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Wed Nov 17, 2021, 02:02 AM

From an old hippie

Donít lose your empathy for the right wing. They might indeed be (mostly) impossible to convince. The main point is to not let them change you into a mirror image of them. We are the party of empathy, of caring about the neediest of us. And it would be good if you could extend that to them. Love, for lack of a better word, is powerful and can change minds. This is our super power.

This is the first op I have done for years.

Edit: what Iím thinking about is any one on one interaction. I think itís better to treat that person with respect and listen to them without trying to zing them. As a group, itís better to try to see their perspective rather than cutting them down with stereotypes about southern hillbillies and such. Itís just off putting and not productive. I like country music and kind of admire people who get their living from growing things. Education is good and I trust my intellect more than my gut feelings or common sense, but the large majority of people donít and thatís not bad really.

Remember that the powers that be are trying to divide us but we all have a common enemy: the rich and powerful.

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scipan Nov 2021 OP
viva la Nov 2021 #1
scipan Nov 2021 #2
traitorsgalore Nov 2021 #12
viva la Nov 2021 #13
scipan Nov 2021 #24
Raine Nov 2021 #3
scipan Nov 2021 #5
canetoad Nov 2021 #4
scipan Nov 2021 #6
proud patriot Nov 2021 #7
Wounded Bear Nov 2021 #8
AKwannabe Nov 2021 #9
betsuni Nov 2021 #10
druidity33 Nov 2021 #11
yowzayowzayowza Nov 2021 #21
Name removed Nov 2021 #14
yardwork Nov 2021 #15
PDT69 Nov 2021 #16
Roisin Ni Fiachra Nov 2021 #17
llmart Nov 2021 #18
scipan Nov 2021 #22
bullwinkle428 Nov 2021 #19
womanofthehills Nov 2021 #20
scipan Nov 2021 #23
myohmy2 Nov 2021 #25

Response to scipan (Original post)

Wed Nov 17, 2021, 02:20 AM

1. I agree- and part of that empathy is realizing-

that many rightwingers don't have it. They can't feel with/for others in this same way. So we can't assume that what makes us understand what's going on will work with them.
I'm not sure what will work with them!

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Response to viva la (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 17, 2021, 02:38 AM

2. Only about 4% of the population is truly sociopathic.

The thing is to me, you donít know if the person you are interacting with on Twitter or wherever is one of the 4% but they are probably not. I have had some success giving them some personal information to make them realize I am human.

Thereís no loss and a good possibility of at least having a real conversation.

Thanks for responding. I really appreciate it.

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Response to scipan (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 17, 2021, 08:11 AM

12. There's a big possibility of loss of your life if the repuke is an anti-vaxxed covidiot maskhole

Go ahead and converse with them, I'm not wasting my time trying to teach a bunch of fascists a lesson in humanity.

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Response to scipan (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 17, 2021, 09:09 AM

13. People can be encouraged also to be better or worse

An extreme example... the same country that followed Hitler transitioned into a good global citizen.

It's hard to know how to achieve that, but we have to start by believing people can change. The German citizens were far more molded and battered after the war than our Trumpers, who after all just had to survive losing an election. And they came back.

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Response to viva la (Reply #13)

Tue Nov 23, 2021, 12:35 AM

24. I wish I could recommend.

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Response to scipan (Original post)

Wed Nov 17, 2021, 02:52 AM

3. Very good advice, thank you for sharing

it's nice to have a poster advocating empathy. Too much here is vengeful and it gets very depressing to see it avocated again and again.

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Response to Raine (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 17, 2021, 02:57 AM

5. Nice to know there are others who feel the same way.

Iím justice deprived like a lot here, but I donít see a contradiction.

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Response to scipan (Original post)

Wed Nov 17, 2021, 02:52 AM

4. Good post

I have no idea how my immediate neighbours vote but I am open about valuing the people who live to the left, right, behind and opposite me. They are my best neighbourhood resource and I value them and hopefully I'm a good neighbour that they, too value. If only everyone valued their immediate neighbours .....

Life's too short....

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Response to canetoad (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 17, 2021, 03:02 AM

6. Yes. We are all just people.

I really think the division is propagated by the rich and powerful.

I wonder if it would be different if we had a pub on every corner.

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Response to scipan (Original post)

Wed Nov 17, 2021, 03:20 AM

7. A good Reminder for all of us

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Response to scipan (Original post)

Wed Nov 17, 2021, 03:51 AM

8. Tought to do, but understood...

after all, one toxic effect of hatred is that people easily start to hate back.

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Response to scipan (Original post)

Wed Nov 17, 2021, 04:41 AM

9. Well said

And well met Scipan.

Thank you for the reminder.

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Response to scipan (Original post)

Wed Nov 17, 2021, 05:22 AM

10. Hippies were nice!

I dislike it when the term "hippie-punching" is used incorrectly. If those claiming to be very progressive insult Democrats as corrupt, same as Republicans, coastal elites, neoliberals, bribed, warmongers, corporate and on and on, if someone fights back against these lies, it's not "hippie punching." Hippies would never be so aggressive and horrible and attack people -- they weren't populists or libertarians. Old hippies are nice.

