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Shootings unfolding simultaneously right now in America: At a hospital in Tulsa, Oklahoma; a Walmart in Pittson, Pennsylvania; and a high school in Los Angeles, California.
4:29 PM · Jun 1, 2022
Novara
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(99,909 posts)Nevilledog
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Jonathan Cooper
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Tulsa City Councilor Jayme Fowler says the suspect shot and killed himself after shooting several people at the Natalie Building on the Saint Francis campus around 5pm this evening. He says "three innocent bystanders have lost their life." A fifth person is in critical condition.
4:32 PM · Jun 1, 2022
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Don Moynihan
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Jun 1, 2022
Progress is a President being willing to talk bluntly about an event that until recently had not been taught in schools.
President Biden
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Today, we remember the hell unleashed 101 years ago in Tulsa, where Greenwood was raided, firebombed, and destroyed by a violent white supremacist mob. It wasnt a riot, it was a massacre. We must continue to reckon with the past and work to build a more just future.
Don Moynihan
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Something deeply disturbing about the anniversary of the Tulsa race massacre marked by another mass shooting
Police and firefighters in Tulsa, Okla., responded to a shooting at the Natalie Medical Building next to Saint Francis Hospital on Wednesday afternoon.
nytimes.com
Four People, Including Gunman, Are Killed in Attack at Tulsa Medical Building, Police Say
It was unclear if the police had shot the gunman or if he had shot himself, officials said.
4:34 PM · Jun 1, 2022
AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)SoCalDavidS
(9,998 posts)sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)fightforfreedom
(4,913 posts)Nothing makes sense anymore.
gldstwmn
(4,575 posts)former9thward
(31,798 posts)It has always been fairly easy to get a gun. That has not changed.
TeamProg
(5,785 posts)former9thward
(31,798 posts)There have been no significant changes in how weapons fire or what they fire in the modern era. AR-15s went on the market in 1959.
Lethal weapons are more available now than in the 70s & 80s, yes. That is the difference, availability.
maxsolomon
(32,975 posts)More guns than people.
Saturation.
SilasSouleII
(357 posts)former9thward
(31,798 posts)1999. The ban allowed guns in existance to remain. Only new guns were banned and manufactures quickly made cosmetic changes to comply with the law. So the ban was ineffective and one reason it was allowed to expire.
Warpy
(110,900 posts)Yeah, they've got to go, too.
plimsoll
(1,664 posts)Or ineffective on a statistical basis? And how would we know? The GOP prohibits the CDC from treating gun violence as a public health problem. The upshot there is that there is no data to work with. So gun control advocates can be marginalized because the cant support claims with data. It is a two edged sword though. Silencing Galileo didnt make the moons of Jupiter disappear.
former9thward
(31,798 posts)They track it in all 50 states and have been doing it since 1930. I am not sure why you think no one keeps statistics.
plimsoll
(1,664 posts)The reporting requirements vary by jurisdiction, and the data is full of gaps because of that. The FBI has said this for years. They complain about it during every funding cycle.
former9thward
(31,798 posts)The CDC can only track what diseases are reported to them. During Covid different states had different definitions of Covid deaths. But the overall trend can be seen whether in crime, violence or disease.
plimsoll
(1,664 posts)The gaps create really odd patterns. So places like Chicago do have higher gun violence, but they also have better reporting. So doing an adequate job reporting violent crime statistics actually counts against you. The truth is we get a vague notion, and the vague notion would support the assault rifle restrictions having reduced mass shootings, but you can't definitively demonstrate it one way or the other so we get to say "it did," or "it didn't" when the truth is we don't really know.
plimsoll
(1,664 posts)Or ineffective on a statistical basis? And how would we know? The GOP prohibits the CDC from treating gun violence as a public health problem. The upshot there is that there is no data to work with. So gun control advocates can be marginalized because the cant support claims with data. It is a two edged sword though. Silencing Galileo didnt make the moons of Jupiter disappear.
Zeitghost
(3,796 posts)Is that we are safer and have fewer violent crimes than we have for most of the past 50 years. We've ticked up a few points in the last two years but we are still far below the peak in the early 90's.
The big difference is the easy and quick access to the if it bleeds it leads media and social media in general. We're now hyper aware of every shooting and horrible event in the country.
former9thward
(31,798 posts)Especially when looking at the big picture of violence in the country. But I think there are more "mindless" shootings (schools, malls, etc.) in recent years.
