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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWell, it turns out many Latinos are just as racist and bigoted as white supremacists.
It is really scary that many in a minority group that is scorned and hated do not believe they are. Primarily skin color has a lot to do with it. MSNBC special.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,145 posts)to go along with it than to fight it.
LymphocyteLover
(5,601 posts)it's really messed up and sad... the right has destroyed so many people with this BS
Samrob
(4,298 posts)The woman who said that she can't identify with the "values" of Democrats while breathlessly that she identifies with Republicans and thinks Trump is the best President ever might want to think about what she is saying. In essence she identifies more with insurrectionists, a lying, grifting, fraudulent, adulterous, racist, misogynistic, abusive, traitorous, functionally ignorant losing former President. What a shame.
Another woman who demeans public schools, sees brown and other non-white immigrants as illegal and unworthy of asylum, and fantasizes about a Cuba as taught to her by her parents should perhaps search out some legitimate history about Fulgencio Batista and his first and second regime as President of Cuba. (Ahh but that might be considered CRT?). A lot immigrants from socially conservative and tyrannical countries coming here in the past 50 years seem to bring with them the very behaviors they say they are escaping in their native lands. It seems like the immigrants who arrive with much easier access to citizenship, like Cubans who only have to set foot on American soil, resent and demean other immigrants coming here especially if they are really poor and really suffering from and facing life or death situations. The minute they get here the help of related established communities they begin to practice discrimination against indigenous and black Americans whose ancestors set foot here or were brought here in shackles 200 or more years ago.
How one can complain about fearing "socialism" and continue to take US Federal subsidies for their private businesses from farming to nightclubs, enjoy privileged tax loopholes that 90% of other hard-working Americans can't get, and keep getting huge sums of Federal disaster aid and continue to receive hefty insurance payouts at the same time is beyond reason.
The only people who don't want to learn about history, including their own, are those who feel or who actually are guilty of a history that embarrasses them.
LymphocyteLover
(5,601 posts)for whatever reason
YorkRd
(326 posts)There are also people in all groups who fight against it.
NCLefty
(3,678 posts)dalton99a
(81,065 posts)Some are more bigoted than the Klan
Baitball Blogger
(46,574 posts)malaise
(267,804 posts)home countries
elleng
(130,128 posts)used effectively by repugs.
Dems gotta CORRECT.
Ilsa
(61,675 posts)It is misused, and people choose to believe the propaganda without thinking about the manipulation.
ProfessorGAC
(64,413 posts)...Castro wasn't really a communist & only went socialist/statist because the USSR offered support.
Communism is not really what they fear. It was dictatorship.
Baitball Blogger
(46,574 posts)Except education can transcend color. They respect professionals and skilled craftsmen or artists.
JI7
(89,173 posts)many Latin American countries.
Indigenous people as well
EX500rider
(10,518 posts)Bluethroughu
(5,095 posts)No we are no longer close.
My mexican father-in-law, literally said, "the Mexicans are taking over", in reference to most of the empty store fronts filled with Mexican businesses in his town.
I was so shocked, because I had my two children sitting there, and feeling insecure after trump won and the children they grew up with chanting "build the wall", at the Hispanic kids the day after his election. I said to the FIL, "those Mexicans are filling the revenue gap left by empty store fronts. Why shouldn't they be proud to have their business, it's no different than an Irish pub, Italian restaurant, or Chinese take out".
I call it Archy Bunker racists, because their friends of color don't count as THOSE OTHERS. They don't even see themselves as those others, while looking in the mirror. I'm losing my patience with these people, because they listen agree with you, but the next day get back to racism.
Demovictory9
(32,323 posts)discussions went know where as he had so many internalized biases against his own group and others. But loved white people. I would point out comments he JUST MADE... "I DIDN"T SAY THAT"!
Bluethroughu
(5,095 posts)Sympthsical
(8,935 posts)As soon as Latino polling numbers shift, watch how fast the venom flies.
Targeting a minority group like is never a good look. Nose, face, spite, etc.
In the end, who will be left?
Maybe try to figure out why our message isn't working and seek ways to repair and enhance it.
If the terms "white adjacent" and "white supremacy" start being tossed out at Latinos, you're doing it very wrong. It's damaging our party. We already have the proof in the numbers.
jcmaine72
(1,773 posts)That one goes over like a lead balloon almost every time.
If the terms "white adjacent" and "white supremacy" start being tossed out at Latinos, you're doing it very wrong. It's damaging our party. We already have the proof in the numbers.
Condescension, name-calling and incessant demonization are not winning strategies. You'd think that would have been lesson learned by our party's loss of poor white and working class voters, once a lock to vote Democratic. But no, it's easier simply to label and dismiss ALL the voters you've lost due to piss-poor messaging as "white supremacists", including the non-white ones, rather than attempt to understand why your message isn't resonating.
We'll keep losing Latinos (They're not a monolith, BTW. Perhaps we should start there) and even some Asians in increasing numbers until this lesson is learned.
sarisataka
(18,216 posts)Sadly.
