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Nevilledog

(50,659 posts)
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 07:33 PM Jun 2022

Shootings right now: Tulsa hospital. Wal-Mart in PA, high school in Los Angeles



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Shootings unfolding simultaneously right now in America: At a hospital in Tulsa, Oklahoma; a Walmart in Pittson, Pennsylvania; and a high school in Los Angeles, California.
4:29 PM · Jun 1, 2022
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Shootings right now: Tulsa hospital. Wal-Mart in PA, high school in Los Angeles (Original Post) Nevilledog Jun 2022 OP
Fucking hell Novara Jun 2022 #1
We're all sitting ducks thanks to the NRA's reckless policies. Initech Jun 2022 #25
Tulsa Nevilledog Jun 2022 #2
More Nevilledog Jun 2022 #5
Everybody finally had enough? AngryOldDem Jun 2022 #3
Nope SoCalDavidS Jun 2022 #8
... Celerity Jun 2022 #18
USA! USA! USA! sarcasmo Jun 2022 #4
Our entire country is mentally ill. fightforfreedom Jun 2022 #6
Our entire country has easy access to guns. gldstwmn Jun 2022 #11
What is different now? former9thward Jun 2022 #22
Available firearms are more lethal now than in the 70's & 80's, yes? TeamProg Jun 2022 #26
No. former9thward Jun 2022 #35
Yes. unweird Jun 2022 #58
More guns/capita. maxsolomon Jun 2022 #66
Uhh.. the assault weapons ban that expired in 2004? SilasSouleII Jun 2022 #27
Columbine happened in the middle of that ban. former9thward Jun 2022 #38
Columbine was semi auto pistols Warpy Jun 2022 #43
Ineffective because it didn't stop all gun violence plimsoll Jun 2022 #56
The FBI tracks crime and violence statistics. former9thward Jun 2022 #59
they track what is reported. plimsoll Jun 2022 #61
That can be said about anything. former9thward Jun 2022 #62
I'd agree with you, but it's not how it has actually played out. plimsoll Jun 2022 #64
Ineffective because it didn't stop all gun violence plimsoll Jun 2022 #57
What is different now? Zeitghost Jun 2022 #48
Very good points. former9thward Jun 2022 #51
What's your number? How many murders, are you Not going MerryBlooms Jun 2022 #65
You must have misunderstood my point Zeitghost Jun 2022 #67
They should set up a new category of news Turbineguy Jun 2022 #7
Slight edit ornotna Jun 2022 #10
A hospital? gldstwmn Jun 2022 #9
2nd one today BumRushDaShow Jun 2022 #16
Doctors office building near the hospital. But part of the hospital campus. Beartracks Jun 2022 #30
Now, what was that about the shining city on a hill? NT raccoon Jun 2022 #12
It's lit by muzzle flashes at night Volaris Jun 2022 #14
*gasp* Nevilledog Jun 2022 #29
I don't even want to leave the house Marius25 Jun 2022 #13
And in LA? BadgerMom Jun 2022 #15
Had to look up where the hell Pittston, PA is - it's near Wilkes-Barre in NE PA. BumRushDaShow Jun 2022 #17
It is seemingly uncontrollable due to GOP staunchly defending 2A. Get used to it?? Evolve Dammit Jun 2022 #19
Big Gun has become too big to control. sop Jun 2022 #39
Sickness. Bluethroughu Jun 2022 #20
This calls for action from the GOP who will... Alien Life Form Jun 2022 #21
It's automated central scrutinizer Jun 2022 #46
3-2-1 repugs: All these shootings are a Antifa plot to take away our guns Ferrets are Cool Jun 2022 #23
I guess everybody is trying to get in their shootings before Democrats take their guns! 70sEraVet Jun 2022 #24
Hopefully not 'everybody' ! n/t TeamProg Jun 2022 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2022 #31
That's my question, too. Seems more than coincidental. I wonder if there is a common thread? flying_wahini Jun 2022 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2022 #36
Copy cats. 🙄 nt Raine Jun 2022 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2022 #37
Marginal people with violent tendencies are pretty susceptible Bucky Jun 2022 #54
Goddammit Congress! DO SOMETHING! AllyCat Jun 2022 #32
W T F is going on?? is this right wing radio and tv YoshidaYui Jun 2022 #40
There's just too damn many doors in this country Bucky Jun 2022 #55
The estate of the YoshidaYui Jun 2022 #63
The dam is breaking with Republican shootings. GoodRaisin Jun 2022 #41
I wonder any time I'm out in public. I check for exits. I look Ilsa Jun 2022 #45
Probably not a bad idea. It might save your life one day. GoodRaisin Jun 2022 #50
Constant shootings Marthe48 Jun 2022 #42
Lots of aggrieved right wingers with guns. multigraincracker Jun 2022 #44
K & R...Very Sad. Stuart G Jun 2022 #47
Should we argue about who left the doors unlocked IronLionZion Jun 2022 #49
the L.A. one was outside of Grant H.S. Cops think it was gang related. IcyPeas Jun 2022 #52
TV news should treat this like it's a weather report. Bucky Jun 2022 #53
another day in paradise Haru Jun 2022 #60
Exceptional...ism. moondust Jun 2022 #68
What AR furniture kits are most popular with the mass shooters this year BrightKnight Jun 2022 #69
I guess the Civil War has begun. Aristus Jun 2022 #70

