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Atticus

(15,124 posts)
Fri Oct 8, 2021, 05:04 PM Oct 2021

I am afraid that my patience has worn awfully thin. The outrage---the no-holds-barred "pissed

offness"--- is bubbling just beneath my surface and I am not a damn bit ashamed of it because it is JUSTIFIED!

An out-in-the-open mob of fascist traitors ("hyperbole" my ass!) are planning to end our democracy and place a known monster back in power.

We know they will enrich themselves at our expense.

We know that anyone who is gay, non-white, female or simply is unwilling to kiss the appropriate asses will be mercilessly persecuted.

We know that they will either ignore the laws or simply create new ones that "legalize" their cruelty and immorality.

We know they will not do diddly shit about climate change because they THINK they will not have to deal with the hardships and strife in their lifetime.

We know----well, we know THEM for the shameless greedy thugs they are.

We KNOW all this, yet we are cautioned not to give voice to our rage lest we be judged "uncivil" or "counterproductive".

Damn it! We can disagree about what type of "drastic action" should be taken, but SURELY we can agree that drastic----perhaps (shudder!) UNPRECEDENTED---action must be on the table if we are to turn these criminals out and retake our country!

We cannot afford to give an inch anywhere.

We cannot cut any trumplican any slack for any reason.

We cannot afford to pass up any opportunity to contradict, impede, embarrass or defeat any one of "them".

If we don't get off our asses, they're going to hand them to us next year. Unlike us so far, their only rule will be "Whatever it takes".

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I am afraid that my patience has worn awfully thin. The outrage---the no-holds-barred "pissed (Original Post) Atticus Oct 2021 OP
I totally agree. It is stunning NewHendoLib Oct 2021 #1
It is later than most realize. The fascists are winning in this era of profound apathy. olegramps Oct 2021 #46
amazing number of people simply think it can't happen here. NewHendoLib Oct 2021 #48
It's mob rule plain and simple azureblue Oct 2021 #56
What Atticus said. Scrivener7 Oct 2021 #2
I share your outrage, my dear Atticus. Boy, do I ever. WE MUST ACT. n/t CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2021 #3
"If you cannot convince a fascist. . ." DinahMoeHum Oct 2021 #4
I'd rather acquaint it with a 2 X 4 liberaltrucker Oct 2021 #13
Me, I prefer a Louisville Slugger. DinahMoeHum Oct 2021 #15
Me too; a barbed-wire-wrapped Louisville Slugger. OMGWTF Oct 2021 #62
Great rant malaise Oct 2021 #5
X1000 2Gingersnaps Oct 2021 #32
In football and basketball, points are scored when proceeding Tetrachloride Oct 2021 #6
It doesn't make sense unless ... Auggie Oct 2021 #7
I have some sympthy for the Justice Department. soldierant Oct 2021 #66
I'm tired of playing 'nice' to the willfully ignorant and intentionally rude and mean... Wounded Bear Oct 2021 #8
Absolutely!! Why are we (Democrats) ALWAYS willing to play nice. IT GETS us NOWHERE. usaf-vet Oct 2021 #49
DETERRENCE is important here and now. Grasswire2 Oct 2021 #9
Deterrence, yes. But with people who wnylib Oct 2021 #64
I suspect that some strategists are warning the WH of civil war if attempts are made.. Grasswire2 Oct 2021 #67
I have also thought that the strategy advice wnylib Oct 2021 #72
In this regard...regarding the subpoenas NQAS Oct 2021 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Oct 2021 #43
Yes, agree 100%. n/t LuckyCharms Oct 2021 #53
Totally agree! Owl Oct 2021 #90
This☝️ I_UndergroundPanther Oct 2021 #11
Well, first thing we should do is steal that "Whatever it Takes" mentality calimary Oct 2021 #12
+1, Spain's left in 1938 didn't think "whatever it takes" and look what happened to them .. uponit7771 Oct 2021 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Oct 2021 #44
The sad thing that the fascists are back and stronger than ever. olegramps Oct 2021 #45
No !! ... SERISOULY Mussolini's grand daughter? uponit7771 Oct 2021 #58
Exactly! nancy1942 Oct 2021 #14
It is an all hands on deck moment. Never know it watching infotainment. Time to act. Evolve Dammit Oct 2021 #16
any more ? monkeyman1 Oct 2021 #17
Amen to that! Richard58 Oct 2021 #30
K&R... spanone Oct 2021 #18
We all knew Trump was guilty as hell in Impeachment !, and we all knew he was guilty as hell in world wide wally Oct 2021 #19
I feel you! flamingdem Oct 2021 #20
REPUBLICANS WANT TO CANCEL DEMOCRACY! n/t 42bambi Oct 2021 #21
If there are no consequences, .... pbmus Oct 2021 #22
do unto them, as they would do unto us.... bahboo Oct 2021 #23
Agreed. Enough of them shredding our country. Indict, try, convict. You think they wouldn't?? Evolve Dammit Oct 2021 #24
my anger meter has been busted for a long time . AllaN01Bear Oct 2021 #25
Overreacting not you are. dchill Oct 2021 #26
Agree 150% hadEnuf Oct 2021 #27
Power Hungry Roy Rolling Oct 2021 #28
Yep. Another post right on point, Atticus. PatrickforB Oct 2021 #29
Agreed. On all points. TomSlick Oct 2021 #31
The thing is, Mr. Evil Oct 2021 #33
K&R Blue Owl Oct 2021 #34
k & r Ferrets are Cool Oct 2021 #35
Kick dalton99a Oct 2021 #36
THANK YOU !!! Putin's Whore has done more damage than Osama Bin Laden and we should be treating uponit7771 Oct 2021 #37
All of the damage done after 9/11 was self-inflicted... Wounded Bear Oct 2021 #50
I'd say most but agreed, I'm talking about 9/11 event itself uponit7771 Oct 2021 #57
It's possible participation in social media and discussion boards Kaleva Oct 2021 #39
Or, as in this case, some behavior is so criminal and outrageous that outrage Scrivener7 Oct 2021 #59
Thank you for posting the reality. hamsterjill Oct 2021 #40
What are you doing about it Kaleva Oct 2021 #41
And here we go. hamsterjill Oct 2021 #42
Then bring them in line Kaleva Oct 2021 #73
You sure do assume a lot. hamsterjill Oct 2021 #87
so... back at ya: in your opinion "climate change is the biggest threat of all" orleans Oct 2021 #89
Read my posts about what I'm doing. Kaleva Oct 2021 #91
Here ya go - Roisin Ni Fiachra Oct 2021 #51
Someone asks this silly question every time this subject is raised. Are you thinking Scrivener7 Oct 2021 #60
THANK YOU. Grasswire2 Oct 2021 #68
I agree. hamsterjill Oct 2021 #70
Instead of just talking, people should do more. Kaleva Oct 2021 #76
LOLOL. Grasswire2 Oct 2021 #77
Seriously, right? hamsterjill Oct 2021 #86
Another thank you. hamsterjill Oct 2021 #69
Then behave in a way that gets results. Kaleva Oct 2021 #74
I do. I work hard to get Democrats elected. That's how this works. Scrivener7 Oct 2021 #75
I'm not trying to shut them down. I'm trying to encourage them to take greater actions Kaleva Oct 2021 #79
Yes, I saw above where you tell us we should not express our wish to see action unless Scrivener7 Oct 2021 #81
I'll try explain it again in another way Kaleva Oct 2021 #82
You don't need to explain it another way. It isn't that you are not understood. Scrivener7 Oct 2021 #83
You'll respond to the degree of how important the issue is to you. Kaleva Oct 2021 #84
You're simply trying to shut up people who are expressing a wish to see some action. Just be Scrivener7 Oct 2021 #85
it's a pattern with some here Grasswire2 Oct 2021 #88
As it's impossible for me, you, or others to shut up anyone, Kaleva Oct 2021 #93
just stop Grasswire2 Oct 2021 #78
I am letting them speak. I'm also trying to encourage them to do more. Kaleva Oct 2021 #80
+1... myohmy2 Oct 2021 #47
That's exactly how I replied to a FB post from Firestorm49 Oct 2021 #52
+++++++++++++++ Grasswire2 Oct 2021 #71
Republikkkans are not wanted here. Mr. Steve Oct 2021 #54
I think it is important that we start refering to repugs as fascist or the fascist party. Hotler Oct 2021 #55
I'm sorry to admit that I have lost most of my optimism about our future. Lonestarblue Oct 2021 #61
damn!! llashram Oct 2021 #63
For months DownriverDem Oct 2021 #65
Atticus, you speak for me and my household. joetheman Oct 2021 #92

