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Nevilledog

(50,660 posts)
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 04:59 PM Jun 2022

The Navy Fires Fourth Commander in Seven Days



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The Navy Fires Fourth Commander in Seven Days
The recent firings are a notable spike in the steady drumbeat of reliefs that the Navy uses to hold its leaders accountable.
1:18 PM · Jun 20, 2022



https://www.military.com/daily-news/2022/06/15/navy-fires-fourth-commander-seven-days.html

The Navy has announced yet another firing of a commanding officer -- Cmdr. Peter Lesaca of the destroyer USS Preble -- in a press release Tuesday evening. Lesaca is the fourth commander to be relieved by the Navy in the last seven days.

In addition to Lesaca, the Navy announced on Saturday that it relieved the commander and top enlisted representative of the destroyer USS Bulkeley. The same day, the service also relieved the commanding officer of its boot camp at Great Lakes, Illinois. Finally, the commander of Electronic Attack Squadron (VAQ) 137 was relieved on June 8.

The recent firings are a notable spike in the steady drumbeat of reliefs that the Navy uses to hold its leaders accountable for issues from personal misconduct to failings at their commands. Since May, the Navy has fired eight leaders, including the commander and executive officer of its Naval Justice School and the commander of Helicopter Sea Combat Squadron (HSC) 28. Since the start of the year, the sea service has relieved or reassigned at least 15 commanders, executive officers or command enlisted representatives.

In all of the cases the Navy's official reason for the firing has been due to a loss of confidence to command -- a general term that obscures the actual reason for a firing. However, in some cases, the service has been willing to provide more detail.

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The Navy Fires Fourth Commander in Seven Days (Original Post) Nevilledog Jun 2022 OP
Good. Just A Box Of Rain Jun 2022 #1
There is no evidence of anyone being fired for "cultural" reasons. former9thward Jun 2022 #4
Personal misconduct is part of bad military culture, with all due respect. Just A Box Of Rain Jun 2022 #5
Not the reasons implied in the OP and replies. former9thward Jun 2022 #6
I didn't write the OP and personal misconduct is part of bad military culture. Just A Box Of Rain Jun 2022 #7
He's taking his look and making some decisions. halfulglas Jun 2022 #2
Heads are rolling. The message is clear: Shape up or ship out. Irish_Dem Jun 2022 #3
You made me post this. Heads Will Roll... JanMichael Jun 2022 #9
The new US Navy anthem. :( Irish_Dem Jun 2022 #10
Is that a frown? I hope not for the dance dance dance! JanMichael Jun 2022 #11
MAGAts malaise Jun 2022 #8
And your evidence to support that is? Zeitghost Jun 2022 #13
Unlike some I actually read the article. Two of the firings Tomconroy Jun 2022 #12
Not discharged. gladium et scutum Jun 2022 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author Tomconroy Jun 2022 #16
I would disagree gladium et scutum Jun 2022 #18
It's not in the regs but it's the policy. I know somebody who Tomconroy Jun 2022 #19
If it is "Policy" or a "universal rule" gladium et scutum Jun 2022 #21
If you aren't eligible to retire you are gone. You are right Tomconroy Jun 2022 #22
They won't be promoted. Deminpenn Jun 2022 #20
Twitter is totally uninformed and didn't actually read the article. Calista241 Jun 2022 #14
The tweet may be spreading a lie Kaleva Jun 2022 #17
 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
1. Good.
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 05:13 PM
Jun 2022

A far back as Thucydides it has been recognized that the cultural values of societies strongly shape the culture of their militaries, and that the reverse is also true.

When military cultures are allowed to become sick and dishonorable it presents a very serious challenge to the civilian culture.

Bravo to General Austin and his Commander-in-Chief for acting to protect the Republic.

former9thward

(31,801 posts)
4. There is no evidence of anyone being fired for "cultural" reasons.
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 05:33 PM
Jun 2022

The only two cited were personal misconduct issues (DWIs).

halfulglas

(1,654 posts)
2. He's taking his look and making some decisions.
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 05:15 PM
Jun 2022

This means they'll also start addressing the incompetent and/or racist/misogynistic enlisted also. When they get rid of the commanders, the ranks realize he's serious and will either shape up or ship out. Go after the Christofascists next, unless this gang includes some of those who won't promote anyone not in the club.

Irish_Dem

(45,619 posts)
3. Heads are rolling. The message is clear: Shape up or ship out.
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 05:24 PM
Jun 2022

I grew up as a military brat in the Air Force so the saying was "straighten up and fly right, or else."

We never wanted to find out what the or else meant.

 

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
12. Unlike some I actually read the article. Two of the firings
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 07:33 PM
Jun 2022

Were for DUI arrests, not convictions. I can assure you, that any officer of any rank in the Navy who is arrested for DUI will be discharged from the service. Not necessarily true of enlisted persons

The rest of the discharges as far as I can tell were for non-ideological reasons.

gladium et scutum

(803 posts)
15. Not discharged.
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 10:32 PM
Jun 2022

They will be removed of their current position and sent to some staff job somewhere in the area. In most cases they will be allowed to stay on active duty until the reach the retirement time for their pay rank.

Response to gladium et scutum (Reply #15)

gladium et scutum

(803 posts)
18. I would disagree
Tue Jun 21, 2022, 08:03 AM
Jun 2022

I reviewed SECNAVINST 1920.6d of July 2019. Nowhere in that instruction did I find a requirement to discharge an officer for the first DUI offense. DUIs are tried by Courts Martial. The Court does have the authority to order dismissal of an officer for a DUI, but that is only one of the punishments that may be awarded and is not mandatory. If I have not found the correct section of 1920.6d or have read the wrong guidance on the matter, I would appreciate knowing the appropriate section or instruction number so that I may study it.

 

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
19. It's not in the regs but it's the policy. I know somebody who
Tue Jun 21, 2022, 11:29 AM
Jun 2022

does these cases in CT. It's a universal rule.

gladium et scutum

(803 posts)
21. If it is "Policy" or a "universal rule"
Tue Jun 21, 2022, 01:48 PM
Jun 2022

it will be written down in either SECDEF instructions, if applicable to all armed services or SECNAV Instructions, if applicable to the Navy. The armed forces of the United States do not operate by unwritten rules. I have known of officers that were allowed to remain on active duty with one DUI until their earliest eligibility date for retirement. I have also known of officers that were dismissed from the service after one DUI by sentence of a Courts Martial.

Deminpenn

(15,246 posts)
20. They won't be promoted.
Tue Jun 21, 2022, 11:46 AM
Jun 2022

With "up or out", they will have to leave after being passed over twice for their next promotion.

Calista241

(5,584 posts)
14. Twitter is totally uninformed and didn't actually read the article.
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 07:55 PM
Jun 2022

Not one of these people is identified as being fired for ideological reasons.

In addition, Gen Austin and Gen Milley are not in their chain of command and they have less than zero input into personnel decisions, especially at this level.

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