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madaboutharry

(40,152 posts)
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 11:36 PM Feb 2022

Three different heart drugs in Valieva's sample.

This: “Combination of three heart drugs in teen Russian skater Valieva's system "seem to be aimed at increasing endurance, reducing fatigue and promoting greater efficiency in using oxygen," says United States Anti-Doping Agency Chief Executive Officer Travis Tygart.”

She was given a cheating cocktail.

This entire competition has turned into a sick joke.

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Three different heart drugs in Valieva's sample. (Original Post) madaboutharry Feb 2022 OP
Make a trade - DURHAM D Feb 2022 #1
And her release quakerboy Feb 2022 #10
Yup. AllyCat Feb 2022 #12
Are they trying to kill her? Deuxcents Feb 2022 #2
Yes..... a kennedy Feb 2022 #4
Wouldn't say they're TRYING to kill her... GopherGal Feb 2022 #6
It's not just Russia, is it? LisaL Feb 2022 #20
Well, Tara had hip surgery at age 18... GopherGal Feb 2022 #25
They don't give a shit about her. Russia just wants medals. nt SunSeeker Feb 2022 #7
It seems like that would thicken.... SergeStorms Feb 2022 #8
They don't care about the rest of her life AllyCat Feb 2022 #13
Figure skates at the elite level do a lot of things that cause problems later in life. LisaL Feb 2022 #18
SHE SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO COMPETE PERIOD. 🤬 🤬 🤬 a kennedy Feb 2022 #3
And Sha'Carri Richardson was suspended over marijuana C Moon Feb 2022 #5
Non-performance enhancing vs 3x cheat drugs... NullTuples Feb 2022 #14
False. LisaL Feb 2022 #17
When will Coach Eteri be banned for life? When will Russia, under whatever name, be sanctioned... Hekate Feb 2022 #9
Welp that shit works good, she easily was the best skater in the short program, at the top, #1 Shanti Shanti Shanti Feb 2022 #11
If the shit worked real good, then they all would be jumping LisaL Feb 2022 #19
Quads arent allowed in the short programs, there are many who will try them in the long program Shanti Shanti Shanti Feb 2022 #24
The Other Two WHITT Feb 2022 #15
That's extremely misleading. LisaL Feb 2022 #16
I keep waiting to hear from the noble knights fighting to protect women's sports.. IngridsLittleAngel Feb 2022 #21
It's been a sick joke for some time malaise Feb 2022 #22
They should ban the coaches who gave it to her IronLionZion Feb 2022 #23

GopherGal

(1,999 posts)
6. Wouldn't say they're TRYING to kill her...
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 01:13 AM
Feb 2022

But they're not exactly extending themselves to protect her long-term health.

Her coach (Eteri Tutberidze) has a history of swapping in a new crop of 13-15-year-olds every couple of years, with nary a skater lasting much past her 18th birthday before succumbing to injuries and/or eating disorders.




LisaL

(44,962 posts)
20. It's not just Russia, is it?
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 06:41 AM
Feb 2022

Tara Lipinski herself had bones and joint problems at a young age. The kind of jumps and moves these skaters do are very hard on the body.

GopherGal

(1,999 posts)
25. Well, Tara had hip surgery at age 18...
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 01:38 PM
Feb 2022

She kind of represented what was possible with over-training. IIRC, she was known for going into a "frenzy" at practices, practicing one triple loop-triple loop combo after another. She had hip surgery for a torn labrum at age 18 (and her surgeon was said to be horrified upon seeing tape of her performing her signature triple-loop-triple-loop combination and said "never do that again." ) She retired from pro skating at age 20.

If you work from the premise that repetition and muscle memory are the key to learning the difficult jumps, then out-of-competition doping to increase the ability to recover from excessive practicing could theoretically be beneficial. But the benefit would come from enabling further pounding on the musculoskeletal system due to practice jump landings. Hence the sketchy injury history of Eteri's proteges.

And while I'm at it: saying that a drug has "not been shown to be performance enhancing" just means no one has published anything on it. If a group has done their own experimenting and has kept it secret rather than publish their evidence, we'd see just what we're seeing. (A bunch of perfectly healthy elite athletes taking heart drugs such as meldonium or TMZ)

SergeStorms

(18,898 posts)
8. It seems like that would thicken....
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 01:20 AM
Feb 2022

the walls of her heart, since the heart is a muscle. It would seem to me that would cause problems later in life. Her heart could develop into the size of a canned ham.

LisaL

(44,962 posts)
18. Figure skates at the elite level do a lot of things that cause problems later in life.
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 06:29 AM
Feb 2022

These jumps are very hard on the body. A lot of them have back problems, joint problems, etc. Many have career ending injuries.
These substances are the least of their worries.

C Moon

(12,188 posts)
5. And Sha'Carri Richardson was suspended over marijuana
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 01:12 AM
Feb 2022

She was pissed when she found they let the Russian skater off. She claims (and probably rightly so) it was because she was black.

https://www.npr.org/2022/02/15/1080694770/shacarri-richardson-kamila-valieva-doping

Hekate

(90,189 posts)
9. When will Coach Eteri be banned for life? When will Russia, under whatever name, be sanctioned...
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 01:21 AM
Feb 2022

… meaningfully?

This is just sick.


LisaL

(44,962 posts)
19. If the shit worked real good, then they all would be jumping
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 06:30 AM
Feb 2022

quads. The other two substances are not prohibited. Every athlete could therefore take them if wanted, they are allowed to have that in their systems.

LisaL

(44,962 posts)
16. That's extremely misleading.
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 06:26 AM
Feb 2022

The other two substances are not heart drugs. One is a supplement, and the other is an anti-oxidant. And they are not on a list of prohibited substances. Many athletes take them. They are allowed to have them in their systems.
So it's a lie to claim she had three cheat drugs and so on.

 

IngridsLittleAngel

(1,962 posts)
21. I keep waiting to hear from the noble knights fighting to protect women's sports..
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 07:26 AM
Feb 2022

After all, girls and women's sports are all under attack! This is a Serious Problem™ and it needs Serious Action™! Sports should be a safe space for females, and it's total injustice that these girls lost to a doped-up 15 year old Russian girl! They all should've had a fair chance to win, and it was denied because of the cocktail of drugs she's on!

And I know they're around. They have to be. I saw them just the other day, speaking up and fighting valiantly to protect female athletes!

Who is going to do something?! When is it going to be done?! This cannot be allowed to happen to female athletes! This is Serious™! This is the worst injustice in the world today and....

Wait. What's that about Kamila Valieva? She's.... Ohh... OHHHH. Nevermind. All good. This isn't a travesty after all. Move along. Nothing to see here. All female athletes are free and safe from Serious Issues™.

IronLionZion

(45,259 posts)
23. They should ban the coaches who gave it to her
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 08:35 AM
Feb 2022

And of course Russia is shady as hell. That country needs more punishment.

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