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Tue Jun 28, 2022, 01:55 PM Jun 2022

gestational slavers insist that the innocence of the fetus makes abortion automatically murder

yes the republican party, and often the very same people, insist that the police -- hell, even a private citizen on a self-proclaimed "neighborhood watch" -- have every right to shoot and kill innocent people, provided they have a flicker of fear for their own safety.

gestational slavers rarely talk being two points:
(1) the fetus is genetically human (as if anyone thought otherwise) and
(2) the fetus is innocent (because it hasn't developed volition and isn't a moral actor)

then the leap to boom, killing it is murder.

yet there are numerous situations in our society, laws, and traditions where killing another human being (actually born and everything) is excusable or justified. certainly not "murder".


if anyone else did to a woman, without her consent, what a fetus does to a woman, we would all say that killing that person is not murder.

if an evil third party somehow surgically attached an innocent "baby" (someone actually already born in this hypothetical) to someone (imagine a man), and inserted some high-tech mechanisms that prevented detachment for 40 weeks without killing the attached "baby", and it did the kind of things to the man that pregnancy does to a woman, no one would fault the guy for trying to fine a way out of it even if it meant the death of the "baby".

especially once you throw in more details to make it more closely resemble pregnancy -- the mechanism messes with your organs, your hormones, your appetite; you might not be able to do your job or your hobby, and you might get fired anyway even if you can; there pain and discomfort and trauma to parts of your body; oh and there's always a chance of serious complications up to and including death, and no guarantee that the "baby" survives anyway.

or may the "baby" won't survive more than 24 hours after the whole ordeal is over anyway.

oh, and there's a big marble implanted at the base of the peen and after the 40 weeks, it rips through the urethra, which is will never be the same.


it's fine to think that the man should sacrifice himself for the unknown "baby".
it's fine to think of him as a saint if he does so.

but calling him a murderer for opting out, even if it means the death of the "baby" just doesn't line up with any of our society's thinking about other situations where killing human beings is deemed acceptable.


gestational slavers find the conclusion easy after the first two points above because they completely dismiss the perspective of the woman.

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