JI7
(89,173 posts)Celerity
(42,646 posts)For the RW, it is the perfect divide et impera opportunity, as significant parts of our non white coalition are biased (and becoming more so in some cases) against other parts of our coalition, especially blacks and LGBTQ folk (I am both).
Also there is a schism over the more disparate ideological elements within our big tent, and an intersectional convergence of fracture points.
An example of this was Latinos from all over the US (not just the stereotypical wild eyed ultra RW Cubanos of South Florida) saying that there was far too much emphasis in schools on slavery, on blacks in general in regards to racism, and on LGBTQ, especially trans.
Multiple Latinos, not just SoFL radical Cubanos, called it communist indoctrination. Many said that it goes against both their culture and religion. The fastest growing religious group (another subject I have posted on) in the US by far is evangelical Latinos. For the first time ever in the planet, a massive group of Latinos (US ones) are now less than 50 per cent Catholic. The large negative impact to us is that evangelical Latinos, just like all evangelicals, vote Rethug a lot more.
Combine that with the RW even making inroads with blacks, especially black males, and it all could well mean potential vast diminution of the ethnic part of 'demographics are destiny' mantra.
brooklynite
(93,851 posts)...and that messaging on "paths to citizenship" or "kids in cages" is enough to secure their vote.
Most Latino voters have been here for generations. They speak english. Their relatives immigrated through the legal process. And they care about the same issues other voters care about: jobs, small businesses, education of their children, health care, etc.
JI7
(89,173 posts)voting Republican . If they are voting Republican then their concerns are things like opposing gay rights and abortion rights .
I agree that the top concern for many isn't immigration even if they support it . But the ones voting republican are not concerned about education of their children or small businesses.
Celerity
(42,646 posts)'suburban' voters. Many people wrongly assume that the overwhelming majority of all or most all subgroups of non whites are for going to remain captured forever within the Democratic penumbra, which is not the case at all atm.
Iggo
(47,487 posts)Celerity
(42,646 posts)JI7
(89,173 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,615 posts)because sadly, just like the anglos, we were taught to fear blacks, even though many of us ARE black. However, there is one thing that sadly, the Democrats forgot, it helps to make an OUTREACH to Latinos, EN ESPANOL. Take AOC, half the stuff you hear about her is that she is young, not "professional" enough, which by the way, is a very well known code for racism. It does ntothelp that the church is doing it's best to bend minds, despite the fact that the first latin american pope is against the right wing, and no, it does not help when you hear some of the Archie bunker types in the Democrats talk as if all would be well if we just nominated an old white guy. Yes, some of the Bernie voters fit that mold (bill maher and jimmy dore, I am SO looking at you.)
uponit7771
(90,225 posts)Kid Berwyn
(14,650 posts)By Howard Zinn
Arawak men and women, naked, tawny, and full of wonder, emerged from their villages onto the island's beaches and swam out to get a closer look at the strange big boat. When Columbus and his sailors came ashore, carrying swords, speaking oddly, the Arawaks ran to greet them, brought them food, water, gifts. He later wrote of this in his log:
They ... brought us parrots and balls of cotton and spears and many other things, which they exchanged for the glass beads and hawks' bells. They willingly traded everything they owned... . They were well-built, with good bodies and handsome features.... They do not bear arms, and do not know them, for I showed them a sword, they took it by the edge and cut themselves out of ignorance. They have no iron. Their spears are made of cane... . They would make fine servants.... With fifty men we could subjugate them all and make them do whatever we want.
These Arawaks of the Bahama Islands were much like Indians on the mainland, who were remarkable (European observers were to say again and again) for their hospitality, their belief in sharing. These traits did not stand out in the Europe of the Renaissance, dominated as it was by the religion of popes, the government of kings, the frenzy for money that marked Western civilization and its first messenger to the Americas, Christopher Columbus.
Columbus ⿻ wrote:
As soon as I arrived in the Indies, on the first Island which I found, I took some of the natives by force in order that they might learn and might give me information of whatever there is in these parts.
The information that Columbus wanted most was: Where is the gold? He had persuaded the king and queen of Spain to finance an expedition to the lands, the wealth, he expected would be on the other side of the Atlantic-the Indies and Asia, gold and spices. For, like other informed people of his time, he knew the world was round and he could sail west in order to get to the Far East.
Spain was recently unified, one of the new modern nation-states, like France, England, and Portugal. Its population, mostly poor peasants, worked for the nobility, who were 2 percent of the population and owned 95 percent of the land. Spain had tied itself to the Catholic Church, expelled all the Jews, driven out the Moors. Like other states of the modern world, Spain sought gold, which was becoming the new mark of wealth, more useful than land because it could buy anything.
Continues
https://www.historyisaweapon.com/defcon1/zinncol1.html
JI7
(89,173 posts)IF they are voting Republican they aren't doing so because they are offended over criticism of AOC . Or because they don't want an old white guy for PResident.