DinahMoeHum

(21,737 posts)
4. "If you cannot convince a fascist. . ."
Fri Oct 8, 2021, 05:08 PM
Oct 2021

". . . acquaint his head with the pavement. . ."

(allegedly said by that old commie Leon Trotsky)

2Gingersnaps

(1,000 posts)
32. X1000
Fri Oct 8, 2021, 07:51 PM
Oct 2021

Just got told I was bitter for the exact same feeling. I am not bitter. I AM PISSED. Back in the day, PTSD was known as moral injury. That twisted psychotic criminal has given a whole nation, well, 2/3 of it moral injury. And the ones just as twisted as he is are dying to get the opportunity to finish the job.

Tetrachloride

(7,723 posts)
6. In football and basketball, points are scored when proceeding
Fri Oct 8, 2021, 05:11 PM
Oct 2021

to enemy territory and scoring goals repeatedly.

And occasionally a player is removed from the game due to ineffective play, unsportsmanlike conduct or injury.

The umpires may or may not be honest or eagle-eyed.

The fans want the good guys to win.

Auggie

(31,061 posts)
7. It doesn't make sense unless ...
Fri Oct 8, 2021, 05:21 PM
Oct 2021

indictments are being drawn-out out to, 1) build bullet-proof cases and, 2) happen closer to mid-terms, say January or February 2022.

