Mon Feb 21, 2022, 01:48 PM
MaryMagdaline (6,620 posts)
Are the Russian people willing to go to war?
The West has softened since WWII and since the Cold War, but so have Russians. Do their soldiers and civilians have the stomach to kill their close cousins (ethnically and culturally?). This is far different from fighting invaders on your own turf.
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MaryMagdaline | Feb 2022 | OP |
Atticus | Feb 2022 | #1 | |
MaryMagdaline | Feb 2022 | #2 | |
temporary311 | Feb 2022 | #4 | |
Atticus | Feb 2022 | #7 | |
MaryMagdaline | Feb 2022 | #10 | |
Atticus | Feb 2022 | #8 | |
MineralMan | Feb 2022 | #3 | |
sarisataka | Feb 2022 | #5 | |
herding cats | Feb 2022 | #6 | |
MaryMagdaline | Feb 2022 | #9 | |
herding cats | Feb 2022 | #12 | |
MaryMagdaline | Feb 2022 | #17 | |
MaryMagdaline | Feb 2022 | #18 | |
RockRaven | Feb 2022 | #11 | |
maryellen99 | Feb 2022 | #13 | |
maxsolomon | Feb 2022 | #14 | |
choie | Feb 2022 | #15 | |
gladium et scutum | Feb 2022 | #16 |
Response to MaryMagdaline (Original post)
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 01:49 PM
Atticus (14,680 posts)
1. Seriously,---does that matter? nt
Response to Atticus (Reply #1)
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 01:51 PM
MaryMagdaline (6,620 posts)
2. It will if there's an occupation
Would not matter in the short-term.
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Response to MaryMagdaline (Reply #2)
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 01:53 PM
temporary311 (846 posts)
4. I'm not sure it matters much what the Russian people want.
And I'm sure enough can be brought around easily enough if it does end up mattering. Remember, the Russian people fell harder for the FSBs anti-vax psyops that almost anyone else even though that psyops was aimed primarily at the west.
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Response to MaryMagdaline (Reply #2)
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 01:57 PM
Atticus (14,680 posts)
7. That sounds correct. I only meant that it seems to me that if Vlad decides to invade, it will
not matter what his people want.
He and Trump share that trait: neither cares about the health, safety or welfare of their people. |
Response to Atticus (Reply #7)
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 02:01 PM
MaryMagdaline (6,620 posts)
10. Understood. And agree.
Response to MaryMagdaline (Reply #2)
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 01:57 PM
Atticus (14,680 posts)
8. That sounds correct. I only meant that it seems to me that if Vlad decides to invade, it will
not matter what his people want.
He and Trump share that trait: neither cares about the health, safety or welfare of their people. |
Response to MaryMagdaline (Original post)
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 01:51 PM
MineralMan (144,938 posts)
3. They will not be consulted.
Response to MaryMagdaline (Original post)
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 01:55 PM
sarisataka (15,202 posts)
5. Look to history to predict the future
It is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship. -Hermann Goering "Nuremberg Diary" by Gustave M. Gilbert, 1947 |
Response to MaryMagdaline (Original post)
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 01:56 PM
herding cats (18,862 posts)
6. They have no choices here.
If you're asking if this will harm Putin's standing with the Russian population, he doesn't care.
He squashes any dissent against him now with no regard for the public reactions. |
Response to herding cats (Reply #6)
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 01:59 PM
MaryMagdaline (6,620 posts)
9. I was really asking as to issue of sustaining war
Will they sacrifice their kids for war or try to flee to Europe/America?
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Response to MaryMagdaline (Reply #9)
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 02:07 PM
herding cats (18,862 posts)
12. That's a good question.
Sadly, it's also one we're about to find out the answer to it appears.
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Response to herding cats (Reply #12)
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 04:38 PM
MaryMagdaline (6,620 posts)
17. True. And yes, very sad
Response to herding cats (Reply #12)
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Response to MaryMagdaline (Original post)
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 02:06 PM
RockRaven (11,989 posts)
11. It doesn't matter what they want. They have no say.
And the Russian military proper will use proxies to the maximum degree possible, such as the separatist rebels in Eastern Ukraine trying to conscript at gunpoint every able bodied man they can get their hands on.
One of the lessons the Russian military learned from the Soviet misadventure in Afghanistan was the importance of hiding the true casualties. They have recently put that lesson into practice in the Chechnya and Georgia conflicts. They will no doubt do so again here, and their task will be aided by the fact that many of the deaths will occur amongst Russian-speaking Ukrainians used as cannon fodder such as the rebels and conscripts noted above. |
Response to MaryMagdaline (Original post)
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 02:08 PM
maryellen99 (3,723 posts)
13. Anyone still think he's not mad enough to start WW3?
Response to MaryMagdaline (Original post)
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 02:12 PM
maxsolomon (29,495 posts)
14. Did we have a choice when Bush decided to invade Iraq?
The soldiers will do as they are ordered. The Russian People will be fed propaganda and dissent will be crushed.
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Response to MaryMagdaline (Original post)
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 02:27 PM
choie (3,966 posts)
15. Did we want to go to war against Iraq?
In other words -- it doesn't matter what they want.
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Response to MaryMagdaline (Original post)
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 02:35 PM
gladium et scutum (758 posts)
16. Were they willing to invade Afghanistan
don't think Putin has taken the time to ask the soldiers and citizens of Russia that question. Then again I do not recall being asked if I wanted to fight in Vietnam.
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