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For better and for worse, that kind of sums it up.
JohnSJ
(91,965 posts)Budi
(15,325 posts)Stop grandstanding for the Media & get the fk back to work. With their fat taxpayer gifted payckecks, they better start showing their worth. Get tf off their high horses & start moving this country forward.
Call the vote & let the grandstanders show their hand.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)Tom Rinaldo
(22,911 posts)Even so some good things have been/will be possible compared to where we would have been had we lost even one of those Georgia January runoff seats.
The 2022 map is such that Dems could actually pick up a Senate seat of two if we have a good year. Assuming we can hold the House more possibilities could start opening up then
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AZSkiffyGeek
(10,814 posts)He's going to hem and haw, be concerned, demand concessions, and eventually vote with us.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)He's also very known and dependable to his Democratic colleagues. He's famous for his position that if he can explain it to his people in WV he'll vote for it. If he can't, he won't.
Collins, push come to shove, will dependably sell out her principles to be allowed to keep her seat. She serves McConnell first.
AZSkiffyGeek
(10,814 posts)Collins will hem and haw, be concerned, flirt with the opposition (from her perspective) and then vote with her party anyway.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)in order to protect her seat from backlash at home. That said, I haven't read if her vote to impeach tRump fit that pattern or not.
AZSkiffyGeek
(10,814 posts)Like Manchin's vote for Boof - it didn't make any difference, but it was probably the only reason he survived in 2018.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)Every other time, she's a hard right trumpanzee just like the rest of them.
AZSkiffyGeek
(10,814 posts)We should never expect her vote, and wooing her won't sway legislation one way or the other.
Budi
(15,325 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Budi
(15,325 posts)Budi
(15,325 posts)There's a bunch of gransdstanders addicted to seeing themselves on the Corporate Media daily TV parade lineup.
Stfu & go earn your damned big fat taxpayer gifted paychecks.
Call the vote & see who gives 2 shits about starting to move this country forward.
Bit by bit if it must be.
Biden's BBB plan shouldn't even be a difficult decision.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,911 posts)I think you are right, except that Republicans had a vote or two to spare when they last controlled the Senate, so they seldom needed her vote (but it did happen.)
AZSkiffyGeek
(10,814 posts)I don't believe they will be the ones to sink Biden's agenda, but they'll stretch it out as far as possible. But if they weren't needed, Schumer would let them vote against it, as long as they weren't the deciding votes.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)He's very solid in red WV, well liked as governor, well liked as senator, reelected with strong support. It's a red state. He could always have run as a Republican -- and be a member of a 51-49 Republican majority caucus controlled by McConnell now -- but didn't.
AZSkiffyGeek
(10,814 posts)And I'll admit that. I'll also cut my support if she does sink Biden's agenda. But for all her maverick-ey posturing she tends to come home in the end.
It's her silence on everything (except being criticized for her silence) that is frustrating. For all the leaks from anonymous staffers she doesn't show her cards, and I think she's playing petty politics over being criticized for everything right now.
She's certainly earned a lot of legit criticism (her unresponsiveness and unavailability to her constituents, poor image management and responses to criticism) - but some of it is sexist (the way she dresses), some of it is contextual (I think some of her fundraising criticisms are more of the same things every member of Congress does regularly) and some is pure speculation (she's a secret Republican who started as a Green to infiltrate the party from the left, etc).
That said, if she's basing the whole performance on McCain's sinking the Obamacare repeal, she IS setting us up for an embarassing fall.
But I think Biden and Schumer are cleverer than Turtle and TFG.
DFW
(54,057 posts)For all her concern about her own partys disgusting excesses, she has voted for those excesses when the time came to either stand up to, or with, Mitch McTurtle. For all his posturing, Manchin does tend vote with his party.
Raven123
(4,716 posts)Silent3
(15,020 posts)...red-hot spikes stabbed into both eyes. Better, but not the kind of better you cheer about.