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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsYesterday I saw an article from Jezebel telling people NOT to donate to Planned Parenthood
Implying that all Planned Parenthood does is collect large sums of money, and does very little to help women.
That is a gross misrepresentation of the facts.
They advocate supporting independent abortion clinics, which is fine, but that they go out of their way to actively tell their readers NOT to support Planned Parenthood, implying that Planned Parenthood is some kind of nefarious organization is not only counterproductive, but makes me wonder if they have an alternative agenda.
https://jezebel.com/where-to-donate-abortion-access-roe-v-wade-1849053167
When on the same day Roe was overturned, they also wrote an article blaming Democrats for what happened, implying why should we vote for Democrats then? Not only is that a gross mischaracterization of the facts, it is a complete distortion of history and the facts.
https://jezebel.com/roe-is-dead-democrats-want-us-to-vote-for-what-exact-1849105474
This is a similar argument the Green Party used in 2000 and in 2016, and helped bring us to where we are today.
The best way to undo the damage is to elect enough Democrats in Congress so we have a majority of the Senate by at least two seats, and maintain the majority in the House in the midterms.
Since the conservatives on the SC have essentially become an ideological fold of the Republican Party, and not equitable arbitrators of civil rights, womans rights, workers rights, environmental rights, etc., that more than justifies the expansion if the SC to balance things out, and the only way that realistically can happen is by voting for Democrats.
niyad
(112,440 posts)betsuni
(25,141 posts)Republicans are innocent victims of economic anxiety.
txwhitedove
(3,922 posts)"The Jezebel Spirit term is often used to describe someone who uses cunning, deception, and seduction to tear apart entire marriages, churches, and other entities. Unlike many evil spirits, the Jezebel Spirit one operates in a more subtle and sinister way."
betsuni
(25,141 posts)comments, great community. Then the real writers all left and it's like someone's relative was hired and she hired all her friends and they never do any work. Can't spell, don't do any research, think hating Democrats makes them cool. Morons. Like "The Producers," the owners want the site to be terrible and fail, for some reason.
Cha
(295,929 posts)lines.. TY for the Definition.
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muriel_volestrangler
(101,160 posts)Please, take it down. The site has a banner "Crisis Pregnancy Centers Need Your Help NOW". That is a truly offensive thing to bring here.
If you want to know about Jezebel, it's a biblical name - a non-Jewish woman who married a Jewish king, and fought the Jewish faith.
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jezebel-queen-of-Israel
It became a synonym for a wicked woman.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,153 posts)farther, donating to independent clinics, abortion funds or clinic escort funds is the way to go. Independent clinics treat more abortion patients than PP does.
Planned Parenthood is also working hard to bust unionizing efforts at some of its clinics, FWIW.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,153 posts)Private donations make up a relatively small amount of its funding, and as a result, individual donations don't go very far at scale. A $20 donation goes a lot farther when given to a local abortion fund than to PP or its foundation.
Hekate
(90,202 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,153 posts)In either case, it's going to be private insurance, but PP certainly has deeper pockets and greater resources than independent clinics for such things.
Lars39
(26,093 posts)that need the money. If PP doesnt perform all abortions, then these other clinics need help, too.
I have nothing against Planned Parenthood. What beef do you have with the other clinics getting help?
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)Lars39
(26,093 posts)he has chosen to make it about something else. I grabbed that article because I never really hear about any other organization that helps.
JohnSJ
(91,967 posts)support independent clinics?
Lars39
(26,093 posts)https://abortionfunds.org/funds/
https://www.nationaladvocatesforpregnantwomen.org/
No reason to disparage a fellow DUer.
JohnSJ
(91,967 posts)addressed it as coming from Jezabel
and the links I posted were from Jezabel, NOT DU.
dixiechiken1
(2,113 posts)But I agree with you... The other organizations pointed to in the article do a LOT of good and directly help women in need right now. Abortion funds and independent clinics are worthwhile and need help so they can continue to help. Whether or not one likes/reads/trusts Jezebel.com shouldn't reflect negatively on these organizations simply because their names were uttered by a writer at Jezebel.com. Damn, man, don't throw out the baby with the bathwater.
