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Samrob

(4,298 posts)
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 10:06 PM Jun 2022

Well, it turns out many Latinos are just as racist and bigoted as white supremacists.

It is really scary that many in a minority group that is scorned and hated do not believe they are. Primarily skin color has a lot to do with it. MSNBC special.

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Well, it turns out many Latinos are just as racist and bigoted as white supremacists. (Original Post) Samrob Jun 2022 OP
This country is built on white supremacy and it permeates our culture; for many, it's easier to try WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2022 #1
they've been radicalized by massive doses of RW propaganda in spanish-language media LymphocyteLover Jun 2022 #2
True. A few other things struck me after watching that special. Samrob Jun 2022 #44
great points and totally agree. Cubans particularly seem to be a problem with this attitude LymphocyteLover Jun 2022 #58
Truth be told there is racism everywhere between and among all groups YorkRd Jun 2022 #3
This is the truth. NCLefty Jun 2022 #18
Many immigrants learned quickly that being American is being racist toward nonwhites dalton99a Jun 2022 #4
In order to be accepted, they will be worse than the worst. Baitball Blogger Jun 2022 #7
Many also bring it from their malaise Jun 2022 #23
'Socialism,' 'Communism' the big scare words, elleng Jun 2022 #5
Communism is the word that scares the Cuban Americans. Ilsa Jun 2022 #29
Especially Silly, Since... ProfessorGAC Jun 2022 #31
It's all true. Baitball Blogger Jun 2022 #6
Why is this a surprise ? Just look at how black people are treated in JI7 Jun 2022 #8
Ding ding malaise Jun 2022 #24
Exactly, when I grew up in Costa Rica they were terribly racist against blacks. nt EX500rider Jun 2022 #57
Half of my family is of Hispanic descent and half of these people are racist. Bluethroughu Jun 2022 #9
I knew a Mexican apartment manager.. .he would discourage Mexicans from applying Demovictory9 Jun 2022 #20
Exactly. Bluethroughu Jun 2022 #30
I saw this turn coming Sympthsical Jun 2022 #10
Don't forget the term "LatinX" jcmaine72 Jun 2022 #25
Completely unsurprising sarisataka Jun 2022 #38
Asian Americans tend to be democratic JI7 Jun 2022 #11
That is shifting the other way too, to a point. I've posted on all this multiple times in the past. Celerity Jun 2022 #21
Add to which, too many Democrats think that Latinos are a monolithic block on immigration... brooklynite Jun 2022 #32
All voters should care about kids in cages . And they don't care about health care if they are JI7 Jun 2022 #33
They are doing the same thing (monobloc treatment) with Asians, etc, including Celerity Jun 2022 #34
Not in Orange County. Iggo Jun 2022 #37
so true, unfortunately Celerity Jun 2022 #39
The Vietnamese Americans ? JI7 Jun 2022 #42
there always was a racist bit in Hispanic culture DonCoquixote Jun 2022 #12
THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾 uponit7771 Jun 2022 #27
COLUMBUS, THE INDIANS, AND HUMAN PROGRESS Kid Berwyn Jun 2022 #28
The ones voting Republican don't care about AOC or nominating a non old white guy JI7 Jun 2022 #36
Racism, colorism exists everywhere. I think the only racism that caught me by surprise was LoisB Jun 2022 #13
Welcome to the real world. I lived in Latin America while I was growing up, and racism based Martin68 Jun 2022 #14
There was a good thread about this last night.... BigmanPigman Jun 2022 #15
Thanks! nt Samrob Jun 2022 #16
Lots of people would rather be accepted as second class citizens by the ruling class... hunter Jun 2022 #17
I don't see Latinos who are US citizens as particularly scorned and hated LeftInTX Jun 2022 #19
Millions of us were born here. Iggo Jun 2022 #43
Yes LeftInTX Jun 2022 #46
This message was self-deleted by its author LeftInTX Jun 2022 #45
Most Cuban Americans identify as Republicans. Emile Jun 2022 #22
You don't have to be white AntivaxHunters Jun 2022 #26
But many of them ARE white or consider themselves white in comparison to other Latinos JI7 Jun 2022 #35
All in a matter of days, I had a black friend spewing bigotry toward Hispanic and a LizBeth Jun 2022 #40
It shouldn't be directed at random white people either JI7 Jun 2022 #53
People tend to forget that many immigrants are socially conservative ripcord Jun 2022 #41
I've said for years: if the GOP could just dump the racism Recursion Jun 2022 #48
They would lose some white voters by doing that also JI7 Jun 2022 #52
Most Latino people in the US are racially white Recursion Jun 2022 #47
Whaa???!! Caliman73 Jun 2022 #49
I work with someone like that. ecstatic Jun 2022 #50
There are people of all races who are racists. BlackSkimmer Jun 2022 #51
Think hierarchy of superiority-- as long as you are not at the bottom andym Jun 2022 #54
I think you're right senseandsensibility Jun 2022 #55
What do you mean by racist? LeftInTX Jun 2022 #56

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,145 posts)
1. This country is built on white supremacy and it permeates our culture; for many, it's easier to try
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 10:08 PM
Jun 2022

to go along with it than to fight it.

