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fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 09:34 AM Feb 2022

The Matt Gaetz investigation.

I watched a prosecutor talking about the investigation last night. Gaetz's ex recently testified before a grand jury. Greenburg, Gaetz's partner in crime is waiting to be sentenced. It has been delayed a couple of times because Greenburg has been cooperating. The Judge in the last delay said it would be the last one.

Now that Gaetz's ex has testified, lawyers from both sides have agreed to delay sentencing for Greenburg once again. The prosecutor said that is very bad news for Gaetz. They would not have asked for another delay unless they learned something very important from Gaetz's ex. She may have given the prosecutor's what they need to indict Gaetz.

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The Matt Gaetz investigation. (Original Post) fightforfreedom Feb 2022 OP
The investigation may not be only about Gaetz PJMcK Feb 2022 #1
Excellent point InstantGratification Feb 2022 #17
"Maybe, might, bad news, could mean, may have. " Scrivener7 Feb 2022 #2
Agreed. It is why I stopped reading articles predicting Dump's demise. Ray Bruns Feb 2022 #12
My nephew lives in Gates' district. I'm going to his wedding, in November Siwsan Feb 2022 #3
I live in his district also DuaneT Feb 2022 #13
Be still my heart... essaynnc Feb 2022 #4
Even if they win the midterms. It's still Bidens DOJ and he's not going to issue any pardons Walleye Feb 2022 #5
And there are still folks who want to rush-rush-rush... when these things take time. NurseJackie Feb 2022 #6
This times 10 JustAnotherGen Feb 2022 #9
As long as we're not facing an issue w/ statute of limitations MissMillie Feb 2022 #7
As a person who lives in his district, Grammy23 Feb 2022 #8
I too live have lived here for over 30 years DuaneT Feb 2022 #14
I still don't understand why they need to further delay Greenburg's sentencing Poiuyt Feb 2022 #10
Why not? NurseJackie Feb 2022 #11
It is really easy to understand. L. Coyote Feb 2022 #15
Lawyer's from both sides agreed to another delay. fightforfreedom Feb 2022 #20
I hope the delay is because desantis is caught up in the gaetz net! MLAA Feb 2022 #16
Waiting for more Marco Bible quotes to tell us what's really going on bucolic_frolic Feb 2022 #18
Another Republican/Nazi will abuse children and skate away. Same as always. johnthewoodworker Feb 2022 #19

PJMcK

(21,921 posts)
1. The investigation may not be only about Gaetz
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 09:36 AM
Feb 2022

It's possible that there are other individuals that are caught up in the investigation.

Gaetz does look to be among those being investigated, though and I hope he gets nailed.

17. Excellent point
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 12:18 PM
Feb 2022

Marci Wheeler over at emptywheel brought up the same point (in great detail) in the Mark Meadows contempt indictment. Here is a key part of the post:

"Those wailing for immediate action got an indictment of Steve Bannon … which will, at most, lead to his jailing for a few months.

And in exchange, Bannon got records that suggest that DOJ treated his attorney as a suspect in a conspiracy to obstruct this (and the J6) investigation. Bannon got records that suggest that DOJ is investigating his lawyer’s activities going back at least to March 5. He was able to see some of the evidence DOJ has obtained in that ongoing investigation.

Until something resets the current status, the contempt prosecution of Bannon is far more useful to Bannon as a means to monitor the ongoing investigation into him and his co-conspirators than it is for DOJ. And DOJ is likely now limiting investigative steps into Bannon and Costello, accordingly, to avoid triggering a discovery obligation to share information with Bannon."

The entire post gives a good insight into why the delay in prosecuting Meadows. Bottom line is: The criminal contempt is a misdemeanor that will end in a few months in jail at most and give the defense insight into what the DoJ and J6 investigations have on them so far. If they can get him on conspiracy to obstruct, that is a felony and can be years in prison. If they are looking to get Meadows to flip, that carries much more pressure.

