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brooklynite

(93,880 posts)
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 09:58 PM Jun 2022

Council speaker claps back at AOC's budget gripes (NYC)

Politico

NEW YORK — City Council Speaker Adrienne Adams told progressive Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez to stay in her lane on Thursday, after the Congress member weighed in on a Council budget dispute that has fractured the body’s progressive wing.

“Some federal elected officials forget that a city is not managed through Twitter or social media,” Adams said at an unrelated press conference, not mentioning Ocasio-Cortez by name. “I’ve stepped back and decided not to engage in the back-and-forth mudslinging and frankly slander by some, who acted without factual information, showed no care to, and never bothered to even seek the truth. Today, I want to set the record straight, because facts still do matter, at least to me, even if they may not to others.”

The speaker, a fellow Democrat, was responding unprompted to a series of tweets Ocasio-Cortez has made in recent days lambasting funding choices in the city’s $101.1 billion budget.

The budget attracted AOC’s attention after a group of breakaway progressives who voted against the fiscal plan claimed the speaker penalized them by withholding discretionary funds they allocate to local causes. On Thursday, Adams said she did allocate money to the members’ pet projects, but just did not credit them by name in the budget.


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Council speaker claps back at AOC's budget gripes (NYC) (Original Post) brooklynite Jun 2022 OP
"Some federal elected officials forget that a city is not managed through Twitter or social media," nycbos Jun 2022 #1
Exactly.. Thank You! K&R.. Cha Jun 2022 #12
AOC is really frustrating sometimes Dorian Gray Jun 2022 #26
Up to her old game of attacking other Democrats. brush Jun 2022 #2
It's the council person doing the attacking, unprovoked questionseverything Jun 2022 #4
"Unprovoked..." brooklynite Jun 2022 #6
The article says unprompted questionseverything Jun 2022 #10
No, unprompted is not "close" to unprovoked. onenote Jun 2022 #21
Discussing budgets isn't attacking questionseverything Jun 2022 #22
Accusing someone of "dirty politics" onenote Jun 2022 #23
You're so wrong. Get your facts straight. See post 6. brush Jun 2022 #9
Post 6 is a new article, so lil goal post moving questionseverything Jun 2022 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author SunImp Jun 2022 #15
Not how it read to me. CrackityJones75 Jun 2022 #17
The 3rd paragraph is what I am referring to questionseverything Jun 2022 #20
This is backwards Dorian Gray Jun 2022 #27
For No reason, either... from the article.. Cha Jun 2022 #33
How can one city have a 101.1 billion dollar budget? questionseverything Jun 2022 #3
Would you rather have a poor city that can't provide services? brooklynite Jun 2022 #5
What is 101 billion divided by 8 million? questionseverything Jun 2022 #8
You forget the immense phylny Jun 2022 #25
Everybody in NYC doesn't live in ultra expensive Manhattan. brush Jun 2022 #35
$12,625 ProfessorGAC Jun 2022 #37
Read my post #20 questionseverything Jun 2022 #38
As much as people like to beat up on Bezos and Musk... brooklynite Jun 2022 #41
There must be to pay for 101 billion dollar budget questionseverything Jun 2022 #42
There are also corporate business taxes. brooklynite Jun 2022 #43
Because it services 8 million people? Retrograde Jun 2022 #7
Just handling the poop costs a fortune. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2022 #11
Illinois has 12.72 million people & a 87.5 billion budget questionseverything Jun 2022 #13
The geography is also very different. CrackityJones75 Jun 2022 #18
OK, throw in all the commuters Retrograde Jun 2022 #19
TY Adrienne Adams! "..On Thursday, Adams said she did allocate money to the members' pet projects, Cha Jun 2022 #14
There should be "enough professional courtesy to pick up a phone and come to the source." betsuni Jun 2022 #24
Hypocritical for Adams to say from a news conference...lol questionseverything Jun 2022 #28
Why? betsuni Jun 2022 #29
Because a news conference sure isn't "picking up the phone " questionseverything Jun 2022 #30
Huh? betsuni Jun 2022 #31
Well AOC used Twitter to air her issues that is read by millions. sheshe2 Jun 2022 #36
She needs to stay in her lane JustAnotherGen Jun 2022 #32
Well said, Gen!💙 Cha Jun 2022 #34
It's the budget for the city she lives in questionseverything Jun 2022 #39
"a city is not managed through Twitter or social media" Nixie Jun 2022 #40