Bottom line for anyone and everyone: It's YOUR money. Give it to who YOU want and where YOU think it will do the most good. Or don't.
Lars39
(26,093 posts)dixiechiken1
(2,113 posts)I saw your pre-edit post yesterday and thought it contained some GREAT resources. I was glad you posted it and set up a monthly donation to the Chicago Abortion Fund immediately after. (Misleading, IMO, since they serve the Midwest region, not just Chicago.) I already donate monthly to the Hope Clinic for Women in Southern IL and was looking for another way to help. So, while I didn't agree with their PP comments, I also don't agree that there was nothing of value just because it was Jezebel.com.
So, FWIW, I wanted you to know that *I* appreciated your post!
Lars39
(26,093 posts)I was surprised at all the different organizations out there helping.
DUs not a very forgiving place at times. Your words mean a lot to me.
CrispyQ
(36,235 posts)Not a very good first impression. I will always advocate for & donate to Planned Parenthood. And we need MORE dems in congress & state legislatures, not fewer.
Someone should send them this:
Ray Bruns
(4,023 posts)or voted for Jill Stein.
betsuni
(25,141 posts)Hundreds of comments and interesting articles. Then the writers left and they hired idiots who can't spell or do any research and all political articles bash Democrats. Few comments, i's a ghost town. What a shame.
wryter2000
(46,016 posts)Will go to organizations that help people travel for abortions. If PP puts something like that together, I may give them my money. States like CT are gearing up to help women from other states, but CT is pretty far from TX. My efforts are going into making GOTV calls.
Lonestarblue
(9,882 posts)to set up clinics in Mexico along the border with Texas. Many Texas women may seek abortions in Mexico, but theres little way of knowing about the safety or whether they are getting the actual drugs for medication abortion instead of a fake.
Currently, New Mexico does not have enough clinics to handle the overflow from Texas, so more clinics could be established there closer to the Texas border.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,372 posts)Hopefully Biden and Dept. Of Interior will issue some EOs in the near future.
wryter2000
(46,016 posts)When my brother lived near Tucson, he and his wife got dentistry in Mexico. It can be a tremendous resource if the Mexican people and government are willing to help.
Hekate
(90,202 posts)
. what is, frankly, a white peoples problem?** Out of what abundant resources weve endowed to them? Many such places are in poverty, with clinics barely scraping by and we want them to be the conduit for our medical care? We want them to take in our poor, and shelter them, and with what funds and to take on the murderous fanatics on our behalf?
Frankly, I think this is on us. Its our responsibility. Our society created this clusterfck, and we have to clean it up.
* meaning Ive now seen this idea more than once at DU since the news about Roe broke
** white people meaning the society and the power structure of the US
#2 National Parks are NOT for building clinics that will attract fanatics who are armed and dangerous
With thanks to malaise, let me make this pellucidly clear: I myself am white, a 74 y.o. woman who has supported Planned Parenthood and their good works since I was about 20.
wnylib
(21,146 posts)transportation and abortion fees for out of state women. Also, laws to protect doctors and patients from extradition for prosecution, and patient records from being released to prosecutors.
NY is also a long ways from states that are criminalizing abortions. Covering transportation costs should help some women in more distant states.
JohnSJ
(91,967 posts)wnylib
(21,146 posts)California, Oregon, and Washington are forming a "Pacific bloc" to protect abortion rights in the West. They will be accessible to nearby states from north to south in the West.
The Midwest and South will be the most vulnerable, cut off from blue states.
EDIT TO ADD: Depending on how elections go in PA, we here in NY might see an influx of women from
PA. NY and PA share a very long border.
JohnSJ
(91,967 posts)murielm99
(30,657 posts)Women can come here from everywhere in the Midwest. We are right in the middle of things.
wnylib
(21,146 posts)So transportation assistance and places to stay before and after will be necessary. Financial assistance to cover costs.
murielm99
(30,657 posts)Women in Illinois will provide help. I remember doing that when I was in college, before Roe.
wryter2000
(46,016 posts)She's very proud of her work. It involved allowing more medical practitioners to perform the procedure and blocking the release of reproductive health records.
