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Tue Dec 21, 2021, 10:15 PM

Why aren't Wisconsin Republicans who posed as fake electors

and forged paperwork, going as far as submitting it in jail yet ?

Is not forgery a federal crime?

It's not like it's hard to prosecute, they fucking signed the documents. They are pursuing that in Wisconsin but can it and should it be a DOJ action as well?

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Reply Why aren't Wisconsin Republicans who posed as fake electors (Original post)
drray23 Dec 2021 OP
CrispyQ Dec 2021 #1
budkin Dec 2021 #29
femmedem Dec 2021 #2
RussBLib Dec 2021 #3
monkeyman1 Dec 2021 #17
certainot Dec 2021 #19
Progressive Jones Dec 2021 #22
certainot Dec 2021 #27
msfiddlestix Dec 2021 #25
certainot Dec 2021 #26
msfiddlestix Dec 2021 #28
elleng Dec 2021 #4
CanonRay Dec 2021 #8
lastlib Dec 2021 #18
CanonRay Dec 2021 #23
TreasonousBastard Dec 2021 #5
elleng Dec 2021 #6
TreasonousBastard Dec 2021 #9
elleng Dec 2021 #11
Progressive Jones Dec 2021 #24
CanonRay Dec 2021 #7
brooklynite Dec 2021 #10
drray23 Dec 2021 #12
brooklynite Dec 2021 #14
Sneederbunk Dec 2021 #13
housecat Dec 2021 #15
Bettie Dec 2021 #16
onenote Dec 2021 #20
Kablooie Dec 2021 #21

Response to drray23 (Original post)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 10:24 PM

1. Because it would be construed as partisan?

Beats me why nothing was done to them. It's demoralizing.

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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 22, 2021, 02:22 PM

29. This.

They are "freedom loving patriots."

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 10:25 PM

2. Rachel's coverage of this is exceptional tonight.

Somehow amidst all the news I'd missed this until tonight.

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 10:26 PM

3. I know the DOJ has a full plate, but....

that shit should not go without consequences.

Wisconsin authorities don't seem to be interested.

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Response to RussBLib (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 22, 2021, 12:09 AM

17. so many laws were broken , almost mind boggling ?

 

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Response to RussBLib (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 22, 2021, 12:34 AM

19. and the university of wisconsin will continue to endorse 3 xlimbaugh stations that support

this shit and make it possible. those wisconsin radio stations and others are the only reason that state has ron johnson as a senator and the activists in that state ignore it.

pres biden today called out media - fox and social media - for being anti-vax, and his advisors left out the most important part. every 'esteemed' dem analyst does the same shit all over media. plouffe, ccarvillle, etc

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Response to certainot (Reply #19)

Wed Dec 22, 2021, 01:15 AM

22. Your link took me somwhere my computer security didn't want to go to. What is it? nt

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Response to Progressive Jones (Reply #22)

Wed Dec 22, 2021, 12:22 PM

27. not sure what the problem is. it's an overview of RW radio and list of 87 universities that

broadcast sports on 260 limbaugh stations

republican/russian sabotage i guess

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Response to certainot (Reply #19)

Wed Dec 22, 2021, 08:34 AM

25. I made the mistake of clicking on that link, fortunately I was alerted that it was an unsafe site


May I suggest a Fair Warning and ID the link so viewers can be forewarned before clicking?


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Response to msfiddlestix (Reply #25)

Wed Dec 22, 2021, 12:18 PM

26. never saw that. sounds like republican sabotage. there's nothing commercial going on there so

why would there be any problem? what do you see? i'lll go there from another computer when i can.

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Response to certainot (Reply #26)

Wed Dec 22, 2021, 02:05 PM

28. when I clicked I had a alert warning

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 10:33 PM

4. Forgery is a federal crime when the person knowingly creates or possesses false documents such as

money, postage stamps, military documents, letters patent, money orders, or other government-related instruments. ... Forging postage stamps could be punished by a fine and/or prison sentence of up to 5 years.