nycbos

(6,033 posts)
1. "Some federal elected officials forget that a city is not managed through Twitter or social media,"
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 10:01 PM
Jun 2022

YES THANK YOU.

Dorian Gray

(13,469 posts)
26. AOC is really frustrating sometimes
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 06:13 AM
Jun 2022

I think she's a great communicator. But she ruins relationships with local, state wide, and national leaders, which makes her unable to build coalitions to get things done. Some of this could be tackled by thinking before she tweets. Stop and consider whether what she is going to say will be helpful in the long run.

brush

(53,475 posts)
2. Up to her old game of attacking other Democrats.
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 10:21 PM
Jun 2022

Last edited Thu Jun 16, 2022, 10:51 PM - Edit history (1)

When will she learn to go after republicans?

brooklynite

(93,880 posts)
6. "Unprovoked..."
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 10:30 PM
Jun 2022
"Ocasio-Cortez Accuses City Council Speaker of Playing ‘Dirty Politics’"

Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a frequent critic of moderate Democrats in her own party, has accused the speaker of the New York City Council of playing “dirty politics” against several progressive Democrats.

Ms. Ocasio-Cortez criticized the speaker, Adrienne Adams, over a final city budget deal that she said included “unconscionable” cuts to education, and accused her of punishing Council members — most of them sharing Ms. Ocasio-Cortez’s leftist views — who voted against her.

In an Instagram video on Tuesday night that was captioned “What dirty politics looks like,” the congresswoman said that the speaker deprived community groups that were supported by dissenting members, including an after-school program at a Boys & Girls Club in Queens.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/15/nyregion/aoc-city-council-budget.html

onenote

(42,383 posts)
21. No, unprompted is not "close" to unprovoked.
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 11:48 PM
Jun 2022

AOC's attack was the provocation. The response was "unprompted" because Adams was not responding to a question about the attacks. See the difference?

onenote

(42,383 posts)
23. Accusing someone of "dirty politics"
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 01:23 AM
Jun 2022

and characterizing their actions as engaging in "movie villain type of decision-making" -- which is just some of the things AOC accused Adams of -- seems like an attack to me, not just "discussing" budgets.

questionseverything

(9,631 posts)
16. Post 6 is a new article, so lil goal post moving
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 11:04 PM
Jun 2022

The op I responded to says the council person was unprompted

I still can’t get over 101 billion dollars for 8 million people

Response to questionseverything (Reply #4)

questionseverything

(9,631 posts)
20. The 3rd paragraph is what I am referring to
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 11:39 PM
Jun 2022

Can’t copy/paste on my phone

So by my math nyc has $101,000,000,000 budget for 8,000,000 people =$12,625

Illinois has 87,000,000,000 for 12,000,000 people =
$7250.

I am just surprised since we have received so much budget grief

Dorian Gray

(13,469 posts)
27. This is backwards
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 06:14 AM
Jun 2022

AOC attacked unprovoked. Adams was responding to AOC calling her dirty politics and a movie villain.

Cha

(295,929 posts)
33. For No reason, either... from the article..
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 04:09 PM
Jun 2022
"..On Thursday, Adams said she did allocate money to the members' pet projects
but just did not credit them by name in the budget."