Nevilledog

(50,659 posts)
2. Tulsa
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 07:34 PM
Jun 2022


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Jonathan Cooper
@JCooperTV
Tulsa City Councilor Jayme Fowler says the suspect shot and killed himself after shooting several people at the Natalie Building on the Saint Francis campus around 5pm this evening. He says "three innocent bystanders have lost their life." A fifth person is in critical condition.
4:32 PM · Jun 1, 2022

Nevilledog

(50,659 posts)
5. More
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 07:38 PM
Jun 2022


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Don Moynihan
@donmoyn
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Jun 1, 2022
Progress is a President being willing to talk bluntly about an event that until recently had not been taught in schools.

President Biden
@POTUS

United States government official
Today, we remember the hell unleashed 101 years ago in Tulsa, where Greenwood was raided, firebombed, and destroyed by a violent white supremacist mob. It wasn’t a riot, it was a massacre. We must continue to reckon with the past and work to build a more just future.

Don Moynihan
@donmoyn
Something deeply disturbing about the anniversary of the Tulsa race massacre marked by another mass shooting
Police and firefighters in Tulsa, Okla., responded to a shooting at the Natalie Medical Building next to Saint Francis Hospital on Wednesday afternoon.
nytimes.com
Four People, Including Gunman, Are Killed in Attack at Tulsa Medical Building, Police Say
It was unclear if the police had shot the gunman or if he had shot himself, officials said.
4:34 PM · Jun 1, 2022

former9thward

(31,798 posts)
35. No.
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 09:14 PM
Jun 2022

There have been no significant changes in how weapons fire or what they fire in the modern era. AR-15s went on the market in 1959.

unweird

(2,476 posts)
58. Yes.
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 10:25 PM
Jun 2022

Lethal weapons are more available now than in the 70’s & 80’s, yes. That is the difference, availability.

former9thward

(31,798 posts)
38. Columbine happened in the middle of that ban.
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 09:19 PM
Jun 2022

1999. The ban allowed guns in existance to remain. Only new guns were banned and manufactures quickly made cosmetic changes to comply with the law. So the ban was ineffective and one reason it was allowed to expire.

plimsoll

(1,664 posts)
56. Ineffective because it didn't stop all gun violence
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 10:22 PM
Jun 2022

Or ineffective on a statistical basis? And how would we know? The GOP prohibits the CDC from treating gun violence as a public health problem. The upshot there is that there is no data to work with. So gun control advocates can be marginalized because the can’t support claims with data. It is a two edged sword though. Silencing Galileo didn’t make the moons of Jupiter disappear.

former9thward

(31,798 posts)
59. The FBI tracks crime and violence statistics.
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 10:28 PM
Jun 2022
https://www.fbi.gov/services/cjis/ucr

They track it in all 50 states and have been doing it since 1930. I am not sure why you think no one keeps statistics.

plimsoll

(1,664 posts)
61. they track what is reported.
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 10:40 PM
Jun 2022

The reporting requirements vary by jurisdiction, and the data is full of gaps because of that. The FBI has said this for years. They complain about it during every funding cycle.

former9thward

(31,798 posts)
62. That can be said about anything.
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 11:15 PM
Jun 2022

The CDC can only track what diseases are reported to them. During Covid different states had different definitions of Covid deaths. But the overall trend can be seen whether in crime, violence or disease.

plimsoll

(1,664 posts)
64. I'd agree with you, but it's not how it has actually played out.
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 11:32 PM
Jun 2022

The gaps create really odd patterns. So places like Chicago do have higher gun violence, but they also have better reporting. So doing an adequate job reporting violent crime statistics actually counts against you. The truth is we get a vague notion, and the vague notion would support the assault rifle restrictions having reduced mass shootings, but you can't definitively demonstrate it one way or the other so we get to say "it did," or "it didn't" when the truth is we don't really know.

plimsoll

(1,664 posts)
57. Ineffective because it didn't stop all gun violence
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 10:22 PM
Jun 2022

Or ineffective on a statistical basis? And how would we know? The GOP prohibits the CDC from treating gun violence as a public health problem. The upshot there is that there is no data to work with. So gun control advocates can be marginalized because the can’t support claims with data. It is a two edged sword though. Silencing Galileo didn’t make the moons of Jupiter disappear.

Zeitghost

(3,796 posts)
48. What is different now?
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 09:46 PM
Jun 2022

Is that we are safer and have fewer violent crimes than we have for most of the past 50 years. We've ticked up a few points in the last two years but we are still far below the peak in the early 90's.

The big difference is the easy and quick access to the if it bleeds it leads media and social media in general. We're now hyper aware of every shooting and horrible event in the country.

former9thward

(31,798 posts)
51. Very good points.
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 09:54 PM
Jun 2022

Especially when looking at the big picture of violence in the country. But I think there are more "mindless" shootings (schools, malls, etc.) in recent years.