They are doing so because they don't like black people, gays , oppose abortion . Get triggered over anything they see as socialism/communism etc .
LoisB
(7,072 posts)that of First Americans against Black people. One would think that all "minorities" who have a common oppressor would be united against that oppressor but no, "divide and conquer" has worked well in this country.
Martin68
(22,671 posts)on skin color was rampant. There have been a lot of articles about racism in Brazil, where it was long believed there were no barriers based on skin color.
BigmanPigman
(51,430 posts)Samrob
(4,298 posts)hunter
(38,264 posts)... than have to think for themselves. That's not really a phenomena based on skin color, national origin, religion etc.
A lot of people believe if they "play by the rules" of a society (as they perceive those rules) they'll eventually be assimilated by those they regard as authorities.
It's the same phenomena as gay people who vote Republican. Sure, they might have their right to marry their partners rescinded, they might be discriminated against in many other ways, but they'd rather be accepted at the table by those they perceive as authorities than resist those authorities.
LeftInTX
(24,549 posts)BTW: They were big GW Bush supporters
Keep in mind that Latino voters in the US are US citizens. They have been here for many years before they were eligible for citizenship. If you are talking about recent immigrants, they're a whole different group. Immigrants who aren't citizens can't vote, hence we can't appeal to them etc. We can't ask them to vote for us etc etc etc...It can take decades to become a US citizen.
But why do you say they are racist and bigotted?
Iggo
(47,487 posts)My husband is 100% Mexican-American and he doesn't walk around feeling scorned and hated.
Maybe if he moved up to a white area he would, but not around here.
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Emile
(21,892 posts)Unlike other Hispanic registered voters in the United States, most Cuban Americans identify as Republican.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/10/02/most-cuban-american-voters-identify-as-republican-in-2020/
AntivaxHunters
(3,234 posts)to be a white supremacist.
JI7
(89,173 posts)even if they might consider themselves as different from European whites .
So both can be possible .
But in the end it's about bigotry which is the same as for most republicans.
LizBeth
(9,946 posts)Hispanic friend spewing bigotry toward black people. My mouth hung open. Told them both the anger should be directed at white people. That was a couple decades ago and has brought it up since. It stuck with me.
That being said, Steinem has a quote I wish I could find where she discusses women that align themselves with men who have the power, want to be part of the group. That what they are doing is the "all women" except them. It made sense.
JI7
(89,173 posts)In this case they appear to be the problem .
ripcord
(5,084 posts)Other than immigration most support the same issues as republicans.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)And run on "low taxes, low regulations, go to church on Sunday" they would get 50% of the black vote and 90% of the Latino vote. But they can't do it.
JI7
(89,173 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)And Latino immigrants tend to vote indistinguishably from white people after 1 generation in the US
Caliman73
(11,693 posts)You mean to tell me that cultures born out of colonization by White Europeans, who adopted the classism and colorism of those White Europeans also have a problem with White Supremacy?
Mind blown...
Sorry, I could not help it. Do you know that some Black people also look down on their own people and there is colorism among Black people?
This is what people mean when they talk about systemic racism. It is baked into the fabric or so much of world history because of colonialism and the Slave Trade, that it is everywhere.
Because accurate history is not taught in American schools and I would imagine in most schools around the world, people don't seem to understand that those systems of control were set up everywhere that the colonial empires went. People are surprised when Latinos are racist because they are only typically viewed as "the other" or "the oppressed". They do not understand that there were strict class and race systems built into colonial societies in Mexico, Central, and South America.
How many "negrito" Presidents have we seen in the Latin American countries?
ecstatic
(32,566 posts)She's from Mexico--she has a racist and anti-immigrant world view. She goes off on rants about the freebies that "illegals" are getting--luxury apartments, flights all over the country, etc. Last year, she drunk-called me in tears because she was concerned that President Biden is turning the country either socialist or communist (I can't remember which word she used, it may have been both terms used). She was panicking and wondering if she would have to move again and said that that's why she moved to the United States, to escape that. I told her I too was trying to move but due to escaping republican lawlessness. I always push back on her nonsense / ignorance.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)That's just a plain fact.
andym
(5,441 posts)it seems to be attractive to various groups of people. It's as if a group can be identified that one is "better" than, it attracts people.
senseandsensibility
(16,713 posts)The need for humans (especially some humans) to feel superior to others is very destructive but unfortunately well documented.
LeftInTX
(24,549 posts)If by the fact that they aren't fond of immigrants, well that's a fact. It's not racist. They just don't want immigrants in. I believe the correct word is xenophobic. It's no different than white people not wanting more Europeans in the country.
Are they anti-black? Then that's racist. Do they discriminate against dark skin Latinos? That's also racist.
Are they considered to be racist because they're conservative? Don't like LGBT? (That's homophobic)
I really don't see Latinos as racist
They seem less racist than white people to me.
If you're looking at Cubans in the US they're plain old conservative and they're mostly white. (European Spanish)