💙💛

questionseverything

(9,631 posts)
3. How can one city have a 101.1 billion dollar budget?
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 10:25 PM
Jun 2022

It’s no wonder regular people can’t afford to live there

brooklynite

(93,880 posts)
5. Would you rather have a poor city that can't provide services?
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 10:28 PM
Jun 2022

Living in NYC is expensive because people actually WANT to move here. And the people who pay top dollar for housing also pay high taxes to support city operations.

questionseverything

(9,631 posts)
8. What is 101 billion divided by 8 million?
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 10:38 PM
Jun 2022

That’s more zeros than I can handle easily

I wonder if they really want to be there or if they just don’t have the means to pickup and start over
(Regular people I mean, not wealthy folks)

phylny

(8,353 posts)
25. You forget the immense
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 06:09 AM
Jun 2022

number of companies/businesses that operate in NYC plus the sales tax generated by tri-state commuters.

ProfessorGAC

(64,427 posts)
37. $12,625
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 08:45 PM
Jun 2022

It's not that many zeroes. Slightly into 5 figures.
In 2021, the federal government spent or transferred $6.82 trillion. This is for something over 330 million people, or over $20,000 per capita.
I don't think you thought this through.

questionseverything

(9,631 posts)
38. Read my post #20
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 09:22 PM
Jun 2022

Nyc’s city budget is more per capita than Illinois state budget is per capita

I am assuming the state of ny has a separate budget and of course both places have federal monies too

I was just surprised at how high it was…. And if you take into account how many people pay nothing (because they can’t) then the average goes up again

brooklynite

(93,880 posts)
41. As much as people like to beat up on Bezos and Musk...
Tue Jun 21, 2022, 08:18 AM
Jun 2022

There are a lot of wealthy people living in New York City who DO pay very high taxes (property AND income).

Retrograde

(10,073 posts)
7. Because it services 8 million people?
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 10:31 PM
Jun 2022

Transportation infrastructure (the subways may be old, but they still work and people depend on them), schools, police and fire, amenities such as libraries and parks - remember that New York City is larger than many states - or countries.

questionseverything

(9,631 posts)
13. Illinois has 12.72 million people & a 87.5 billion budget
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 10:56 PM
Jun 2022

Over 4 million more people for 14 billion less

Unless i am missing something

Retrograde

(10,073 posts)
19. OK, throw in all the commuters
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 11:31 PM
Jun 2022

from New Jersey, Long Island, and the counties to the north (I used to be one of them). They use some of the services - roads, transportation, water, garbage, sewers - I bet that if you add them in you get a couple of million more people (I used to be one of them way back when).

Where do you live, btw?

Cha

(295,929 posts)
14. TY Adrienne Adams! "..On Thursday, Adams said she did allocate money to the members' pet projects,
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 11:01 PM
Jun 2022
but just did not credit them by name in the budget."

💙💛

betsuni

(25,138 posts)
24. There should be "enough professional courtesy to pick up a phone and come to the source."
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 03:38 AM
Jun 2022

Agree with Adams.

sheshe2

(83,356 posts)
36. Well AOC used Twitter to air her issues that is read by millions.
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 08:21 PM
Jun 2022

I doubt a press conference attracted that many.

AOC opened her favorite venue. It is how she legislates.

JustAnotherGen

(31,688 posts)
32. She needs to stay in her lane
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 11:18 AM
Jun 2022

And gets some Federal Legislation done.

IE - get something done for infrastructure and green energy.

I would be pissed to high holy hell if Tom Malinowski was going after the council president in my town.

Same response - Stay in your lane Tom.

questionseverything

(9,631 posts)
39. It's the budget for the city she lives in
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 10:01 PM
Jun 2022

Do politicians lose the write to discuss the city’s budgets where they live because they become federal representatives or even senators?

Nixie

(16,920 posts)
40. "a city is not managed through Twitter or social media"
Tue Jun 21, 2022, 12:28 AM
Jun 2022

Ouch! But we’ll likely be seeing more of this type of honesty.

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