LymphocyteLover

(5,601 posts)
2. they've been radicalized by massive doses of RW propaganda in spanish-language media
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 10:11 PM
Jun 2022

it's really messed up and sad... the right has destroyed so many people with this BS

Samrob

(4,298 posts)
44. True. A few other things struck me after watching that special.
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 01:52 PM
Jun 2022

The woman who said that she can't identify with the "values" of Democrats while breathlessly that she identifies with Republicans and thinks Trump is the best President ever might want to think about what she is saying. In essence she identifies more with insurrectionists, a lying, grifting, fraudulent, adulterous, racist, misogynistic, abusive, traitorous, functionally ignorant losing former President. What a shame.

Another woman who demeans public schools, sees brown and other non-white immigrants as illegal and unworthy of asylum, and fantasizes about a Cuba as taught to her by her parents should perhaps search out some legitimate history about Fulgencio Batista and his first and second regime as President of Cuba. (Ahh but that might be considered CRT?). A lot immigrants from socially conservative and tyrannical countries coming here in the past 50 years seem to bring with them the very behaviors they say they are escaping in their native lands. It seems like the immigrants who arrive with much easier access to citizenship, like Cubans who only have to set foot on American soil, resent and demean other immigrants coming here especially if they are really poor and really suffering from and facing life or death situations. The minute they get here the help of related established communities they begin to practice discrimination against indigenous and black Americans whose ancestors set foot here or were brought here in shackles 200 or more years ago.

How one can complain about fearing "socialism" and continue to take US Federal subsidies for their private businesses from farming to nightclubs, enjoy privileged tax loopholes that 90% of other hard-working Americans can't get, and keep getting huge sums of Federal disaster aid and continue to receive hefty insurance payouts at the same time is beyond reason.

The only people who don't want to learn about history, including their own, are those who feel or who actually are guilty of a history that embarrasses them.

LymphocyteLover

(5,601 posts)
58. great points and totally agree. Cubans particularly seem to be a problem with this attitude
Sat Jun 4, 2022, 09:43 AM
Jun 2022

for whatever reason

YorkRd

(326 posts)
3. Truth be told there is racism everywhere between and among all groups
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 10:11 PM
Jun 2022

There are also people in all groups who fight against it.

dalton99a

(81,065 posts)
4. Many immigrants learned quickly that being American is being racist toward nonwhites
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 10:12 PM
Jun 2022

Some are more bigoted than the Klan


Ilsa

(61,675 posts)
29. Communism is the word that scares the Cuban Americans.
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 08:24 AM
Jun 2022

It is misused, and people choose to believe the propaganda without thinking about the manipulation.

ProfessorGAC

(64,413 posts)
31. Especially Silly, Since...
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 09:28 AM
Jun 2022

...Castro wasn't really a communist & only went socialist/statist because the USSR offered support.
Communism is not really what they fear. It was dictatorship.

Baitball Blogger

(46,574 posts)
6. It's all true.
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 10:14 PM
Jun 2022

Except education can transcend color. They respect professionals and skilled craftsmen or artists.

JI7

(89,173 posts)
8. Why is this a surprise ? Just look at how black people are treated in
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 10:16 PM
Jun 2022

many Latin American countries.

Bluethroughu

(5,095 posts)
9. Half of my family is of Hispanic descent and half of these people are racist.
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 10:24 PM
Jun 2022

No we are no longer close.

My mexican father-in-law, literally said, "the Mexicans are taking over", in reference to most of the empty store fronts filled with Mexican businesses in his town.

I was so shocked, because I had my two children sitting there, and feeling insecure after trump won and the children they grew up with chanting "build the wall", at the Hispanic kids the day after his election. I said to the FIL, "those Mexicans are filling the revenue gap left by empty store fronts. Why shouldn't they be proud to have their business, it's no different than an Irish pub, Italian restaurant, or Chinese take out".

