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OneGrassRoot

(22,917 posts)
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 09:06 AM Jun 2022

Military people, what is the correct terminology...

Last edited Wed Jun 29, 2022, 09:53 AM - Edit history (1)

to use to implore Sec. of Defense Austin to destroy Mike Flynn's current and former standing in the military and to take away any and all related benefits?

I think we should have a campaign to target that mofo in regards to his military standing as a start. He's been an obvious traitor for a while yet has suffered no consequences at the military level.

If he is held accountable, that probably means there would be reason to go after his brother too. With Flynn mentioned so prominently yesterday, that may be another focus of upcoming hearings: who in military and law enforcement positions aided and abetted the insurrection.

EDIT TO ADD: Please see Farmer-Rick's reply below with info!

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Military people, what is the correct terminology... (Original Post) OneGrassRoot Jun 2022 OP
according to a friend who is dem and was airforce in veit nam , sez the gov dosent want you. AllaN01Bear Jun 2022 #1
lolol That would be most excellent: OneGrassRoot Jun 2022 #2
Don't know if you saw this. Farmer-Rick Jun 2022 #3
EXCELLENT! OneGrassRoot Jun 2022 #4
To remove benefits is an extremely high bar DVRacer Jun 2022 #5
The executive branch can do it for pretty much any reason they want Farmer-Rick Jun 2022 #6
Thanks for that info! n/t OneGrassRoot Jun 2022 #7
He would have to be recalled to active duty gladium et scutum Jun 2022 #8
You sure jonstl08 Jun 2022 #9
did the rape take place gladium et scutum Jun 2022 #10
No idea jonstl08 Jun 2022 #11
Think you are referring to the case of Marine Seargent Larabee gladium et scutum Jun 2022 #12

OneGrassRoot

(22,917 posts)
2. lolol That would be most excellent:
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 09:14 AM
Jun 2022

Send a simple letter by courier stating:

"We don't want you. Get the fuck out."

Then decommission him or whatever it's officially called.

Farmer-Rick

(10,072 posts)
3. Don't know if you saw this.
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 09:19 AM
Jun 2022

Seems someone has beat you to the punch. But more letters won't hurt. The article gives you an idea of what can be done by the executive branch without any legal proceedings. I think insurrection is a good reason to stop a military pension.

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/national-security-daily/2021/11/17/rep-gallego-wants-dod-to-end-traitor-michael-flynns-pension-495140

"As for next steps, the lawmaker says the Pentagon and Department of Veterans Affairs have the authority to stop the money flow to Flynn’s accounts. The cessation of payments doesn’t require an act of Congress, though he hopes Republicans will support him in this “crusade,” as he calls it. “I’m really going to ramp this up after the information we just got,” he said of the revelations in Karl’s book.

A suspension of a retiree’s pay can happen for many reasons, such as not disclosing that they work for a foreign government or they're mentally incapable of managing their own affairs. It’s unclear if DoD has “attempted to overthrow an election” as one of its criteria. And it’s also unclear what Flynn’s retirement pay is, exactly, but a four stars’ pension can be in the high $200,000s."

OneGrassRoot

(22,917 posts)
4. EXCELLENT!
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 09:22 AM
Jun 2022

Thanks so much for this. I no longer have a desire to initiate or lead any movements as I've largely removed myself from social media and such, so this is perfect. I shall add my energy to this effort.

Thanks again!

DVRacer

(707 posts)
5. To remove benefits is an extremely high bar
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 09:25 AM
Jun 2022

As it should be, but he would have to be convicted in a military court of treason or espionage. Now benefits can be stopped while incarcerated if he serves more than 60 days even on a misdemeanor but they resume on release. I do believe if certain conditions are met his branch can disallow him to appear in public wearing his uniform. I seem to remember that the Marines did that to Oliver North.

Farmer-Rick

(10,072 posts)
6. The executive branch can do it for pretty much any reason they want
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 09:36 AM
Jun 2022

But......a big but.......

You know folks watch this carefully. There are numerous Veterans group who will jump at a chance to drag this through courts and bring in the media. So, it has to be for a very good reason.

Did you know you can lose your military pension if you give up your American citizenship? I looked that up when I made plans to escape from America.

gladium et scutum

(803 posts)
8. He would have to be recalled to active duty
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 10:38 AM
Jun 2022

and the Courts Martial would have to be for offenses committed while he was on active duty. Offenses committed after his retirement in 2014 cannot be the basis of charges against him in a Courts Martial.

jonstl08

(412 posts)
9. You sure
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 10:46 AM
Jun 2022

I thought there was a case where an enlisted retiree was brought back to active duty because he raped a girl. Not sure the age of the girl or if it happened before or after he retired. They brought him back and court martialed him. Military did not want retirement benefits going to a person in jail for rape.

Again. Not sure about the specifics but remember this being an option

gladium et scutum

(803 posts)
12. Think you are referring to the case of Marine Seargent Larabee
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 03:08 PM
Jun 2022

he sexually assaulted the wife of another serviceman in Iwakuni Japan. He had beer retired for three months and worked on base.
believe the crime happened on base, if it had happened off base, he would have been tried in a Japanese court. In two other cases of retirees being recalled to active duty and court martialed, one case was in Okinawa, and another was again at Iwakuni Japan. In both cases it appears that the crimes occurred on base since the Japanese courts didn't prosecute the cases. Enlisted and Officers can be recalled to active duty for Courts Martial, but it seems to be a fairly rare occurrence and there is usually some extenuating circumstances to the proceedings.

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