Just a guess.

soldierant

(6,648 posts)
66. I have some sympthy for the Justice Department.
Sat Oct 9, 2021, 04:20 PM
Oct 2021

Indicting them without locking them up would only add fuel to the MAGAt fire. Indicting them and locking them up in a known location would also add fuel to the MAGAt fire. Possibly so would indicting them and locking them up in an unknown location (isn’t that what Guantanamo is for?) If they defy these subpoenas and Congress makes a criminal referral to DOJ, they might be able to lock them up for that without adding too much fuel to the fire, though. And then investigators might have a little slack to gather more evidence for the real charges. Hey, it’s just a thought.

usaf-vet

(6,094 posts)
49. Absolutely!! Why are we (Democrats) ALWAYS willing to play nice. IT GETS us NOWHERE.
Sat Oct 9, 2021, 09:25 AM
Oct 2021

From out here in the north woods of the midwest, I am so tired and frustrated that we appear to be willing to bide our time and let nature, the courts, karma, the roll of the dice, the flip of a coin, advance our views.

The GQP is willing to break the laws and the Constitution to step over the red line to win their goal.

We, the Democrats inch our way toward the line in infinite half steps, but with smaller and smaller half steps, we will NEVER be able to that line and repel the GQP's daring plan to destroy two-party rule and the Democracy it guards.

Nine months after the attack on our Democracy, what do we see as evidence that we are punishing those that participated?

What deterrents are we demonstrating will be the punishment for further attacks? More brazen and, yes, deadly attacks. In my mind, NONE!

I fear we will wake up in 2022 with a congress that will own both houses and all the power to take the next step to put the deranged grifter back in the white house to FINISH the job they started with TFG at the helm of a rudderless ship of state.

If that happens in America, the United States will no longer exist. There will be no turning back.

Grasswire2

(13,564 posts)
9. DETERRENCE is important here and now.
Fri Oct 8, 2021, 05:32 PM
Oct 2021

That happens when swift application of justice is certain...........

Not something to simply be under consideration.

The people are waiting.

Some are losing heart.

wnylib

(21,146 posts)
64. Deterrence, yes. But with people who
Sat Oct 9, 2021, 04:03 PM
Oct 2021

are so unwaveringly committed to their agenda, deterrence might not be enough. Total, unrecoverable crushing and destruction of the agenda might be necessary because nothing deters them.

If that complete destruction of the agenda and its promoters is not accomplished in the courts, legislature, voting booths, and enforcement of laws, I fear that it will reach a point where only physical fighting would end it. If they are not totally defeated now and they succeed in taking over, the oppressiveness under their rule will lead to unrest that escalates to physical rebellion to get rid of them.

I feel like a full blown showdown between reds and blues is becoming inevitable.

Grasswire2

(13,564 posts)
67. I suspect that some strategists are warning the WH of civil war if attempts are made..
Sat Oct 9, 2021, 04:25 PM
Oct 2021

...to hold TFG and his minions accountable under the law.

What is that flash point?

The strategy has appeared to be to try and outrun the mob by stabilizing the economy and holding back on adjudication of crimes for now.

That's a high wire act.

They ARE going to seize power at any price, and the chances of stopping them are shrinking.

One blink, and the republic is gone.

wnylib

(21,146 posts)
72. I have also thought that the strategy advice
Sat Oct 9, 2021, 08:18 PM
Oct 2021

is as you described, to avoid civil war over charging Trump and his accomplices.

It is indeed a high wire act, with the fascists pushing every political button to undermine the stability that Biden focuses on. The corporate media, intentionally or not, contributes to the fascist destabilization with its verbal attacks on Biden in defense of their own corporate interests.

In the end, the far right will either take over through false election claims or civil war if their false election claims do not work. So appeasing them now will not solve anything.

NQAS

(10,749 posts)
10. In this regard...regarding the subpoenas
Fri Oct 8, 2021, 05:36 PM
Oct 2021

Trump doesn’t have executive privilege. Biden says he’ll approve release of documents. Why even wait for court decisions. Release the docs immediately. If not sooner. Then it doesn’t matter what the courts do.

As for that criminal contempt option. Why say that option will be considered. Do it immediately. (If not sooner.). Consider nothing. Explore no options. Haul their butts into jail now. That should compel compliance for other subpoenas issued. And if everyone refuses, everyone goes to jail.

Oh, and one more thing. Every official hearing must be public. Interviews can be private. But testimony? In public. Cameras rolling every step of the way.

Response to NQAS (Reply #10)

calimary

(80,694 posts)
12. Well, first thing we should do is steal that "Whatever it Takes" mentality
Fri Oct 8, 2021, 05:43 PM
Oct 2021

and make it OUR OWN!!! And then act accordingly!

I’m in NO mood to be nice anymore. Some ruthlessness would be MOST welcome, and a very refreshing change, at least to me!

The main advantage upon launch would be the element of surprise. The bad guys aren’t expecting to face well-schemed strategy and ruthless tactics. Just remember what happens when a bully is confronted full-on. The bully turns into a chicken who has no comeback and no tools to fight such an adversary. When you’re used to facing nothing but pushovers all the time, your muscles start getting flabby.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
38. +1, Spain's left in 1938 didn't think "whatever it takes" and look what happened to them ..
Sat Oct 9, 2021, 05:40 AM
Oct 2021

... when the pussy footed around with Franco.

We should be viewing Trump like he's OBL and error on the side of putting him and his homeboys in Gitmo for thinking about attacking the country.

Cut the head off the snake and wilt the body, fuck them

Response to uponit7771 (Reply #38)

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
45. The sad thing that the fascists are back and stronger than ever.
Sat Oct 9, 2021, 09:08 AM
Oct 2021

They have elected Mussolini's granddaughter, an avowed fascist, in the latest elections.