I call it Archy Bunker racists, because their friends of color don't count as THOSE OTHERS. They don't even see themselves as those others, while looking in the mirror. I'm losing my patience with these people, because they listen agree with you, but the next day get back to racism.

Demovictory9

(32,323 posts)
20. I knew a Mexican apartment manager.. .he would discourage Mexicans from applying
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 04:36 AM
Jun 2022


discussions went know where as he had so many internalized biases against his own group and others. But loved white people. I would point out comments he JUST MADE... "I DIDN"T SAY THAT"!

Sympthsical

(8,935 posts)
10. I saw this turn coming
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 10:26 PM
Jun 2022

As soon as Latino polling numbers shift, watch how fast the venom flies.

Targeting a minority group like is never a good look. Nose, face, spite, etc.

In the end, who will be left?

Maybe try to figure out why our message isn't working and seek ways to repair and enhance it.

If the terms "white adjacent" and "white supremacy" start being tossed out at Latinos, you're doing it very wrong. It's damaging our party. We already have the proof in the numbers.

jcmaine72

(1,773 posts)
25. Don't forget the term "LatinX"
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 07:49 AM
Jun 2022

That one goes over like a lead balloon almost every time.

If the terms "white adjacent" and "white supremacy" start being tossed out at Latinos, you're doing it very wrong. It's damaging our party. We already have the proof in the numbers.


Condescension, name-calling and incessant demonization are not winning strategies. You'd think that would have been lesson learned by our party's loss of poor white and working class voters, once a lock to vote Democratic. But no, it's easier simply to label and dismiss ALL the voters you've lost due to piss-poor messaging as "white supremacists", including the non-white ones, rather than attempt to understand why your message isn't resonating.

We'll keep losing Latinos (They're not a monolith, BTW. Perhaps we should start there) and even some Asians in increasing numbers until this lesson is learned.

Celerity

(42,646 posts)
21. That is shifting the other way too, to a point. I've posted on all this multiple times in the past.
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 05:23 AM
Jun 2022

For the RW, it is the perfect divide et impera opportunity, as significant parts of our non white coalition are biased (and becoming more so in some cases) against other parts of our coalition, especially blacks and LGBTQ folk (I am both).

Also there is a schism over the more disparate ideological elements within our big tent, and an intersectional convergence of fracture points.

An example of this was Latinos from all over the US (not just the stereotypical wild eyed ultra RW Cubanos of South Florida) saying that there was far too much emphasis in schools on slavery, on blacks in general in regards to racism, and on LGBTQ, especially trans.

Multiple Latinos, not just SoFL radical Cubanos, called it communist indoctrination. Many said that it goes against both their culture and religion. The fastest growing religious group (another subject I have posted on) in the US by far is evangelical Latinos. For the first time ever in the planet, a massive group of Latinos (US ones) are now less than 50 per cent Catholic. The large negative impact to us is that evangelical Latinos, just like all evangelicals, vote Rethug a lot more.

Combine that with the RW even making inroads with blacks, especially black males, and it all could well mean potential vast diminution of the ethnic part of 'demographics are destiny' mantra.

brooklynite

(93,851 posts)
32. Add to which, too many Democrats think that Latinos are a monolithic block on immigration...
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 09:48 AM
Jun 2022

...and that messaging on "paths to citizenship" or "kids in cages" is enough to secure their vote.

Most Latino voters have been here for generations. They speak english. Their relatives immigrated through the legal process. And they care about the same issues other voters care about: jobs, small businesses, education of their children, health care, etc.

JI7

(89,173 posts)
33. All voters should care about kids in cages . And they don't care about health care if they are
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 10:06 AM
Jun 2022

voting Republican . If they are voting Republican then their concerns are things like opposing gay rights and abortion rights .

I agree that the top concern for many isn't immigration even if they support it . But the ones voting republican are not concerned about education of their children or small businesses.

Celerity

(42,646 posts)
34. They are doing the same thing (monobloc treatment) with Asians, etc, including
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 10:06 AM
Jun 2022

'suburban' voters. Many people wrongly assume that the overwhelming majority of all or most all subgroups of non whites are for going to remain captured forever within the Democratic penumbra, which is not the case at all atm.