MerryBlooms
(11,728 posts)To be good with? 90's stats? Less media reports, obviously. Bleeds it leads? No shit! We have mass murder every day by gun violence. You think the media is over reporting? Bullshit.
Zeitghost
(3,796 posts)I am not "good with" any murder. I, like most would prefer a rate of zero. My point, which I thought was pretty clear, was that things are not worse now than they have been for most of the past half century. That was a response to someone appearing to
ask why things are worse now and my reply, was that they are not.
Wether or not the media is "over" reporting, is a personal opinion. But the fact that murders and other tragic events are much more widely publicized now than they were in the in the past is not in dispute.
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ornotna
(10,763 posts)Mass shootings
gldstwmn
(4,575 posts)BumRushDaShow
(127,265 posts)Another was a shooting in a Dayton hospital - https://www.daytondailynews.com/local/shooting-reported-at-miami-valley-hospital/JFIRSYOKEBFCFL5RSVOJ56OK2E/
Beartracks
(12,761 posts)raccoon
(31,088 posts)Volaris
(10,260 posts)Nevilledog
(50,659 posts)Marius25
(3,213 posts)This is insane.
BadgerMom
(2,766 posts)My brother teaches at a HS in LA. My nephew is a student. Which one? LA is a big place.
EDIT:
Grant High in Valley Glen is site of shooting.
BumRushDaShow
(127,265 posts)And the shooter is still on the lam...
Evolve Dammit
(16,632 posts)It is insanity of course. And there is A LOT of it.
sop
(9,943 posts)Bluethroughu
(5,093 posts)To fear and loathe,
Is to be a Republican in "Murica".
These people with an investment in these guns, are willing their fear into fruition.
Major Gun control is the only way forward.
Alien Life Form
(370 posts)Double their thoughts and prayers!
Bastards!!
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(3,430 posts)TeamProg
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Bucky
(53,795 posts)Just like you can have clusters of teen suicides or clusters of drug-related overdoses, people with gun related violent ideations of floating around in their heads can be triggered (sorry) by other acts of violence in the news.
Humans, after all, are social animal inclined to mimicry and mirroring
AllyCat
(16,031 posts)YoshidaYui
(41,759 posts)Bucky
(53,795 posts)YoshidaYui
(41,759 posts)Jim Morrison family might be happy about this ....
GoodRaisin
(8,885 posts)Too many guns and too many nutcakes. Not a good combination. Now Tulsa is under siege. Unsafe to go anywhere in America anymore without danger of getting your brains blown out. Its worse than the fucking 1870s. Thanks NRA. Thanks Republicans. Thanks Fox News. Thanks Trump humpers.
If you want to stay alive while living in this country, stay home. Republicans have turned the streets into blood.
Ilsa
(61,675 posts)for places to hide. I'm not hypervigilant, but I'm vigilant, which is more stress than we should be dealing with in the US.
GoodRaisin
(8,885 posts)I had to duck into an alley once to avoid a shooter. Its a more likely occurrence than people think, and its getting more likely every day in this political environment.
Marthe48
(16,688 posts)Here is the link to Gun Violence Archive last 72 hours: https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/last-72-hours
The problem is guns. The solution is gun control right now.
multigraincracker
(32,524 posts)That's my call.
Stuart G
(38,359 posts)IronLionZion
(45,250 posts)since we have to ignore the guns. Or we should blame mental illness but not doing anything about treatment either. While still ignoring the guns. I'm sure the NRA can supply an answer that involves more guns.
IcyPeas
(21,737 posts)Shots were fired outside Grant High School in Van Nuys Wednesday afternoon, and a 10th grader was injured, the Los Angeles Police Department and school police said.
LAPD said at around 3:24 p.m., there were reports of a shooting in front of Grant High School during dismissal. Someone reported hearing three to four gunshots, with a person down, LAPD said.
LA School police later said a 10th grader was shot in the leg.
LAPD said the shooting may have been from a car.
LAPD was searching for a green older model Honda Accord with four people inside.
https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/grant-high-school-van-nuys-shooting-lapd/2907345/
Bucky
(53,795 posts)Haru
(27 posts)moondust
(19,917 posts)Tell the Cancun Loon that many of the people he brags about coming here in his defense of "American Exceptionalism" are fleeing U.S. gunz and ammo in the hands of violent gangs in Latin America.
BrightKnight
(3,567 posts)Aristus
(66,075 posts)The bad guys are armed to the teeth, and the "good guys" are a bunch of beer-bellied cowards standing around with their thumbs up their asses.
This is not going to end well for us.