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Dr. Faucci thinks Covid could be endemic by Spring. (Original Post) Tomconroy Nov 2021 OP
NOT A CHANCE! SoCalDavidS Nov 2021 #1
The south may already be there. Tomconroy Nov 2021 #2
The South May Be At Endemic Status? SoCalDavidS Nov 2021 #3
Why would he even mention it if he didn't think it was Tomconroy Nov 2021 #4
Because He's An Optimist SoCalDavidS Nov 2021 #5
If we stopped counting cases and just tracked hospitalizations Tomconroy Nov 2021 #6
There Were 1,150 Deaths Thursday, And 1,420 Deaths Wednesday SoCalDavidS Nov 2021 #7
Hospitalizations are way down since September. I think Tomconroy Nov 2021 #9
Link, please? I'd be interested in reading that. nt. Mariana Nov 2021 #25
It's in the NYT section of Covid reporting but that's usually Tomconroy Nov 2021 #26
Link, please? nt. Mariana Nov 2021 #28
The NYT is the link. Oi vey. Tomconroy Nov 2021 #29
OK, I found it at the CDC website. Mariana Nov 2021 #31
It's important to a lot of people to be right. BannonsLiver Nov 2021 #34
+1 llmart Nov 2021 #20
No way. BigmanPigman Nov 2021 #8
The south is doing way better than the north at this point. nt BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #10
Didn't that happen last year too? Delphinus Nov 2021 #23
Joe Scarborough claims helpisontheway Nov 2021 #35
He is probably right in the general sense cinematicdiversions Nov 2021 #48
Watching what is happening in Europe and in particular Germany... Pachamama Nov 2021 #11
I just looked at Germany's chart. I couldn't tell too much. Tomconroy Nov 2021 #14
Here's a little article on Germany. I'm reading between the lines Tomconroy Nov 2021 #17
Slow vaccination rate, no-vaccine mandates, a lot of anti-vaxxers, recent Fall holiday vacations,... Pachamama Nov 2021 #38
I assume you're reporting from the frontline there. Tomconroy Nov 2021 #39
Yes Pachamama Nov 2021 #40
Take care. Tomconroy Nov 2021 #45
Thanks Pachamama Nov 2021 #47
Endemic to me just means "the new normal" madville Nov 2021 #12
Here in CT things have been normal for a bit. They are getting rid of local mask mandates Tomconroy Nov 2021 #13
I hope you're right. CT's daily case average has doubled in the last few weeks. femmedem Nov 2021 #15
I hope I'm right too. That NE corner seemed to be our hotspot Tomconroy Nov 2021 #16
The new pill probably will drastically cut down on deaths mucifer Nov 2021 #18
Yes. I think that will change everything when it hits the market, Tomconroy Nov 2021 #19
I doubt it will drastically cut down on deaths in the US. Mariana Nov 2021 #27
The researchers say it will cut down drastically on deaths. I'm going with research mucifer Nov 2021 #30
I don't doubt that they drug is as effective as they say. Mariana Nov 2021 #32
I hope the pill works as good as they say. I lost a family member to Covid and it was a horrible liberal_mama Nov 2021 #43
I put up a little article about the new pills. Tomconroy Nov 2021 #46
Already forgot about the Pfizer Covid pill? Brainfodder Nov 2021 #21
I think Merck has one too. Reduces hospitalizations by Tomconroy Nov 2021 #22
Things have been normal for a long time now Johnny2X2X Nov 2021 #24
Kurt Tucholsky said, "The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of millions is a statistic.". marie999 Nov 2021 #37
Interesting to note the people who get really triggered over Fauci. BannonsLiver Nov 2021 #33
I was chatting with someone yesterday citing Dr. Scott Tomconroy Nov 2021 #36
I'm not happy that Fauci said that masks weren't necessary in the beginning when he knew they were liberal_mama Nov 2021 #41
That's what? 2 weeks from now? fescuerescue Nov 2021 #42
We continue to go up and up here in AZ. Coventina Nov 2021 #44

SoCalDavidS

(9,998 posts)
1. NOT A CHANCE!
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 04:07 AM
Nov 2021

He said IF we do certain things, including significant increases to the # getting vaccinated.

ZERO CHANCE!

We're going to be in Pandemic status for many Months, but more likely Years.

SoCalDavidS

(9,998 posts)
3. The South May Be At Endemic Status?
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 04:14 AM
Nov 2021

Again, not a chance.

Just because their #'s are down at the moment, does not mean they won't have a significant surge in the not too distant future.

Some of those Southern states have vaccination rates below 50%. Not a chance they're going to be anywhere near endemic status.

Endemic implies that it's more or less under control. NO WAY does America have this under control.

Dr. Fauci is an optimist. But I'm sure he's not buying what he's selling. Deep down he knows the same segment of the American population won't listen to a thing he says, and that we're essentially at the point where anyone who hasn't been vaccinated, isn't going to get vaccinated.

SoCalDavidS

(9,998 posts)
5. Because He's An Optimist
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 04:39 AM
Nov 2021

I remember when he talked about how with Delta, we needed to achieve 85% vaccinated, as if that was a possibility.