DonCoquixote

(13,615 posts)
12. there always was a racist bit in Hispanic culture
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 10:33 PM
Jun 2022

because sadly, just like the anglos, we were taught to fear blacks, even though many of us ARE black. However, there is one thing that sadly, the Democrats forgot, it helps to make an OUTREACH to Latinos, EN ESPANOL. Take AOC, half the stuff you hear about her is that she is young, not "professional" enough, which by the way, is a very well known code for racism. It does ntothelp that the church is doing it's best to bend minds, despite the fact that the first latin american pope is against the right wing, and no, it does not help when you hear some of the Archie bunker types in the Democrats talk as if all would be well if we just nominated an old white guy. Yes, some of the Bernie voters fit that mold (bill maher and jimmy dore, I am SO looking at you.)

Kid Berwyn

(14,650 posts)
28. COLUMBUS, THE INDIANS, AND HUMAN PROGRESS
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 08:19 AM
Jun 2022

By Howard Zinn

Arawak men and women, naked, tawny, and full of wonder, emerged from their villages onto the island's beaches and swam out to get a closer look at the strange big boat. When Columbus and his sailors came ashore, carrying swords, speaking oddly, the Arawaks ran to greet them, brought them food, water, gifts. He later wrote of this in his log:

They ... brought us parrots and balls of cotton and spears and many other things, which they exchanged for the glass beads and hawks' bells. They willingly traded everything they owned... . They were well-built, with good bodies and handsome features.... They do not bear arms, and do not know them, for I showed them a sword, they took it by the edge and cut themselves out of ignorance. They have no iron. Their spears are made of cane... . They would make fine servants.... With fifty men we could subjugate them all and make them do whatever we want.


These Arawaks of the Bahama Islands were much like Indians on the mainland, who were remarkable (European observers were to say again and again) for their hospitality, their belief in sharing. These traits did not stand out in the Europe of the Renaissance, dominated as it was by the religion of popes, the government of kings, the frenzy for money that marked Western civilization and its first messenger to the Americas, Christopher Columbus.

Columbus ⿻ wrote:

As soon as I arrived in the Indies, on the first Island which I found, I took some of the natives by force in order that they might learn and might give me information of whatever there is in these parts.

The information that Columbus wanted most was: Where is the gold? He had persuaded the king and queen of Spain to finance an expedition to the lands, the wealth, he expected would be on the other side of the Atlantic-the Indies and Asia, gold and spices. For, like other informed people of his time, he knew the world was round and he could sail west in order to get to the Far East.

Spain was recently unified, one of the new modern nation-states, like France, England, and Portugal. Its population, mostly poor peasants, worked for the nobility, who were 2 percent of the population and owned 95 percent of the land. Spain had tied itself to the Catholic Church, expelled all the Jews, driven out the Moors. Like other states of the modern world, Spain sought gold, which was becoming the new mark of wealth, more useful than land because it could buy anything.

Continues…

https://www.historyisaweapon.com/defcon1/zinncol1.html

JI7

(89,173 posts)
36. The ones voting Republican don't care about AOC or nominating a non old white guy
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 10:11 AM
Jun 2022

IF they are voting Republican they aren't doing so because they are offended over criticism of AOC . Or because they don't want an old white guy for PResident.

They are doing so because they don't like black people, gays , oppose abortion . Get triggered over anything they see as socialism/communism etc .

LoisB

(7,072 posts)
13. Racism, colorism exists everywhere. I think the only racism that caught me by surprise was
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 10:41 PM
Jun 2022

that of First Americans against Black people. One would think that all "minorities" who have a common oppressor would be united against that oppressor but no, "divide and conquer" has worked well in this country.

Martin68

(22,671 posts)
14. Welcome to the real world. I lived in Latin America while I was growing up, and racism based
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 10:42 PM
Jun 2022

on skin color was rampant. There have been a lot of articles about racism in Brazil, where it was long believed there were no barriers based on skin color.

hunter

(38,264 posts)
17. Lots of people would rather be accepted as second class citizens by the ruling class...
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 11:39 PM
Jun 2022

... than have to think for themselves. That's not really a phenomena based on skin color, national origin, religion etc.

A lot of people believe if they "play by the rules" of a society (as they perceive those rules) they'll eventually be assimilated by those they regard as authorities.

It's the same phenomena as gay people who vote Republican. Sure, they might have their right to marry their partners rescinded, they might be discriminated against in many other ways, but they'd rather be accepted at the table by those they perceive as authorities than resist those authorities.

LeftInTX

(24,549 posts)
19. I don't see Latinos who are US citizens as particularly scorned and hated
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 04:22 AM
Jun 2022

BTW: They were big GW Bush supporters

Keep in mind that Latino voters in the US are US citizens. They have been here for many years before they were eligible for citizenship. If you are talking about recent immigrants, they're a whole different group. Immigrants who aren't citizens can't vote, hence we can't appeal to them etc. We can't ask them to vote for us etc etc etc...It can take decades to become a US citizen.