 

monkeyman1

(5,109 posts)
17. any more ?
Fri Oct 8, 2021, 06:03 PM
Oct 2021

any more I so fed up with this sissy brigade of democrats ! we're doing this & we're doing that ! well guess what - these mf are still on the street & mf 45 is raising all kind's of hell & you just take it ! in china ,he'd be found guilty & taken out back & been eliminated that quickly . just a pissed off vet ! and I know there is a lot more vet's feel the same way ! you get paid a lot of money, - earn it !!!

Richard58

(239 posts)
30. Amen to that!
Fri Oct 8, 2021, 07:38 PM
Oct 2021

I'm a vet too and I am sick to death of the lack of action against these fascists! All I hear is that "An investigation is on going" when it comes to Trump and his lackey's in Congress who tried to do a coup! This has been going on for months and months! I want to see arrests! I want to see the traitors kicked out of Congress! SOMETHING! ANYTHING! Don't just talk about it! DO IT!
Merrick Garland is fucking useless! He seems about as interested in getting to the bottom of this treason as he is for getting a root canal! Don't the Democrats realize that our democracy is hanging by a thread? The Republicans are setting the stage for total political dominance right in front of our eyes and the Democrats just go "Tsk, tsk!" They should be doing everything they can to stop them! They should be ranting about this every night on the news networks! But where is the outrage? I can't stand it! I really can't.

world wide wally

(21,719 posts)
19. We all knew Trump was guilty as hell in Impeachment !, and we all knew he was guilty as hell in
Fri Oct 8, 2021, 06:05 PM
Oct 2021

Impeachment II, yet the GOP Congress let him off in both cases. Now, we all know what he is up to AND exactly what happened on 1/6 and they once again are rewriting history to get the evil prick off the hook.
Sooner or later, we will have to do SOMETHING whether we like it or not. I think sooner would be better, but I am not sure what that "something" is. Do we still have laws by any chance?

pbmus

(12,418 posts)
22. If there are no consequences, ....
Fri Oct 8, 2021, 06:10 PM
Oct 2021

There will be no Democracy….

Chaos will become normal and racist thugs will rule.

AllaN01Bear

(17,374 posts)
25. my anger meter has been busted for a long time .
Fri Oct 8, 2021, 07:04 PM
Oct 2021

quote from my late mom,: if u r female . brown . black, gay . one iota different , or on the forefront of change ,then you are considered liberal.

Roy Rolling

(6,853 posts)
28. Power Hungry
Fri Oct 8, 2021, 07:12 PM
Oct 2021

Whenever you see a power-hungry person you’re looking at the problem in the face.

And it’s not just the fish rotting from the head, it’s every little fish who follows Trumpism. They are power hungry, weak people who will not stop demanding others serve them.

Then, gangs of like-minded miscreants band together to prove they are part of the solution, not the problem.

Which is the problem itself.

TomSlick

(11,034 posts)
31. Agreed. On all points.
Fri Oct 8, 2021, 07:44 PM
Oct 2021

The republic survived the presidency of TFG, if only just. I have no reason to believe it would survive another.

Mr. Evil

(2,747 posts)
33. The thing is,
Fri Oct 8, 2021, 08:09 PM
Oct 2021

these RWNJ's have no endgame. Sure, they love the idea of 'taking over' but, they have no plan. The evangelicals take over? The corporations? If that happens there won't be anymore need for republicans because they will no longer be needed, much less any kind of governance. These people have been conditioned to be angry and afraid every waking hour from AM hate radio and Focksnooze. They just want to break stuff. Seek and destroy until they reach a figurative orgasm. Then they'd wonder why there isn't any food, gas, even sporting events and concerts would stop. No supply chain. No subsidies. Idiots.

We, once and for all, really need to decide just what kind of society we really want to have. I prefer the more equitable one where there is a safety net for all. Human beings have to eat. Human beings need shelter (a fucking home). Human beings (like the ones here at DU) generally like to help uplift other human beings. I know this for a fact. We need to demand that every inhuman republican be called out each and every time they do or say anything that can be deemed inhuman or inhumane. Fuck them! They need to be shamed relentlessly, ruthlessly to the point of being an outright onslaught. Inundate the corporate media with these demands. We could have a society exponentially better than what we have now.

Conservatives (RWNJ's) resist change because they just can't handle any disruption from their personal status quo. Change happens, like it or not. Because if it didn't we'd still be getting around on horseback or covered wagons instead of driving cars that can practically drive themselves. That day, too, is coming soon.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
37. THANK YOU !!! Putin's Whore has done more damage than Osama Bin Laden and we should be treating
Sat Oct 9, 2021, 05:26 AM
Oct 2021

... him and his assholes like that has happened.

Not viewing them through the lens of domestic terrorist is not helping the country

Kaleva

(36,146 posts)
39. It's possible participation in social media and discussion boards
Sat Oct 9, 2021, 07:36 AM
Oct 2021

csn make one more angry.

Hanging out with others who are also angry much of the time reinforces the feeling of outrage

Scrivener7

(50,773 posts)
59. Or, as in this case, some behavior is so criminal and outrageous that outrage
Sat Oct 9, 2021, 11:22 AM
Oct 2021

is the only sane response.

hamsterjill

(15,214 posts)
40. Thank you for posting the reality.
Sat Oct 9, 2021, 07:52 AM
Oct 2021

I agree with you 100%.