He's merely saying what COULD be possible, were we a normal, responsible and functioning society. WE ARE NOT.

1/3rd of the country couldn't care less about what he has to say. He would be very naive to think otherwise. I don't expect him to come out and admit that, but it's still fact.

He's still going to talk like President Biden, and pretend we have a receptive population who give a shit. But that's fantasy, not reality.

 

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
6. If we stopped counting cases and just tracked hospitalizations
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 04:44 AM
Nov 2021

and deaths people would be more optimistic.

SoCalDavidS

(9,998 posts)
7. There Were 1,150 Deaths Thursday, And 1,420 Deaths Wednesday
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 04:53 AM
Nov 2021

That's cause for optimism?

Anyways, there's no need to debate. I've tended to be right through most of the last 20 months. Not always, but the majority of the time I've relied on the Degenerates amongst the American public, as a guide to how fucked up we would be in handling the outbreak.

I stand by my prediction. America May Barely Achieve 70% Vaccinated. And even that won't come for several more months. And I feel safe in saying that we will not escape the pandemic status of Covid in the next several months, if ever. I know it's not pleasant to think about, but don't look at me. I've been responsible throughout. I just call it as I see it, and this nation is pathetic.

We're a colossal embarrassment, and that reality will become apparent to other more responsible countries before too long.

 

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
9. Hospitalizations are way down since September. I think
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 05:15 AM
Nov 2021

Last edited Fri Nov 19, 2021, 07:54 AM - Edit history (1)

Deaths may start to drop again.
Did you know the CDC does an estimate of how many people have caught Covid as opposed to the official one? I think the latest estimate was about 147000000 as of Oct 1. If the real number is anything like that what's the point of the 'official'
case statistics?
I'm an optimist. I'm not always right but I sometimes am. I was right that it was safe to attend football games this fall. So there's that.

 

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
26. It's in the NYT section of Covid reporting but that's usually
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 10:27 AM
Nov 2021

Paywalled. If you do get through check out the little hot spot maps for cases v. hospitalizations. Just looking at the hospitalizations one you'd conclude even today things aren't too bad.

Mariana

(14,847 posts)
31. OK, I found it at the CDC website.
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 10:38 AM
Nov 2021

Interestingly, they also estimate that Covid hospitalizations and deaths have been seriously underreported.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html

llmart

(15,499 posts)
20. +1
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 08:01 AM
Nov 2021

I think I'll defer to Dr. Fauci.

One way or another, through more vaccinated people/more deaths of Covidiots/ we will get there.

BigmanPigman

(51,430 posts)
8. No way.
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 04:57 AM
Nov 2021

We're already starting another wave (the 6th) and have been for a month. With winter coming and low vax rates we definitely have this wave and likely at least one more. I am concerned about a new variant since it is taking the world a long time to get rid of Covid.

Look at the bar graph for the US.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Delphinus

(11,808 posts)
23. Didn't that happen last year too?
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 09:04 AM
Nov 2021

One section of the country would be hit hard, then get better as others got hit?

helpisontheway

(5,004 posts)
35. Joe Scarborough claims
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 11:34 AM
Nov 2021

places like Florida have a spike in summer because it is so hot so people go inside. Then he said up north people go inside during the winter months so covid spikes.

 

cinematicdiversions

(1,969 posts)
48. He is probably right in the general sense
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 05:24 PM
Nov 2021

The populated areas of Florida also have a pretty high vaccination rate which helps

Pachamama

(16,873 posts)
11. Watching what is happening in Europe and in particular Germany...
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 06:03 AM
Nov 2021

I think it’s going to be a very long winter….

 

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
14. I just looked at Germany's chart. I couldn't tell too much.
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 07:02 AM
Nov 2021

Cases are way up. Deaths are up some but nothing like the way cases have jumped. I couldn't get the thing to work for hospitalizations. Have they done boosters there? Are the elderly most effected? Don't know.

 

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
17. Here's a little article on Germany. I'm reading between the lines
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 07:21 AM
Nov 2021

But the unvaxxed may be the issue there. I did notice that they treat having a recent Covid case the same as being vaxxed.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/17/merkel-warns-fourth-covid-wave-is-hitting-germany-with-full-force.html

Pachamama

(16,873 posts)
38. Slow vaccination rate, no-vaccine mandates, a lot of anti-vaxxers, recent Fall holiday vacations,...
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 01:32 PM
Nov 2021

…they stopped free testing, pandemic fatigue…

And now the colder winter days…

“Genesen” (one of the two “G”s) means you can prove you recovered from Covid and yes, are therefore given the same status as vaccinated. I personally think that was a big mistake to equate those two because it only adds to the theory the anti-vaxxers and conspiracy theorists have that it’s all a lie and just like the flu. In fact the theory now by anti-vaxxers is that the only reason numbers have gone up is because more people were getting tested before taking flu vaccine and therefore the numbers “appear” higher because in “truth” everyone already has Covid…

And the politicians in Germany are too afraid to have anymore restrictions and lockdowns and have anger and backlash.