MerryBlooms

(11,728 posts)
65. What's your number? How many murders, are you Not going
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 11:41 PM
Jun 2022

To be good with? 90's stats? Less media reports, obviously. Bleeds it leads? No shit! We have mass murder every day by gun violence. You think the media is over reporting? Bullshit.

Zeitghost

(3,796 posts)
67. You must have misunderstood my point
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 12:00 AM
Jun 2022

I am not "good with" any murder. I, like most would prefer a rate of zero. My point, which I thought was pretty clear, was that things are not worse now than they have been for most of the past half century. That was a response to someone appearing to
ask why things are worse now and my reply, was that they are not.

Wether or not the media is "over" reporting, is a personal opinion. But the fact that murders and other tragic events are much more widely publicized now than they were in the in the past is not in dispute.

BadgerMom

(2,766 posts)
15. And in LA?
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 08:15 PM
Jun 2022

My brother teaches at a HS in LA. My nephew is a student. Which one? LA is a big place.

EDIT:
Grant High in Valley Glen is site of shooting.

BumRushDaShow

(127,265 posts)
17. Had to look up where the hell Pittston, PA is - it's near Wilkes-Barre in NE PA.
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 08:24 PM
Jun 2022

And the shooter is still on the lam...

Evolve Dammit

(16,632 posts)
19. It is seemingly uncontrollable due to GOP staunchly defending 2A. Get used to it??
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 08:28 PM
Jun 2022

It is insanity of course. And there is A LOT of it.

Bluethroughu

(5,093 posts)
20. Sickness.
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 08:30 PM
Jun 2022

To fear and loathe,
Is to be a Republican in "Murica".


These people with an investment in these guns, are willing their fear into fruition.

Major Gun control is the only way forward.

Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Response to flying_wahini (Reply #33)

Response to Raine (Reply #34)

Bucky

(53,795 posts)
54. Marginal people with violent tendencies are pretty susceptible
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 10:14 PM
Jun 2022

Just like you can have clusters of teen suicides or clusters of drug-related overdoses, people with gun related violent ideations of floating around in their heads can be triggered (sorry) by other acts of violence in the news.

Humans, after all, are social animal inclined to mimicry and mirroring

GoodRaisin

(8,885 posts)
41. The dam is breaking with Republican shootings.
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 09:30 PM
Jun 2022

Too many guns and too many nutcakes. Not a good combination. Now Tulsa is under siege. Unsafe to go anywhere in America anymore without danger of getting your brains blown out. It’s worse than the fucking 1870s. Thanks NRA. Thanks Republicans. Thanks Fox News. Thanks Trump humpers.

If you want to stay alive while living in this country, stay home. Republicans have turned the streets into blood.

Ilsa

(61,675 posts)
45. I wonder any time I'm out in public. I check for exits. I look
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 09:43 PM
Jun 2022

for places to hide. I'm not hypervigilant, but I'm vigilant, which is more stress than we should be dealing with in the US.

GoodRaisin

(8,885 posts)
50. Probably not a bad idea. It might save your life one day.
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 09:53 PM
Jun 2022

I had to duck into an alley once to avoid a shooter. It’s a more likely occurrence than people think, and it’s getting more likely every day in this political environment.

Marthe48

(16,688 posts)
42. Constant shootings
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 09:31 PM
Jun 2022

Here is the link to Gun Violence Archive last 72 hours: https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/last-72-hours

The problem is guns. The solution is gun control right now.

IronLionZion

(45,250 posts)
49. Should we argue about who left the doors unlocked
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 09:47 PM
Jun 2022

since we have to ignore the guns. Or we should blame mental illness but not doing anything about treatment either. While still ignoring the guns. I'm sure the NRA can supply an answer that involves more guns.

IcyPeas

(21,737 posts)
52. the L.A. one was outside of Grant H.S. Cops think it was gang related.
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 09:57 PM
Jun 2022

Shots were fired outside Grant High School in Van Nuys Wednesday afternoon, and a 10th grader was injured, the Los Angeles Police Department and school police said.

LAPD said at around 3:24 p.m., there were reports of a shooting in front of Grant High School during dismissal. Someone reported hearing three to four gunshots, with a person down, LAPD said.

LA School police later said a 10th grader was shot in the leg.

LAPD said the shooting may have been from a car.

LAPD was searching for a green older model Honda Accord with four people inside.

https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/grant-high-school-van-nuys-shooting-lapd/2907345/

moondust

(19,917 posts)
68. Exceptional...ism.
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 12:29 AM
Jun 2022

Tell the Cancun Loon that many of the people he brags about coming here in his defense of "American Exceptionalism" are fleeing U.S. gunz and ammo in the hands of violent gangs in Latin America.

Aristus

(66,075 posts)
70. I guess the Civil War has begun.
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 07:04 PM
Jun 2022

The bad guys are armed to the teeth, and the "good guys" are a bunch of beer-bellied cowards standing around with their thumbs up their asses.

This is not going to end well for us.

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