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Tue Aug 31, 2021, 09:14 PM

Just for some context for how abuse by the wealthy elites was dealt with in the past, skim through

"The Gangs of New York".

In New York in the mid-19th century, people were actually starving while wealthy businessmen guarded their warehouses filled with flour and grain and the prices skyrocketed. After pleas and marches failed to influence the capitalists to release some of their stores to save lives, angry mobs assembled, overpowered the guards and broke into the food stores. But, they did not stop with that.

They marched to the mansions of the wealthy, broke into them, carried away furniture and silverware and clothing---anything of value---and then burned the big houses after hanging their owners from lamp posts.

Of course, nothing even remotely like this could happen today, right?

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Reply Just for some context for how abuse by the wealthy elites was dealt with in the past, skim through (Original post)
Atticus Aug 2021 OP
Bluethroughu Aug 2021 #1
Enter stage left Aug 2021 #2
cinematicdiversions Aug 2021 #3
JustAnotherGen Aug 2021 #7
Archae Aug 2021 #4
VarryOn Aug 2021 #5
I_UndergroundPanther Aug 2021 #6
Farmer-Rick Aug 2021 #8
flotsam2 Aug 2021 #9

Response to Atticus (Original post)

Tue Aug 31, 2021, 09:18 PM

1. Ummm history seems to repeat itself...

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Tue Aug 31, 2021, 09:19 PM

2. Where do I sign up?

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Tue Aug 31, 2021, 09:24 PM

3. I am not sure the mid century riots in New York a shining example of wealth distribution.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_draft_riots

The military did not reach the city until the second day of rioting, by which time the mobs had ransacked or destroyed numerous public buildings, two Protestant churches, the homes of various abolitionists or sympathizers, many black homes, and the Colored Orphan Asylum at 44th Street and Fifth Avenue, which was burned to the ground.[9] The area's demographics changed as a result of the riot. Many black residents left Manhattan permanently with many moving to Brooklyn. By 1865, the black population had fallen below 11,000 for the first time since 1820.

West of Broadway, below Twenty-sixth, all was quiet at 9 o'clock last night. A crowd was at the corner of Seventh avenue and Twenty-seventh Street at that time. This was the scene of the hanging of a negro in the morning, and another at 6 o'clock in the evening. The body of the one hung in the morning presented a shocking appearance at the Station-House. His fingers and toes had been sliced off, and there was scarcely an inch of his flesh which was not gashed. Late in the afternoon, a negro was dragged out of his house in West Twenty-seventh street, beaten down on the sidewalk, pounded in a horrible manner, and then hanged to a tree.[23]


The most reliable estimates indicate at least 2,000 people were injured. Herbert Asbury, the author of the 1928 book Gangs of New York, upon which the 2002 film was based, puts the figure much higher, at 2,000 killed and 8,000 wounded,[25] a number that some dispute.[26] Total property damage was about $1–5 million (equivalent to $16.7 million – $83.7 million in 2019[27]).[25][28] The city treasury later indemnified one-quarter of the amount.

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Reply #3)

Tue Aug 31, 2021, 09:40 PM

7. Thank you

Reality check.

They went after poor black people.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Tue Aug 31, 2021, 09:27 PM

4. This is Hollywood...

So the reality of this riot was FAR different than the Hollywood portrayal.

As posted just above my post.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Tue Aug 31, 2021, 09:27 PM

5. Hopefully not. I suspect some might not like how "wealthy" would...

 

Be defined

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Tue Aug 31, 2021, 09:28 PM

6. Wish

We could do that,without the violence.

Obscene wealth is incompatible with democracy and the concept of freedom.

I hope the wealthy are made to pay up soon someday.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Tue Aug 31, 2021, 10:29 PM

8. There's an easier way, just tax them to death.

"The war revenue debate would be fought on Roosevelt’s terms — not on whether to tax the rich, but on how much. And, in the end, that “how much” would turn out to be quite a great deal. By the war’s end, America’s wealthy would be paying taxes on income over $200,000 at a 94 percent statutory rate."

https://flaglerlive.com/26685/gc-fdr-and-taxes/

Then Tax all their wealth like we tax property. That would be more than enough to give us all Medicare.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Tue Aug 31, 2021, 11:15 PM

9. The origin of the "Troubles" in Ireland

Which continued for over 150 years were similar. While the potato crop that fed the poor failed for 3 consecutive years, "The historian Cecil Woodham-Smith wrote in The Great Hunger: Ireland 1845–1849 that no issue has provoked so much anger and embittered relations between England and Ireland "as the indisputable fact that huge quantities of food were exported from Ireland to England throughout the period when the people of Ireland were dying of starvation".[110] While in addition to the maize imports, four times as much wheat was imported into Ireland at the height of the famine as exported, much of the imported wheat was used as livestock feed" WIKI Keep in mind poor Irish had few cattle-the imported wheat fed English owned cows while 2 million starved... So Ireland was depopulated by 20% and warred against the wealthier classes for not days but well over a century.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Famine_(Ireland)

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