I tire of the “cheerleaders” on DU defending the status quo. The status quo is going to end democracy and allow our few remaining freedoms to go down the drain. We must fight. We need elected leaders who will fight for us against the enemy - and stop refusing to believe there even is an enemy.

Manchin and Sinema need to be dealt with. Exposed for what they are and treated accordingly. Whatever it takes. If Dems don’t get their shit together right now, Trump may very well be back in power in 2024 if not before. Putin is dictating this novel and I refuse to believe we are safe any more because we are not.

Definitely time for drastic measures.

Kaleva

(36,146 posts)
41. What are you doing about it
Sat Oct 9, 2021, 07:59 AM
Oct 2021

How are you dealing with Senators Manchin and Sinema?

People who care take action. Those who don't do little or nothing.

hamsterjill

(15,214 posts)
42. And here we go.
Sat Oct 9, 2021, 08:06 AM
Oct 2021

Right on cue.

What am I supposed to be doing about it? I work hard to get Dems elected. It’s the party leaders’ responsibility to figure things out and get done what they promised me when I voted for them.

Stop. The. Same. Tired. Deflection. Replies like this are old and worn out. It’s not my job to do the job for those who sought and gained political office. They wanted it. They campaigned. I listened to their platforms. Worked to get them elected. They are in office now, so now let them do their fucking jobs.

As to Manchin and Sinema, there are ways. If I type it out here, I’ll just be alerted because I don’t care if it’s “legal” of not. They need to be brought in line.

Do you even understand that Trump is a real threat?

Kaleva

(36,146 posts)
73. Then bring them in line
Sun Oct 10, 2021, 09:18 PM
Oct 2021

Talking tough on the internet may bring one a sense of self satisfaction but does little.

Hunger strikes and peaceful civil disobedience has proven to be effective tactics in bringing about change. Look at the examples of MLK, Malcom X, Nelson Mandela, Harvey Milk and so many others set. People who risked everything fighting, peacefully, for what they believed was right. Even Cindy Sheehan gave up her marriage, job, and friends for her cause.

As it's a scientific fact that people respond with great vigor and risk much in dealing with issues that they deem of great importance, as shown by the examples I gave above, one would think that those here who profess to be greatly upset about something would behave the same way. It's also a fact that a human takes little to no action when facing an issue deemed of little to no importance.

I do not know you and as my short term memory is going out the window, have no recollection of ever engaging with you before on any subject. My criticism, as this is a discussion board and we discuss things, based on my opinion is that your choice of words and how you phrase it doesn't quite jive with what you plan to do or are doing. That is all.

Your comment:

"Do you even understand that Trump is a real threat?"

IMO, climate change is the biggest threat of all and preparing for what scientists predict will happen in the region I live in is what I spend much time on.

hamsterjill

(15,214 posts)
87. You sure do assume a lot.
Sun Oct 10, 2021, 10:29 PM
Oct 2021

So, it is your opinion that unless I tell you specifically what I do or don’t do to support the Democratic agenda, then I’m just “talking tough on the internet”?

You want to know how much money I contribute? To which candidates? How many volunteer hours I give and for which campaign? Maybe if I have a yard sign or wear a cap or a button? I mean, why do I owe an explanation to you to justify my opinion? Who made you the authority on what DU’ers should think?

I don’t think any of that is any of your damn business. Have a great evening.

orleans

(33,987 posts)
89. so... back at ya: in your opinion "climate change is the biggest threat of all"
Mon Oct 11, 2021, 12:26 AM
Oct 2021

and so that is apparently, according to you, what you "spend much time on."

so i'm wondering

"What are you doing about it" specifically?

"How are you dealing with" climate change?

"People who care take action. Those who don't do little or nothing."

Kaleva

(36,146 posts)
91. Read my posts about what I'm doing.
Wed Oct 13, 2021, 05:27 AM
Oct 2021

I read what I can about what climate change is expected to bring to the area where I live. Hotter summers, longer growing season, milder winters, heavy rains and such. There is expected to be shortages of items as the nation adjusts to the farm belt moving north and because of mass migration.

In order to ride out shortages, particularly of essentials like food, I've been doing the following:

I'm well into converting my entire backyard into a garden and orchard. The garden is there and half the orchard. Next year I'll be planting 16 fruit trees.

I've learned to can foods, both pressure and hot water bath methods, and this fall I've fermented tomatoes and will soon be making homemade kimchi and sauerkraut.

The pantry is pretty well stocked and I can go 45 days or so with what I got on hand. My goal is to get up to 6 months so my wife and I can ride out the shortages when they happen.

I'm almost done constructing a root cellar underneath the rear basement entry way. Where I can store root crops like rutabaga, carrots, parsnip and where I can keep my buckets of fermented foods like sauerkraut, kimchi, tomatoes, and snap peas.

I've identified edible weeds that grow in the garden and have made salads out of them. Clover, dandelions, and purslane.

Because of the predicated hotter summers, I'm putting together a rain capture system. I have one 275 gallon water tote already and want to get 2 more. The 3 will be located behind the garage and replenished by rainwater that falls on the roof of the storage building and gutters will direct the water to the totes. The totes will feed the drip irrigation lines that will water the rows of blueberries, honeyberries, raspberries and asparagus that I have already planted and the fruit trees I'll be planting next year.

