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BeyondGeography

(39,278 posts)
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 06:03 PM Apr 2022

High marks to Boris Johnson on the question of weapons to Ukraine



While some allies, including America, Germany and France, are said to want to wait for a provocation by Russia before providing more deadly lethal aid, Johnson has made clear that he believes it should be made available immediately.

“Boris says we don’t need another trigger,” the senior government source added. “He [Putin] has already crossed the line ... Whatever Zelensky asks for he will get, if we have it.”

President Zelensky has called for the West to supply Ukraine with anti-ship missiles, including Harpoons, which are used by the Royal Navy. US officials last week signalled that the issue was being discussed by Nato members.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/70688f70-b29f-11ec-b03d-8bd1be808b51?shareToken=ec5a88a1b78fbbbec2cce915026319ec


I don’t know about you, but I’m feeling sufficiently provoked.
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High marks to Boris Johnson on the question of weapons to Ukraine (Original Post) BeyondGeography Apr 2022 OP
I'm provoked since day one. dchill Apr 2022 #1
Stop discussing it and do it. marie999 Apr 2022 #2
"Discussed" "send to committee." To die. Igel Apr 2022 #3
Thank you BeyondGeography Apr 2022 #4

Igel

(35,191 posts)
3. "Discussed" "send to committee." To die.
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 08:23 PM
Apr 2022

There was pushback over Su and MiG planes. "No" was a bad answer. I'm sure Blinken didn't like being immediately told he was wrong--he probably thought he was correct.

So S-300s? "We'll discuss it." 2 weeks later, Russia's flying 300 sorties a day and bombing all over the place, killing civilians? "Not out of committee." S-300s would cut down on the dead. Can't do that. We must discuss things as civilians are killed.

Anti-ship missiles? "We'll discuss it."

Armor, including tanks? "We'll discuss it."

They won't say yes and don't want the political fall-out of saying no. "It's in committee. Draft report on the S-300 issue will be issued in 9 months, 120 day comment period, final report due in late 2023 and we expect to consider it in 2024. After that we'll take up anti-ship missiles, then armor. We'll have a solution almost immediately--at least by 2026."

When a small Baltic country can be said, accurately, to have provide more war materiel than the US or Britain, *somebody* should be profoundly embarrassed by the current images out of Bucha.

I read that deterrence never works. Then I watch deterrence work most excellently. Soft heart and tough brains or soft brains and tough heart. I prefer the first.

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