A crime becomes a federal offense when it violates United States federal law or multiple states' laws. Crimes such as wire fraud, commercial fraud, or drug trafficking, for example, are often charged under the federal government.

IN ILLINOIS, A PERSON COMMITS FORGERY WHEN THEY:

Make a false official document, and they know it will deceive another person
Present or issue a document, knowing it is fake
Possess an altered document with the intent to use it to defraud someone
Use someone else's digital signature
Use someone else's signature device, such as a code, PIN, or private key, to create an electronic signature of that person
At the state-level, forgery can be either a misdemeanor or a felony. If a person forges an academic degree or coin, they can be charged with a misdemeanor and punished by up to 1 year in jail and a fine of up to $2,500.

If a person forges only one Universal Price Code, they can be charged with a fourth-degree felony. They could spend up to 3 years in prison and face a fine of up to $25,000.

https://www.ahmadlawfirm.com/blog/2019/may/is-forgery-a-state-or-federal-crime-

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Response to elleng (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 10:45 PM

8. Mail fraud Title 18 USC 1341.

Easy to prove.

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Response to CanonRay (Reply #8)

Wed Dec 22, 2021, 12:10 AM

18. If they put a USPS stamp on it, it's mail fraud.

Remember the movie "The Firm"?
(it's where I get my legal advice. )

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Response to lastlib (Reply #18)

Wed Dec 22, 2021, 01:18 AM

23. I've put people in prison for it.

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 10:35 PM

5. Seems to me that while the Constitution says the state must have electors, it is entirely up....

to the state to decide how to choose them.

If the states don't prosecute, is it worth the time and expense of starting a court fight over it?

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #5)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 10:41 PM

6. Ordinarily, I'd say 'no,' not worth the time and expense,'

however I think we've seen our last 'normal' presidential election, and I don't want to assume the risk of not acting when we SHOULD, EACH STATE should, and MUST.

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Response to elleng (Reply #6)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 10:48 PM

9. Put that way, I'd agree that we must put a stop to it. It is, however, up to each state to...

decide just how important it is.

Our federal system does have a flaw or two to deal with.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #9)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 10:52 PM

11. 'Our federal system does have a flaw or two to deal with.'

More, with every day.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #9)

Wed Dec 22, 2021, 01:19 AM

24. Yeah, I'd like to see changes that brings any election for national office falls


entirely under Federal jurisdiction.

We need a new "Elections/Voting Amendment" to the Constitution, or legislation that would have the same effect.

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 10:44 PM

7. They sent the forgeries in

so it's clearly mail fraud 18 USC 1341.

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 10:51 PM

10. No, it NOT a federal crime...

Identification of Electors is a matter of State law.

And before you assume they’ve committed a crime, you’d need to know what their certification letter said.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #10)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 10:52 PM

12. What is at issue is that they apparently used official documents

posing as electors and send that. Whether or not states can choose how they select electors would seem to be a separate issue.

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Response to drray23 (Reply #12)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 11:28 PM

14. "They apparently....."

That's the point. I haven't seem the certificate and I assume you haven't either.

That said, this is an issue for Governor Evers (D) and Attorney General Kaul (D).

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 11:22 PM

13. There's a Dem AG in Wisconsin. What is he doing?

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Wed Dec 22, 2021, 12:01 AM

15. How about vigilantes like in Texas?

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Wed Dec 22, 2021, 12:08 AM

16. Right wingers don't have to

deal with the consequences of their actions in the vast majority of cases.

They just get to move along, in the interest of not looking partisan.

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Wed Dec 22, 2021, 12:43 AM

20. Here are the sections of the US Code that address forgery.

I'm not sure any of the would apply to the fake certifications.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/part-I/chapter-25

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Wed Dec 22, 2021, 01:11 AM

21. Not when you are Republican.

Republicans are now allowed tremendous freedom to do illegal acts without consequences. That's why more and more of them are doing it.
It's a new unwritten law. Republicans can prosecute anybody for anything but are not to be prosecuted themselves.

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