I personally think they need to have restrictions on the non-vaccinated (whether they had Covid or not), remove the “Genesen” status, vaccine mandates for all government employees and definitely healthcare and elderly/homecare employees, incentives for vaccines, vaccine availability for 5-11 year olds, free testing, stricter controls on fake digital passports and penalties (very big business apparently now).

Pachamama

(16,873 posts)
47. Thanks
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 05:10 PM
Nov 2021

I take comfort in the fact that I got my booster, can work from home and minimize going out other than to get groceries. Where my mask everywhere.

I worry because I know with the low vaccination rate and the amount of interaction going on that a lot of people are going to be infected and transmissions gone wild.

It’s the mutations coming that should be worrying for us all.

madville

(7,397 posts)
12. Endemic to me just means "the new normal"
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 06:19 AM
Nov 2021

“(of a disease or condition) regularly found among particular people or in a certain area.”

 

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
13. Here in CT things have been normal for a bit. They are getting rid of local mask mandates
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 06:49 AM
Nov 2021

People are getting out. Performing arts venues have reopened. The symphony started up. Our case rates have increased a bit recently but I don't think things will go backwards unless there is a new variant which the mavens seem to think is unlikely.

femmedem

(8,187 posts)
15. I hope you're right. CT's daily case average has doubled in the last few weeks.
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 07:11 AM
Nov 2021

But our vaccination rate is high so I'm hoping the cases aren't severe.

 

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
16. I hope I'm right too. That NE corner seemed to be our hotspot
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 07:19 AM
Nov 2021

For the last couple of months, throwing our stats off a bit. Most counties had reached moderate spread a little while ago but have increased in the last few days. Hope for the best.

Mariana

(14,847 posts)
27. I doubt it will drastically cut down on deaths in the US.
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 10:28 AM
Nov 2021

Doesn't it have to be taken very early in the course of the disease to be effective? So many of the antivaxxers/Covid deniers don't believe they have Covid until they land in the hospital, gasping for breath. The pill isn't going to do them any good.

Mariana

(14,847 posts)
32. I don't doubt that they drug is as effective as they say.
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 10:53 AM
Nov 2021

The researchers can't force-feed it to the people who need it.

liberal_mama

(1,495 posts)
43. I hope the pill works as good as they say. I lost a family member to Covid and it was a horrible
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 03:03 PM
Nov 2021

and painful prolonged death. I also hope the pill prevents long haul Covid as I know several people who are suffering from it. One of them, the best man at my daughter's wedding, was a healthy guy in his 20s and he can barely walk across his livingroom now without sitting down. He worked on Wall Street so he caught Covid right away.

 

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
46. I put up a little article about the new pills.
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 05:08 PM
Nov 2021

It sounds like they can prevent death at any stage of Covid.

 

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
22. I think Merck has one too. Reduces hospitalizations by
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 08:55 AM
Nov 2021

Last edited Fri Nov 19, 2021, 05:09 PM - Edit history (1)

90 percent? Can that be right? If it's true and they knock out a big supply that would make Covid similar to the flu. Not great but not terrible.
If the pills happen we could be out of the woods sooner than Dr. Faucci thinks.

Johnny2X2X

(18,733 posts)
24. Things have been normal for a long time now
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 09:30 AM
Nov 2021

Dem leaders in most states have given up trying to protect their citizens, Republican leaders have outlawed protecting people.

Here in Michigan, there are no restrictions and the only places with mask mandates are hospitals and schools. And we have the worst rate of new cases in the country. People are just numb to the death and sickness, they don't care anymore. If it's not their family, they don't care who dies. Republicans bet on Americans not caring about each other, and it seems they bet right, people just don't care who is dying anymore. Stunning lack of caring, but it's what we've become.

BannonsLiver

(16,161 posts)
33. Interesting to note the people who get really triggered over Fauci.
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 10:58 AM
Nov 2021

They’re not all RWers. That’s for sure. Will leave it at that.

 

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
36. I was chatting with someone yesterday citing Dr. Scott
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 12:07 PM
Nov 2021

Gottlieb who says endemic by Jan. That person said they preferred to listen to a real expert like Dr. Faucci. So I quickly pulled up the article from the Guardian and suddenly Faucci was a bum.

liberal_mama

(1,495 posts)
41. I'm not happy that Fauci said that masks weren't necessary in the beginning when he knew they were
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 02:38 PM
Nov 2021

I realize he wanted to save them for health care workers, but at that point, you couldn't buy a mask anyway and a lot of people already had masks in their houses or were capable of making them.

When we got hit real bad in the beginning in New York, masking could have saved lives and slowed the spread.

I could read between the lines and immediately put on a mask, knowing that if masks would protect health care workers, they would also protect me.

I had several boxes of masks on hand of masks on hand as I always wore them during flu season. Plus my husband is a auto tech so he had a good supply of N95 masks. We had enough to share with family and neighbors. Even my daughter and son-in-law had a box of N95s in their garage leftover from when they did some home improvements.

In the beginning, some people harassed mask wearers because they thought they were taking masks away from health care workers because of Fauci's statement.

But I'm not triggered by Fauci. I just think it was an unfortunate mistake. I'm sure he wishes he didn't say it.

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