I bought fishing equipment so I can fish for suckers at the river two miles away. I plan on learning to can and pickle the fish. Being so busy this year, I didn't bother to get a fishing license as I knew I didn't have time to fish. Maybe next year.

I built shelves in the basement to store home canned items but need to build more.

I put together a recipe book that contains recipes for meals that I can make using the stovetop of my LP gas oven which I can light using a torch light in case electricity goes out.

I have a plastic tote in the basement that contains the materials needed to make emergency candles. In that small tote, I have packets of seeds so in case seeds are not available, like last year, I can still plant a garden. I have enough on hand for 3 years worth and I rotate the stock. Replacing unused older seed packets with new ones as needed.

To deal with shortages of TP, I installed bidets on the toilets in the master bathroom and hallway bathroom. They have cut down on the amount of TP we use.

I'm hoping to replace my 500 gallon LP tank with a 1000 gallon tank. I've called around and it will cost me 3 grand and it'll be awhile before I have that amount of money. I may get another 500 gallon tank instead and tie it in parallel with the one I already have.

My wife and I each bought a pedal bike this year so we can get around town during good weather in case of a gas shortage.

There's more but I'm getting tired of typing. Below is a link to other plans and projects:

"Events have pretty much overwhelmed my plans for this year.
Been reading some of my older posts here where I discuss my plans. It's now near the end of August so much of that will be placed on the backburner.

Babysitting at least twice a week, getting older and not having the stamina I once had, doing plumbing and electrical work on the side for a neighbor when I can physically do that and with my wife being ill much of this year, doing a good part of the house work and all the cooking pretty much eats up the week.

But I've also had some success this year. The layout of the vegetable garden is to my satisfaction. I was able to plant a 40' long row of asparagus to the east of the garden and I was also able to plant a 40' row of raspberries, a 40' row of blueberries and a 30' row of honeyberries. Further to the east of that, the plots for the fruit trees are plotted out and worked up and I hope to start planting those next year. I'm well over half done with the root cellar with the hardest part, the digging out and laying of cement block walls, completed.

Here is my list I posted earlier this year:

"Spend time fishing for suckers and learning how to clean, can and pickle them. There is no daily limit on how many one can catch.

Install a vent free LP gas heater in the basement. They don't cost much and it would be quite useful during a power outage during winter. Another option would be to install a flex gas line to terminate in the office and when needed, I could hook up the gas heater to the line. This setup would provide more heat to the main living area rather then having to rise up the basement stairs, into the kitchen and then to the upstairs

Plant the summer bearing and fall bearing raspberry plants I have already ordered and paid for.

Install an emergency waterless toilet in the basement next to the utility sink. Also install a shelf near the basement ceiling for a 5 gallon bucket that would supply water to the utility sink, if needed, and will be for hand washing. I have the materials for this. Just need to build it.

Install rain gutters on the storage building to divert water to the 275 gallon water tote I have in the back of the storage building.

Purchase 2 more 275 gallon water totes and place them in the back of the storage building and to be fed by the rain gutters. This water will be used to water the garden and orchard using soaker hoses or watering can. As the one I already have and the ones I plan to purchase are used, I don't know what they contained in the past so i will only use them for watering the garden and orchard.

Purchase at least one touring bike. I could sell my scooter to pay the cost for a good quality bike.

Build a 8'X4'X4' cold storage bin in the basement.

Visit yard and estate sales to buy hand tools and garden tools.

Lose 30 lbs and exercise on a regular basis.

Replace current 500 gallon LP tank with a 1000 gallon tank or add another 500 gallon tank to the one I already have. This would allow me to purchase more gas in summer when it's about a $1 a gallon cheaper then it is in later winter.

Build more selves in the basement for home canned foods.

Construct a biosand water filtration system.

Take an on line American Red Cross Adult, Child and Baby First Aid/CPR/AED course.

Purchase a quality first aid kit and adult/child CPR mask.

Purchase a quality hand crank/solar AM/FM/NOAA weather radio with 2000mAh power bank and USB cell phone charger

Purchase a single shot break action 20 gauge shotgun for home defense, hunting and varmint control.

Purchase 2 30 gal or bigger heavy duty trash cans with lids to be used as storage and in an emergency, to collect rainwater from the house roof.

Learn to make Pemmican and make it.

Become adept at using cattail roots as food.

Learn how to and become proficient in at making basic breads such as sailor biscuits, tortillas and Navajo bread.

Repair and get working the portable gas generator. This would be important to keep the fridge and freezers cold during the warmer months. Not so critical in winter.

Get back on track with taking free on line courses at Khan Academy. What I had learned from their basic geometry class came in handy when laying out the garden.

Continue working to convert backyard into a garden and orchard. Lay down sheets of cardboard between the raised rows in the garden and cover with a thick mulch of hay. I'll be getting topsoil from a neighbor to build up the berms where the fruit trees will be planted in the near future.

Give the basement a really good cleaning and keep it clean in case I need to use it as a primary living space. Acquire camping gear that I could use to make the basement a living area such as cots, folding camping chairs, folding tables and such.


The above will be paid for with the money i will be making baby sitting.

