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ck4829

(34,966 posts)
Tue Oct 19, 2021, 11:34 AM Oct 2021

"Instead of vaccinations, we should give people weakened forms of those diseases!"

Right-wing activist Matt Couch appeared on “The Todd Coconato Show” last week, where he declared that rather than getting vaccinated, wearing masks, and taking steps to limit the spread of the COVID-19 virus, people should be intentionally exposing themselves to the virus as a form of “self-inoculation.”

Couch, who earlier this year was forced to apologize for and retract his coverage of the murder of Democratic National Committee staffer Seth Rich after being sued by members of Rich’s family, insisted that people should do what soldiers did during the Revolutionary War when they intentionally infected themselves with smallpox in order to build immunity to the virus.

“They didn’t beat smallpox by from hiding from it, from wearing masks, or running from it,” Couch continued. “They would make like an incision on their arm or their leg so they would get smallpox, and they knew that they were gonna lose some troops. So, when you hear what our founders did to win the Revolutionary War, and you realize that they self-inoculated—both Benedict Arnold and Benjamin Franklin, they basically expressed fears that the virus would be the Army’s ultimate downfall if they didn’t do the self-inoculation—and they listened to smart people. We didn’t have virologists back then, folks, but they were smart enough even then to figure this out. So, you know, Pastor Todd, if they can figure this out in 1777 and we’re having a problem with it now, it makes no sense.”

“Self-inoculation,” as Couch calls it, was really an early form of vaccination, and the “smart people” like George Washington knew that it was an effective way of preventing the spread of smallpox among the troops, which is precisely why he mandated that all soldiers be inoculated.

https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/matt-couch-urges-self-inoculation-instead-of-vaccinations-without-realizing-theyre-basically-the-same-thing/

Sleep is awfully inefficient, I think it would be better if we all had several hours of reduced consciousness.

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"Instead of vaccinations, we should give people weakened forms of those diseases!" (Original Post) ck4829 Oct 2021 OP
You first, Matt. Buns_of_Fire Oct 2021 #1
Rust doesn't cause tetanus. Aristus Oct 2021 #6
What does, exactly? ColinC Oct 2021 #8
Clostridium tetani Chuuku Davis Oct 2021 #10
puncture wounds introduce the bugs into your system.... getagrip_already Oct 2021 #12
Here's What I Remember ProfessorGAC Oct 2021 #20
The above answers are perfect. Aristus Oct 2021 #13
So how would a car airbag cause it? lagomorph777 Oct 2021 #16
Understand Timewas Oct 2021 #2
Dentists practiced bloodletting too EYESORE 9001 Oct 2021 #5
"Liberals hate this! They don't want you to know about the miraculous healing powers of trepanning!" ck4829 Oct 2021 #7
Yes, an early form of vaccination. LisaL Oct 2021 #17
Says a moron with no medical training whatsoever... MineralMan Oct 2021 #3
Hey Matt I bet it would work even better if you innoculated with ivermectin. yellowcanine Oct 2021 #4
Ah ok, Corgigal Oct 2021 #9
What century is this?! Mad_Machine76 Oct 2021 #11
Actually,Jenner inoculated with cowpox viva la Oct 2021 #14
Some of those self-inoculating morons will end up LisaL Oct 2021 #15
Is he talking about a traditional attenuated vaccine? democrattotheend Oct 2021 #18
China has used several vaccines containing killed covid virus. LisaL Oct 2021 #19

Buns_of_Fire

(17,119 posts)
1. You first, Matt.
Tue Oct 19, 2021, 11:43 AM
Oct 2021

I think I have a rusty knife out in the shed I'll gladly let you use to make your incision.

Oh, yeah. Tetanus.

Don't worry about it. You'll be self-inoculating yourself for that, too. No charge.

getagrip_already

(14,225 posts)
12. puncture wounds introduce the bugs into your system....
Tue Oct 19, 2021, 01:34 PM
Oct 2021

Which is why if you step on a nail in a field, a doctor would recommend a tetnus shot if you weren't current. Really any dirty puncture wound could be a pathway.

I don't know where the rusty association came from. Probably just an association between a sharp object and the outdoors.

ProfessorGAC

(64,413 posts)
20. Here's What I Remember
Tue Oct 19, 2021, 04:11 PM
Oct 2021

The rusty nail thing came from the most common reasons for getting a puncture wound.
It's more likely to step on a nail in some old boards or something like that, because people don't put new nails into new boards and let them lay around.
So the rusty thing got associated with tetanus instead of the bacteria which caused it.
Doctors have known for over a hundred years that rust had nothing to do with, but the likeliest cause of stepping on a rusty nail was the circumstantial evidence needed for the masses the connect the two.

Aristus

(66,075 posts)
13. The above answers are perfect.
Tue Oct 19, 2021, 02:33 PM
Oct 2021

When tetanus first started to be explored clinically, a lot of the initial patients were farmers who reported puncturing themselves on exposed nails out in their barns. The common wisdom got out that rusty nails cause tetanus, when in fact, it was the animal manure (loaded with bacteria, including clostridium) on the nails themselves that was the culprit. No exposure to feces or other bearers of C. tetani, no tetanus.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
16. So how would a car airbag cause it?
Tue Oct 19, 2021, 03:36 PM
Oct 2021

I got sideswiped by a truck, which set off my airbag and caused minor skin scuffs. They gave me a tetanus shot. I guess it was just a way to collect a few more bucks.

EYESORE 9001

(25,808 posts)
5. Dentists practiced bloodletting too
Tue Oct 19, 2021, 12:03 PM
Oct 2021

Perhaps nostalgia for archaic medical practices will bring this back too.

ck4829

(34,966 posts)
7. "Liberals hate this! They don't want you to know about the miraculous healing powers of trepanning!"
Tue Oct 19, 2021, 12:11 PM
Oct 2021

There's something you really shouldn't post in the sarcasm-free zones of Twitter.

I don't recommend posting that quote several times at all.

LisaL

(44,962 posts)
17. Yes, an early form of vaccination.
Tue Oct 19, 2021, 03:39 PM
Oct 2021

Because they didn't have safe and effective vaccines at the time.
Still people were willing to go through it.

"Mrs. Adams wrote that Nabby was so sore “that she can neither walk sit stand or lie with any comfort.” But “at present all my attention is taken up with the care of our Little Charles who has been very bad. The Symptoms rose to a burning fever… and delirium ensued for 48 hours.”"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/12/12/abigail-adams-smallpox-coronavirus-vaccine/

viva la

(3,224 posts)
14. Actually,Jenner inoculated with cowpox
Tue Oct 19, 2021, 03:28 PM
Oct 2021

Which is related but not smallpox.

Fascinating story about how orphans boys brought the vaccine to America.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/617646/

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
18. Is he talking about a traditional attenuated vaccine?
Tue Oct 19, 2021, 03:58 PM
Oct 2021

If so, I agree with him to an extent. Most of my unvaccinated family members say they would take a traditional attenuated vaccine. There appear to be several in use in other parts of the world or in development, but the FDA has refused to grant any of them EUA and has been slow to review their applications for full approval. Is that what this guy is talking about, or is he basically talking about coronavirus parties?

LisaL

(44,962 posts)
19. China has used several vaccines containing killed covid virus.
Tue Oct 19, 2021, 04:01 PM
Oct 2021

Their efficacy is not that high. As for what he is talking about, I have no clue if he wants covid parties or dead virus vaccines.

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