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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhen Afghanistan was about the fall, the message here was "too bad"
"if the Afghans didn't like the Taliban, they should fight them, not us", as I recall.
Today, with Ukraine at risk, I've heard:
1. WE should drop an EMP burst on them
2. WE should Set up a no-fly zone and challenge Russian air force jets.
And the latest:
3. WE should have Canada declare war on Russia to bring NATO in.
How times change.
JanMichael
(24,847 posts)artemisia1
(756 posts)Both were internal. This is an EXTERNAL invasion. Apples and oranges.
sheshe2
(83,355 posts)You heard this where?
JohnSJ
(91,965 posts)engagement in Ukraine
former9thward
(31,805 posts)dpibel
(2,803 posts)OK. We could probably find a metric shit ton of things that have been "mentioned" in regards to Afghanistan and Ukraine.
Proving precisely what?
It's not exactly a sense-of-the-site position, now, is it?
JohnSJ
(91,965 posts)so intellectually superior than the rest of us peons
JohnSJ
(91,965 posts)are NOT pushing for direct military engagement of the Ukraine here
former9thward
(31,805 posts)And they are frequent. Yes, they are not the majority but they are there.
dpibel
(2,803 posts)That's what the OP says.
You're not, I trust, suggesting that "posts of that type" constitute "the message here."
Even you have to admit they are not the majority.
As others have pointed out, it's not terribly difficult to find a few posts stating extreme points of view.
Such is the nature of Internet discussion, isn't it?
calguy
(5,223 posts)left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)Please provide some links
dpibel
(2,803 posts)So far, what you've got is, "Some people said this thing back then and some people say this other thing now."
If the (to your mind) contradictory statements don't come from the same people, then what is your point?
It appears that you are saying that the (to your mind) contradictory statements in each case represent the general point of view of DU.
Which would be a pretty bizarre thing to say, so I'm sure that's not what you're saying.
But I can't actually tell what you are saying other than, perhaps, "Hey! You people who said this thing about Afghanistan should duke it out with these people who say this about Ukraine."
I guess that could be fun to watch. For a certain type.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)They would have held out two weeks!
OAITW r.2.0
(23,862 posts)ColinC
(8,232 posts)...with little to no justification. This isn't about supporting democracy as much as it is about respecting a sovereign state.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)rictofen
(235 posts)maxrandb
(15,192 posts)Why are you here?
No, SERIOUSLY...why are you here?
JI7
(89,182 posts)And there were many that criticized Biden on Afghanistan.
Such a stupid ass thread meant to do nothing attack everyone here by picking random comments.
Also the situation in both countries are nothing alike.
eShirl
(18,466 posts)Hav
(5,969 posts)A ton of people have different takes on different subjects in completely different circumstances. What a revelation.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)Ive been here too long to be surprised however.
Happy Hoosier
(7,081 posts)Many here, including myself were happy to help the Afghanis against the Taliban. The problem was that after 20 years, it was clear that those Afghanis opposing the Taliban were simply not numerous enough and not able to effectively organize against the Taliban. After 20 years, it was clear they could not or would not stand on their own.
That is not the case here. HERE we are talking about an external power launching an INVASION.
I'm giving Biden some room here. But so far the response as been..... LESS than I think is necessary. The current path has Ukraine either annexed by Russia or puppet state.
I have friends in Ukraine who are preparing right now to fight Russians and very possibly die. This is very, very real to me. And a big deal.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,911 posts)The United States actively fought inside of Afghanistan for twenty years before finally pulling out the last of our troops. We had soldiers fighting there who weren't born yet when the first American troops started fighting there.
Personally I basically supported the American military mission in Afghanistan for at least 15 years before reluctantly conceding that at some point Afghanistanians had to defend their own nation, with armaments supplied by us.
I see few here on DU who think the U.S. should send our troops into Ukraine (or otherwise directly militarily confront Russia with our own or NATO forces.) To call that a minority viewpoint is a huge understatement. However I stand with those who feel that, at the least, we should make sure Ukraine gets the weapons they need to try to defend themselves.
FSogol
(45,360 posts)Torchlight
(3,236 posts)any particular argument will be made here at one point or another.
Whether or not those points are indicative of the collective sentiment as a greater whole or not seems the fly in your ointment-- and that's assuming the two scenarios you reference are equal in all relevant ways, which is not something I'd argue.