I'll update this as I make progress on and complete projects."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/11284713

I'm under no illusion that I can do anything to combat climate change. What I can do do is learn and work at preparing to adapt to what reputable scientists and experts predict is going to happen.

Roisin Ni Fiachra

(2,574 posts)
51. Here ya go -
Sat Oct 9, 2021, 09:51 AM
Oct 2021
Ruben Gallego is left's favorite to take on Sinema

Rep. Ruben Gallego (D) has emerged as an early favorite to primary Sen. Kyrsten Sinema (D) in Arizona as fury on the left grows over her opposition to the party’s sweeping reconciliation package.

As Democrats’ patience with Sinema runs out amid negotiations over the $3.5 trillion social policy and climate change package, Gallego, a 41-year-old in his fourth term representing a Phoenix-based district, has found himself at the center of an effort to oppose Sinema’s reelection in 2024.

Progressives are already laying the groundwork for a potential primary challenge, and one campaign, Run Ruben Run, has set its sights specifically on recruiting Gallego into the race.

For now, at least, many Democrats remain wary of the early efforts to challenge Sinema from the inside. They’re holding out hope that she reverses course and gets behind the reconciliation bill. But in conversations with The Hill, half a dozen Democratic activists and party insiders said that a primary is not off the table and pointed to Gallego as a top prospect if Sinema continues to hold out on the party’s key legislative priorities.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/575675-democrats-eye-gallego-amid-growing-frustration-with-sinema


There's no way to negotiate with Sinema. Her GOP like lack of clarity and transparency have already proven her to be unfit for a seat as a Democratic Senator. She's already former Senator walking. Ruben Gallego, a Democrat will be taking over her Senate seat in 2025.

If Kyrsten Sinema won't vote to protect us from climate change, to stop the Republican assault on voting rights, and to support the Biden agenda, then we need a Senator who will. Tell Congressman Ruben Gallego to challenge Sinema in the 2024 Democratic primary for U.S. Senate.

https://runruben.run/

Scrivener7

(50,773 posts)
60. Someone asks this silly question every time this subject is raised. Are you thinking
Sat Oct 9, 2021, 11:28 AM
Oct 2021

it makes a point? Because it really doesn't.

People are saying they want to see action and are afraid of the consequences if they don't.

Is there a reason why you and others don't want this statement made? If so, what is it? Why do you and others keep denigrating those who are asking to see some action? Why keep trying to shut them down?

Grasswire2

(13,564 posts)
68. THANK YOU.
Sat Oct 9, 2021, 04:29 PM
Oct 2021

A thousand times.

Some people here want rank and file Dems to shut up. I will push back against that trend every time I see it.

Let the people speak.

Every voter has a voice and a legitimate right to speak.

Stop stepping on them, those of you who feel so inclined.

It almost seems sometimes as if some people are hired to come here and tamp down the hoi polloi.

hamsterjill

(15,214 posts)
70. I agree.
Sat Oct 9, 2021, 07:04 PM
Oct 2021

Especially about the fact that it’s almost like some are paid to push a particular narrative, right?

Thank you for your post.

Kaleva

(36,146 posts)
76. Instead of just talking, people should do more.
Sun Oct 10, 2021, 09:28 PM
Oct 2021

If one thinks the situation is extreme, then take extreme, legal, action. If one is mildly bummed about something, then contribute, make phone calls or email or post your displeasure on a discussion board.

Rhetoric should match the actions taken.

hamsterjill

(15,214 posts)
86. Seriously, right?
Sun Oct 10, 2021, 10:17 PM
Oct 2021

It sure gets old.

I don’t feel that I have an obligation to explain to that poster what I do or do not do so that he/she can approve or disapprove. Do you?

hamsterjill

(15,214 posts)
69. Another thank you.
Sat Oct 9, 2021, 07:03 PM
Oct 2021

Yes, we have a whole group of the “well what are YOU” doing about it” folks.

Yes, I want actions. And

Hell yes, I am definitely fearful of what will happen if there is none.

I want that action from those elected to act.

Scrivener7

(50,773 posts)
75. I do. I work hard to get Democrats elected. That's how this works.
Sun Oct 10, 2021, 09:25 PM
Oct 2021

And you haven't answered my question:
Why do you and others keep denigrating those who are asking to see some action? Why keep trying to shut them down?

Kaleva

(36,146 posts)
79. I'm not trying to shut them down. I'm trying to encourage them to take greater actions
Sun Oct 10, 2021, 09:36 PM
Oct 2021

If one truly thinks that something is of the greatest importance or presents a grave danger, then respond with with everything you have. Working to get Dems elected is what most everyone here does even in the best of times.

Scrivener7

(50,773 posts)
81. Yes, I saw above where you tell us we should not express our wish to see action unless
Sun Oct 10, 2021, 09:45 PM
Oct 2021

we wage hunger strikes, give up our families, jobs and friends, be like Mandela (go to jail?), MLK, Malcolm X and Harvey Milk. (be assassinated?)

This is what is called trying to shut down discussion.

PS: And have YOU waged a hunger strike, given up your family job and friends, gone to jail or gotten assassinated? If not, what gives YOU the right to tell others they need to do so in order to express their wish to see action?