[link:https://www.emptywheel.net/2022/02/07/why-to-delay-a-mark-meadows-indictment-bannon-is-using-his-contempt-prosecution-to-monitor-the-ongoing-january-6-investigation/|

Siwsan

(26,177 posts)
3. My nephew lives in Gates' district. I'm going to his wedding, in November
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 09:39 AM
Feb 2022

It's the Saturday after the mid-terms. It sure would be nice to have TWO things to celebrate - my nephew and his new wife, and the defeat of Gaetz.

DuaneT

(46 posts)
13. I live in his district also
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 12:02 PM
Feb 2022

Unless he is in jail he will win again. Even then these people have no intentions of voting for anyone else. I will vote for Rebekah Jones.

essaynnc

(792 posts)
4. Be still my heart...
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 09:41 AM
Feb 2022

We can only hope that they have the goods on him and others up the food chain. I'm believing that the same time limits from the J6 commission apply, if the repubs take the house, Get Out of Jail Free cards will float down to almost everyone....although they are N/A for state crimes, right???

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
6. And there are still folks who want to rush-rush-rush... when these things take time.
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 10:42 AM
Feb 2022
The prosecutor said that is very bad news for Gaetz. They would not have asked for another delay unless they learned something very important from Gaetz's ex.
And there are still folks who want to rush-rush-rush... when these things take time. The accusations and insinuations fly by at a fast pace... over and over again we keep hearing that the prosecutor is corrupt or incompetent and that that everything should be done now-now-NOW!! You can put me in the camp that firmly believes that if a job is worth doing, then it's worth doing right... and if a case is worth prosecuting, then it too is worth PROSECUTING right! Why rush? Why risk failure? Why risk a mistrial? Why blow it? We'll probably just get one shot at this.

Things definitely aren't looking good for Gätz!

MissMillie

(38,454 posts)
7. As long as we're not facing an issue w/ statute of limitations
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 10:47 AM
Feb 2022

I think the prosecutors are wise to take the time to dot their i's and cross their t's.

Grammy23

(5,808 posts)
8. As a person who lives in his district,
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 11:06 AM
Feb 2022

Nothing would make me happier than to see that weasel sent off to the pokey for a long, long time. However, I wouldn’t want him to escape what’s coming to him because an investigation was rushed or sloppy and missed key information.

So investigate, get as many facts of the case and then indict his sorry ass. And get him on as many charges as they can. Hopefully, they’ll get the information necessary to not only convict him but to open the eyes of his supporters here in NW Florida.

DuaneT

(46 posts)
14. I too live have lived here for over 30 years
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 12:06 PM
Feb 2022

You know as well as I know you will need a whole new generation to open their eyes and that won't happen if parents keep indoctrinating them to vote a straight ticket.

Poiuyt

(18,087 posts)
10. I still don't understand why they need to further delay Greenburg's sentencing
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 11:32 AM
Feb 2022

He can't still be giving evidence, can he? If so, it sounds like he's stringing the prosecutors along.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
11. Why not?
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 11:56 AM
Feb 2022
He can't still be giving evidence, can he?
Why not?

As the prosecutors learn more information from other witnesses/victims, then they're able to ask more pointed question... or they're able to get corroboration of specific incidents and events that they previously were unaware of.

If he's able to provide additional helpful information, then I think his sentence should reflect that. He's going to be sentenced eventually anyway, right? What diff does the delay matter if he's still assisting. Why the rush?

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
15. It is really easy to understand.
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 12:11 PM
Feb 2022

The sentencing takes into account the degree of cooperation. Since the investigation is ongoing, the degree of cooperation is not yet fully appreciable.






bucolic_frolic

(42,676 posts)
18. Waiting for more Marco Bible quotes to tell us what's really going on
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 12:22 PM
Feb 2022

Bless the heathenry and let he who is innocent of adultery be loyal to 45 idolatry wherever it may lead.

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