Hekate
(90,202 posts)When I was on one of local PPs committees over 40 years ago, a lovely old gent was pointed out to me as a retired Episcopalian bishop who was a local hero of the pro-choice movement, because before Roe he was part of the network helping women get abortions. Underground Railroad.
wryter2000
(46,016 posts)Our rector organized a bunch of the women of the parish to write a statement to be read in church tomorrow. I'm kind of sorry he didn't include himself because he is royally pissed and he'd have good things to say.
Hekate
(90,202 posts)
get too overheated here on how all religions are the root cause of all evil. Just because American Evangelicals have gone off the deep end and are very noisy in the public sphere, does not make them the voice for everyone else of all religions.
wryter2000
(46,016 posts)We're reading Bishop Curry's statement tomorrow in church. We didn't have time to write anything better.
BTW, according to Jewish law, the mother's well-being comes first. The bastards are trampling on people's freedom of religion.
Hekate
(90,202 posts)Didnt want to talk about my activities with my elderly Viennese Jewish MIL for fear of giving offense. But when she pried it out of me she told me she didnt even see the problem she said something like, You cut off the branch to save the tree.
peggysue2
(10,811 posts)Voices telling us to act against our own self-interest, be it blaming Dems, not voting Dem, not supporting Planned Parenthood, etc, should be ignored, kicked to the curb. This is nothing more than gaslighting.
The power we have is through the vote, every vote, en masse at every election, every level.
As for blame? Let's forget blame for the moment. Let's think voting targets to prevent another social, economic, political disaster and/or the ruination of our Republic.
Top of the list?
That would be the Republican Party, the religious zealots and the deep-pocket donors fueling this insanity. Let's include anyone involved in the J6 insurrection and/or those still embracing the Big Lie. Let's beat them at the voting booth and ensure these suckers never hold public office again. Let's expose the billionaires behind the curtain, the shadowy groups that would transform the country into their own twisted image. Let's create a wave of righteous indignation, so huge that every single Republican candidate and those they're beholden to are washed into the deep blue sea.
Finally, let's ignore the voices that tell us this can't be done, that it's silly, unrealistic, statistically impossible.
Let's put our shoulders and anger and might behind it. Let's get it done! For ourselves and for the future.
wnylib
(21,146 posts)dixiechiken1
(2,113 posts)appleannie1
(5,044 posts)It was my only source of healthcare for two of my pregnancies and post care. That article is pure undiluted Bullshit.
mcar
(42,210 posts)DSA/Just Us "Democrats" (in quotes because their stated mission is to destroy the Democratic Party) are all over Twitter blaming Democrats, especially President Obama, for this.
Because sure, let's blame the first Black President instead of owning up to your own role in this.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)Read so much crap from these enemies of the Democratic Party in the last 24 hours that I want to puke.
wryter2000
(46,016 posts)If RBG had retired under Obama, this wouldn't have happened. Most of it disappeared mysteriously.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)On a day when I was among the multitudes who felt heart-sick, reading such dreck was hard to take.
RBG was a hero. Shame on those who shit on her memory.
TNNurse
(6,911 posts)Fiendish Thingy
(15,372 posts)JohnSJ
(91,967 posts)blocking President Obamas SC nominee for over a year, and that we would still be short one seat if that happened
It was because of 2016 why we are where we are
mcar
(42,210 posts)Cha
(295,929 posts)taking Any Blame for their part in getting Roe VS Wade Overturned.. it's all the Dems Fault.
I appreciate that the OP is Exposing "Jezabel's" Gaslit hate.
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mcar
(42,210 posts)and they sure are following them to the T.
usaf-vet
(6,094 posts).... so I might not have the history and experience to ferret out who is with us and who is generally not.
How often if ever do paid commenters with an agenda infiltrate the DU world.
This is a serious question because sometimes I struggle to figure out where an OP comes from.
Thanks for any input others might have.
wryter2000
(46,016 posts)As far as I know, the person is still here. I suspect it was a troll rather than a RWer, but it was not here to do good.
BumRushDaShow
(127,331 posts)you might spot some.
I started about 7 months before you (although I have almost 20 times the number of posts ) and recall the 2008 & 2012 primary wars (the latter just after we transitioned from DU2 to DU3) and it was so bad, I had an ignore list that was 5 pages long. Eventually I made it to a point of having no one on ignore just before the 2016 election as the vast majority were either PPRd, FFRd, or literally left the site en masse. Some were big on pushing both RT and even Sputnik News as "legit" sources. Others were Snowden and Assange fans as well as Jill Stein fans.