Kaleva

(36,146 posts)
82. I'll try explain it again in another way
Sun Oct 10, 2021, 09:58 PM
Oct 2021

If one isn't willing to risk much when dealing with an issue, then that issue isn't of the greatest importance or presents a grave danger.

If one responds to an issue with what one may regard as normal or average methods, like working to get Dems elected, something most here do all the time, then the issue is of average importance.

Your comment:

"PS: And have YOU waged a hunger strike, given up your family job and friends, gone to jail or gotten yourself assassinated? If not, what gives YOU the right to tell others they need to do so in order to express their wish to see action."

This is a discussion board and as long as I follow the rules, I can say what I want. Same with you and others. I've never engaged in anything you mentioned because I don't engage in in hyperbole. If you follow my posts, you'll see that I often talk about climate change and how I'm working on preparing for what's predicted to happen in the region I live in. Going on a hunger strike, getting arrested or shot would not be conducive in helping me to achieve my goals. Now if I thought it was of extreme importance others prepare for what's coming, then getting arrested , going on a hunger strike or even risk death would be viable options. If I thought is was of some importance that others prepare, then I'd probably just limit myself to posting about it here on DU which I have done.

Scrivener7

(50,773 posts)
83. You don't need to explain it another way. It isn't that you are not understood.
Sun Oct 10, 2021, 10:04 PM
Oct 2021

It is that your position is a bit absurd.

And it is all in the interests of shutting down people who are simply asking to see some action against a reign of lawlessness that played in front of our eyes for 4 years.

And yes, I understand that you will tell me again that I must not simply say that, I should go on a hunger strike in protest of that lawlessness.

Hence, my statement that your position is a bit absurd.

Kaleva

(36,146 posts)
84. You'll respond to the degree of how important the issue is to you.
Sun Oct 10, 2021, 10:11 PM
Oct 2021

If you think it's of average importance, you'll keep on doing what you've been doing and that's perfectly fine. Just be honest with yourself.

Scrivener7

(50,773 posts)
85. You're simply trying to shut up people who are expressing a wish to see some action. Just be
Sun Oct 10, 2021, 10:15 PM
Oct 2021

honest with yourself.

Kaleva

(36,146 posts)
93. As it's impossible for me, you, or others to shut up anyone,
Wed Oct 13, 2021, 05:22 PM
Oct 2021

your argument has no basis in fact.

People can only shut themselves up. Usually by not following the rules and getting a post hidden which locks them out of the thread.

Kaleva

(36,146 posts)
80. I am letting them speak. I'm also trying to encourage them to do more.
Sun Oct 10, 2021, 09:41 PM
Oct 2021

Make the extra effort in dealing with an issue they deem of great importance. Time and time again I suggested following the examples of MLK, Malcom X, Cindy Sheehan, Harvey Milk, Nelson Mandela and others.

Firestorm49

(4,002 posts)
52. That's exactly how I replied to a FB post from
Sat Oct 9, 2021, 09:51 AM
Oct 2021

Pramila Jayapal. She was talking about the need to pass the Build It Back Better bill and how important it is. I reminded her that unless stringent voting laws are passed, it won’t matter.

Time has passed to be polite. The time to fight like a junk yard dog is NOW. Jesus, Democratic legislators, get off if you ass and show the fascists that we are in this game too.

Grasswire2

(13,564 posts)
71. +++++++++++++++
Sat Oct 9, 2021, 07:17 PM
Oct 2021

We are always admonished to "Look forward, not back"

And that is precisely why we are where we are.

Justice delayed is justice denied.

GOP has been getting away with crimes for decades now. Time to bring the hammer of the law down, hard.

Hotler

(11,353 posts)
55. I think it is important that we start refering to repugs as fascist or the fascist party.
Sat Oct 9, 2021, 10:17 AM
Oct 2021

It's time to hang that label around their neck.

Lonestarblue

(9,880 posts)
61. I'm sorry to admit that I have lost most of my optimism about our future.
Sat Oct 9, 2021, 11:37 AM
Oct 2021

Manchin and Sinema refuse to end the filibuster and get legislation like voting rights passed, which means they are handing Congress to the Republicans in 2022. We can work our butts off, and will, but Republicans have their plans in place to create their own wins regardless of who voters vote for. Texas has gerrymandered the state to ensure more Republicans in the House. Other red states are doing the same, just as they’re preparing their own legislation to outlaw abortion.

Thanks to these two Senators, the Biden agenda is being watered down to the point of meaninglessness while taxes remain extremely low for the ultra wealthy. This is the opportunity to reform the federal district courts and add PR and DC as states, but Democrats are doing nothing because of two holdouts who would rather see the country go down the tubes than kill a stupid Senate rule that is not part of the Constitution and the Founders never intended for passing legislation. We are at an impasse, accomplishing very little, other than wasting time we do not have.

Our only hope to get anything done after the 2022 election is to have a net gain of two Senate seats so we can make these two immaterial. And even then the Senate would have to pass the House legislation with no changes because we are unlikely to have a House majority after 2022. This makes me ill.

DownriverDem

(6,206 posts)
65. For months
Sat Oct 9, 2021, 04:19 PM
Oct 2021

I've been saying that we must focus on GOTV for the Midterms of 2022 or the Biden/Harris agenda is not moving forward. We want it all, but politics is not getting it all at once. We need to win more elections and get more votes in Congress.

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