WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2021 #18
No doubt they didn't. People just think they're smarter than everyone. USALiberal Jul 2021 #25
Lol! I'm sure they didn't put any thought into it. USALiberal Jul 2021 #24
Should have went with the 'Spiders.' Xavier Breath Jul 2021 #34
he is brilliant lol love him Takket Jul 2021 #4
I grew up going to their games in the 50's and 60's. llmart Jul 2021 #7
"Guardians" is appropriate. It's a nod to the dominance and ruination of American cities Ron Green Jul 2021 #23
Now, do we rename "Indiana"? "Guardiana" sounds about right. JustABozoOnThisBus Jul 2021 #28
Don't worry, someone, somewhere has already taken offense to the name and will try to change it. Efilroft Sul Jul 2021 #29
Being from Ohio I know zero Indians or Native Americans. doc03 Jul 2021 #30
. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2021 #33

brush

(53,477 posts)
8. Right. The solution is so simple..."The Tribe", as it's already used quite a bit.
Fri Jul 23, 2021, 06:54 PM
Jul 2021

Such a no-brainer. Should've been done and over with years ago.

Celerity

(42,675 posts)
10. yes, not only is it still Native American-referencing, but 'the Tribe' is an anti-Semitic slur too
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 09:50 AM
Jul 2021

brush

(53,477 posts)
12. Tribe is anti-semitic? Since when are the 12 tribes of Israel a slur.
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 11:41 AM
Jul 2021

As far as the Cleveland baseball team, the term "that's my tribe", has been used by fans for years as an affection term for their team.

Celerity

(42,675 posts)
21. calling a jew 'a member of the tribe' is deffo a common anti-Semitic slur, heard it often in London
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 12:28 PM
Jul 2021

growing up, unfortunately. Jews themselves used it in a sort of self-mocking, in-group way (MOT aka member of the Tribe), but then anti-Semites took it and ran with it

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=the%20tribe




https://global.ajc.org/files/ajc/upload/AJC_Glossary.pdf

brush

(53,477 posts)
13. I do defer to Native Americans if they consider "tribe" offensive.
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 11:44 AM
Jul 2021

I didn't think it was as a long-time fan. The term "that's my tribe", used by fans for years, I thought was an affection term for the team by fans like myself.

brush

(53,477 posts)
15. I do defer to Native Americans if they consider "tribe" offensive.
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 12:11 PM
Jul 2021

I didn't think it was as the term "that's my tribe" has been used by fans like myself for years as an affection term for the team.

brush

(53,477 posts)
17. Are you a Cleveland baseball fan?
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 12:17 PM
Jul 2021

I do defer to Native Americans if they consider "tribe" offensive.

I didn't think it was as a long-time fan. The term "that's my tribe", has been used by fans for years as an affection term for the team.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,153 posts)
19. No. I do know that NAs are increasingly not a fan of non-indigenous people using "tribe" to
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 12:23 PM
Jul 2021

describe an in group.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,153 posts)
22. .
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 12:34 PM
Jul 2021
https://www.wernative.org/ask-auntie-questions/a-teen-recently-told-me-that-using-the-phrase-find-your-tribe-or-using-the-word-tribe-is-offensive-to-native-americans-i-wanted-to-ask-a-reliable-source-if-this-is-true-or-is-simply-an-opinio
For Indigenous people, tribal identity is important. So when non-Native people say “find your tribe” or “tribe” to describe groups of shared interest, it is offensive because it erases the significance of Tribal sovereignty, identity, and people. Instead, we can use words like: group, crew, friends, or circle.


You can also try googling "is tribe offensive" to read more about it.

doc03

(35,151 posts)
31. This reminds me of the guy at work that carried
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 05:42 PM
Jul 2021

this little black book around. Every once in while he would take it out and write in it. One day someone said Tony what are you writing in there all the time? He said whenever someone insults me or pisses me off for some reason I write it down so I didnt forget. The other guy said how important could it have been if you have to write it down to remember it? It's to the point we have Google every word before we use it to see if may offend someone.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,153 posts)
32. "It's to the point we have Google every word before we use it to see if may offend someone."
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 05:45 PM
Jul 2021

It really isn't.

I'm also not really seeing the connection between your anecdote and making a basic human effort to not use oppressive language about historically marginalized people.

dsc

(52,130 posts)
11. I would have gone with the Lakers
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 11:00 AM
Jul 2021

but the Guardians has some local resonance. The name comes statues on one of the big bridges connecting the east and west sides of Cleveland.

Xavier Breath

(3,528 posts)
34. Should have went with the 'Spiders.'
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 06:23 PM
Jul 2021

Black with green and yellow trim, like the spider is lit from beneath. Every kid in America would have been clamoring for a jersey and they could have printed money.

llmart

(15,505 posts)
7. I grew up going to their games in the 50's and 60's.
Fri Jul 23, 2021, 06:40 PM
Jul 2021

They'll always be the Indians to me. In elementary school if you had a straight A average in every course at the end of the year you would get seven pair of general admission seats at Memorial Stadium. I was a good student so I spent a lot of my summers cheering them on.

Ron Green

(9,821 posts)
23. "Guardians" is appropriate. It's a nod to the dominance and ruination of American cities
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 02:02 PM
Jul 2021

by the automobile in the 1920’s. Instead of appropriating those we killed, we appropriate those who killed us.

doc03

(35,151 posts)
30. Being from Ohio I know zero Indians or Native Americans.
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 05:21 PM
Jul 2021

What do they want to be called I don't know?
I don't see why calling a team Indians is wrong unless they don't like the word. Like the guy in the video I think if you name a team for them it would be an honor. The state of Ohio comes from an Iraquios word should we change that. What about all the lakes, streets and cities with Indian names is that offensive. All this political correctness makes Democrats look foolish IMO. I was a steelworker for 40 years it offends me to call the Pittsburgh football team (Steelers). Those guys never set foot in a steel mill.
We had some Jesus freaks a few years ago that claimed the high school team Red Devils was devil worship.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,153 posts)
33. .
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 06:04 PM
Jul 2021
I don't see why calling a team Indians is wrong unless they don't like the word.
Have you not seen any of the coverage around the team's name, or other racist mascots?

The state of Ohio comes from an Iraquios word should we change that.
Has there been a call for change?

What about all the lakes, streets and cities with Indian names is that offensive.
Do you care if it is, or are you shitposting?

ll this political correctness makes Democrats look foolish IMO.
Yes, listening to marginalized people when they say things hurt them is definitely a foolish thing to do.

I was a steelworker for 40 years it offends me to call the Pittsburgh football team (Steelers). Those guys never set foot in a steel mill.
Huh. Is this the first time you've ever said you were offended? Did you work with other offended Steelworkers to get the name changed? I'm confused, though, since the nickname is Steelers, not Steelworkers, and the logo is the old U.S. Steel logo.
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