Some who had left have been trickling back in under new account names.
Despite that, I would estimate probably 95% of the people posting here are legit and the other 5% are either lone trolls (RW or otherwise), are part of troll farms or groups of disgruntled former DUers, or are paid trolls. When the jury system was put in place (and tweaked over time) with DU3, the trolls would often self-destruct - but only if people would be willing to alert on stuff that violated the TOS like spewing RW talking points, etc.
JohnSJ
(91,967 posts)I did not think those links disparaging PP or the Democratic Party were helpful, but worthy of discussion, which is exactly the point I think you are making.
NullTuples
(6,017 posts)Jezebel was bought by Gawker, which was then bought by Gizmodo which went bankrupt in 2016. Then it was sold to Univision.
In April 2019, Gizmodo and The Onion were sold to private equity firm Great Hill Partners.
Great Hill Partners was formed in 1998 by Stephen F. Gormley, Christopher S. Gaffney and John G. Hayes.
In 2018 & 2020 Great Hill donated only to Democrats, but it was only a few donations and small dollar values.
In the 2022 cycle so far however, they've split their more significant political donations between Democrats & Republicans.
The primary founder Stephen Gormley, is a Republican who donates almost entirely to Republican committees and candidates.
MarcA
(2,195 posts)Lars39
(26,093 posts)SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Ty for posting!
Why are wealthy Dems not buyimg up media? They k ow psy ops work!
JohnSJ
(91,967 posts)halfulglas
(1,654 posts)So Jezebel wants us to listen to them? We need to stick together now more than ever before. There are going to be other attempts to divide us. This is just the beginning.
Ziggysmom
(3,374 posts)I think they ran out of money to hire any writer who took a basic civics course!
paleotn
(17,781 posts)or others of her despicable ilk. At least republitrash are openly evil.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,064 posts)That said everything I needed to hear about the leaders of this organization.
IronLionZion
(45,269 posts)They are probably not who they say they are and can be reported.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)betsuni
(25,141 posts)Last edited Sat Jun 25, 2022, 12:52 PM - Edit history (1)
about Jezebel I was inundated with responses that it was a right-wing source. Their attacks on Democrats aren't from the right.
JohnSJ
(91,967 posts)Lars39
(26,093 posts)TBF
(31,922 posts)they were there to provide well woman's exams & contraceptives when I was in college - and they would only charge if you were willing/able to pay. They are very good to students and anyone else who needs care. Still support them and always will. It's not pie - we can support both PP and independent clinics. I'd be suspicious of anyone saying to do otherwise.
BannonsLiver
(16,162 posts)Saw it at least once here.
iluvtennis
(19,758 posts)women who don't have access to healthcare. They do more than provide reproductive healthcare. Planned Parenthood is invaluable asset in poor communities.
llmart
(15,503 posts)I made two substantial donations this year so far and I will make another this coming week.
TygrBright
(20,733 posts)Hekate
(90,202 posts)I have spent decades defending the comprehensive work of Planned Parenthood from right wingers it is horrible to see the attack come from the left. Is this last seasons Planned Parenthood is Establishment trope rearing its ugly head? With added moneygrubber?
Jezebel could have promoted the work of other groups without mentioning PP. She could have given a boost to other groups without minimizing and even tearing down PP.
An organization that began over a century ago with its founder going to prison for teaching women how to avoid unplanned pregnancies, now finds itself once again just trying to survive.
The PP doctors, nurses, office staff, and escorts have been putting their own lives on the line in this war ever since Roe they have been murdered, maimed, doxxed, and their children stalked to and from school by RW fanatics.
And somehow they are in it for the money?
I have to stop. Thank you, again.
JohnSJ
(91,967 posts)Response to JohnSJ (Original post)
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tosh
(4,422 posts)Do not forget this!
I'm old and have no idea who or what Jezebel may be. But as a human being, family member, and retired social worker, I know of 100% satisfaction from all the people I know that have used Planned Parenthood's services. Every single one.