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Response to scipan (Original post)

Wed Nov 17, 2021, 07:06 AM

11. I've just read a book called "Think Again"

That advocates doing just this. The book is mostly about how to think with a "scientific" mind. But it is really instructive on how helpful rethinking and changing your mind can be. Empathy plays a big part in this. It's mostly social science/behavioral science stuff... but he makes the topic fascinating (similar to a Malcolm Gladwell book). It's a new book and it was written in part to examine how to change the mind of anti-vaxxers. The author is Adam Grant. I got it from my local library.


K&R

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Response to druidity33 (Reply #11)

Wed Nov 17, 2021, 01:14 PM

21. Thanks for the recommendation!!

Just ordered it for a ... reluctant ... relative.

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Response to scipan (Original post)

Wed Nov 17, 2021, 09:32 AM

15. Thanks for this OP.

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Response to scipan (Original post)

Wed Nov 17, 2021, 09:48 AM

16. Good post.

 

I think the problem lies when we try and go to far Left or to far Right. The only way to get along is to meet in the middle somewhere. If we can't do this, this country will fail and we will all lose. To label everyone that thinks differently as a racist, homophob, libtard, white supremacist, clansman, socialist, communist, nazi, etc. only divides us and breeds hate. If this is what we do then we all become bigots. Take a step back and ask yourself the question; am I part of the solution or part of the problem??? We can not survive as a nation without each other.

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Response to scipan (Original post)

Wed Nov 17, 2021, 10:00 AM

17. I don't associate with them, and feel no need to converse with them.

I'm long done with that. They all parrot Fox News and hate radio BS over and over. I don't tolerate bullshit well, and see no need to put up with it. It is a frustrating waste of my time and energy, and causes me too much unnecessary stress.

https://boards.fool.com/dead-parrot-script-in-full-16315509.aspx

I grew up with them, and don't hate them, but feel sorry for them, and consider their ignorance and foolishness a rapidly growing danger to me, my family, and my country. I grew things for a living at one time; not all people who grow things, or who grew up in, and still live in, rural areas are RW.

It is a mistake to romanticize RWers based on misconceived notions about them. I deal with tangible RWer hatred of me whenever I'm in a public places, because it is obvious that an *enviro-commie pinko librul Democrat".

We can love others without trusting them, or feeling the need to tolerate their harmful behavior, or needing to associate with them. The RW just tried to overthrow our government, and most RWers support this action.

While I treat them with kindness respect when encountering them in public places, (unless they get up in my face without provocation, which some of them seem to believe it is their gaaaawd given right to do so), I understand that they are dangerous to me because of their ignorance, and firmly believe they need to be quarantined from power by voting them out of office while it is still slightly possible to do so, or, individually and collectively, they will destroy democracy the United States, and. inevitably, our Mother Earth as well.

Essentially, they are fascists. We can love, and empathize with them as people, yet understand that they are our enemies, conditioned to be so by wealthy elitist Goebbels like malicious propaganda into a fundamental state of ignorance and delusion, who very well may destroy our nation, legally end our right to vote, and harm or even systematically murder us, under conditions such as another term for TFG.

I can't hate them, because I understand that that, in order to be a RWer, a person must be profoundly lacking in self awareness, and as result, they don't really understand what they are doing. I wish them all the very best, because the very best thing that could happen to them is to have an epiphany of self-awareness and blossoming of higher consciousness that leads them to stop being a RWer.

We are all products of our environment. Like my dad used to say, "there but for the grace of God go I".

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Response to Roisin Ni Fiachra (Reply #17)

Wed Nov 17, 2021, 10:08 AM

18. +1

"Speak softly and carry a big stick."



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Response to Roisin Ni Fiachra (Reply #17)

Tue Nov 23, 2021, 12:25 AM

22. I just ask that you treat them as human beings.

With the respect that humans deserve.

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Response to scipan (Original post)

Wed Nov 17, 2021, 10:17 AM

19. Thanks for this. Anyone that listens to John Fugelsang on a regular basis

knows that he emphasizes this point on a regular basis. It's totally acceptable to hate ideas and concepts, but try to never hate the individual. "Hate makes you stupid" is an expression you'll hear often during his show - the guy is a master at taking on right-wing trolls that attempt to challenge him.

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Response to scipan (Original post)

Wed Nov 17, 2021, 10:27 AM

20. Agree - I have good friends & best friends from both sides

I live just outside a small NM rural town that is pretty much half liberal and half conservative but everyone is mostly friendly no matter what party. We keep electing a young Dem mayor, not because of his party, but because of all he does for the town and his constituents. If you need a Covid test or food, he will personally bring it to you-plus - to our tiny town he brings constant entertainment- last weekend a hot air balloon lift off. The Republicans vote for him. He goes out of his way to hire both Republicans and Dems in our town. In my book club all the women are Dems but in my exercise class the majority are Republicans and independents. If you actually know most of your neighbors, itís easier to have compassion because basically everyone just wants a good life.

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Response to womanofthehills (Reply #20)

Tue Nov 23, 2021, 12:30 AM

23. Thanks for sharing your experience.

Itís important. All this polarization is so toxic. Before you know it, we will stop seeing each other as humans. Keep up the fight.

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Response to scipan (Original post)

Tue Nov 23, 2021, 12:42 AM

25. "...empathy for the right wing."

...it's like trying to have empathy for hitler...

...I don't think I can do that even if I wanted to...

...and I don't want to...

"...trying to divide us..."

...they have...

"...we all have a common enemy: the rich and powerful."

...now who do you think would argue the most with you about that?

...not me...

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