But why do you say they are racist and bigotted?

LeftInTX

(24,549 posts)
46. Yes
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 01:58 PM
Jun 2022

My husband is 100% Mexican-American and he doesn't walk around feeling scorned and hated.

Maybe if he moved up to a white area he would, but not around here.

Response to LeftInTX (Reply #19)

JI7

(89,173 posts)
35. But many of them ARE white or consider themselves white in comparison to other Latinos
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 10:09 AM
Jun 2022

even if they might consider themselves as different from European whites .

So both can be possible .

But in the end it's about bigotry which is the same as for most republicans.

LizBeth

(9,946 posts)
40. All in a matter of days, I had a black friend spewing bigotry toward Hispanic and a
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 12:10 PM
Jun 2022

Hispanic friend spewing bigotry toward black people. My mouth hung open. Told them both the anger should be directed at white people. That was a couple decades ago and has brought it up since. It stuck with me.

That being said, Steinem has a quote I wish I could find where she discusses women that align themselves with men who have the power, want to be part of the group. That what they are doing is the "all women" except them. It made sense.

JI7

(89,173 posts)
53. It shouldn't be directed at random white people either
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 08:43 PM
Jun 2022

In this case they appear to be the problem .

ripcord

(5,084 posts)
41. People tend to forget that many immigrants are socially conservative
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 12:18 PM
Jun 2022

Other than immigration most support the same issues as republicans.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
48. I've said for years: if the GOP could just dump the racism
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 02:12 PM
Jun 2022

And run on "low taxes, low regulations, go to church on Sunday" they would get 50% of the black vote and 90% of the Latino vote. But they can't do it.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
47. Most Latino people in the US are racially white
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 02:11 PM
Jun 2022

And Latino immigrants tend to vote indistinguishably from white people after 1 generation in the US

Caliman73

(11,693 posts)
49. Whaa???!!
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 02:25 PM
Jun 2022

You mean to tell me that cultures born out of colonization by White Europeans, who adopted the classism and colorism of those White Europeans also have a problem with White Supremacy?

Mind blown...

Sorry, I could not help it. Do you know that some Black people also look down on their own people and there is colorism among Black people?

This is what people mean when they talk about systemic racism. It is baked into the fabric or so much of world history because of colonialism and the Slave Trade, that it is everywhere.

Because accurate history is not taught in American schools and I would imagine in most schools around the world, people don't seem to understand that those systems of control were set up everywhere that the colonial empires went. People are surprised when Latinos are racist because they are only typically viewed as "the other" or "the oppressed". They do not understand that there were strict class and race systems built into colonial societies in Mexico, Central, and South America.

How many "negrito" Presidents have we seen in the Latin American countries?

ecstatic

(32,566 posts)
50. I work with someone like that.
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 04:32 PM
Jun 2022

She's from Mexico--she has a racist and anti-immigrant world view. She goes off on rants about the freebies that "illegals" are getting--luxury apartments, flights all over the country, etc. Last year, she drunk-called me in tears because she was concerned that President Biden is turning the country either socialist or communist (I can't remember which word she used, it may have been both terms used). She was panicking and wondering if she would have to move again and said that that's why she moved to the United States, to escape that. I told her I too was trying to move but due to escaping republican lawlessness. I always push back on her nonsense / ignorance.

andym

(5,441 posts)
54. Think hierarchy of superiority-- as long as you are not at the bottom
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 08:46 PM
Jun 2022

it seems to be attractive to various groups of people. It's as if a group can be identified that one is "better" than, it attracts people.

senseandsensibility

(16,713 posts)
55. I think you're right
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 08:49 PM
Jun 2022

The need for humans (especially some humans) to feel superior to others is very destructive but unfortunately well documented.

LeftInTX

(24,549 posts)
56. What do you mean by racist?
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 11:24 PM
Jun 2022

If by the fact that they aren't fond of immigrants, well that's a fact. It's not racist. They just don't want immigrants in. I believe the correct word is xenophobic. It's no different than white people not wanting more Europeans in the country.

Are they anti-black? Then that's racist. Do they discriminate against dark skin Latinos? That's also racist.

Are they considered to be racist because they're conservative? Don't like LGBT? (That's homophobic)

I really don't see Latinos as racist
They seem less racist than white people to me.

If you're looking at Cubans in the US they're plain old conservative and they're mostly white. (European Spanish)

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