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Atticus

(15,124 posts)
Wed Jul 6, 2022, 01:40 PM Jul 2022

Believe it or not, I really do understand that real-life law enforcement, subpoenaing of witnesses

and prosecution of the bad guys is a complicated grind that is seldom anything like "Law and Order" or like programs on TV. That said, well-meaning observers of the "justice system" these past 18 months or so are understandably and predictably discouraged. The ranks of those who snarl "Nothing will happen! It never does! There is no justice!" continues to increase in number. Lindsey Graham's announcement that he will defy his subpoena from the Special Grand Jury in Georgia only confirms the opinion that laws and court orders mean damn little.

We desperately need to see SOMEONE of the "higher ups" tribe indicted and arrested and tried in a no-nonsense expedited manner. I fear the erosion of public respect for "the system" is fast approaching the point of no return.

Legal beagles please note: this is not about legal procedures and how "the law grinds slowly---". This is about public opinion and growing pessimism that could reduce enthusiasm and voter turnout.

What the public wants is simply stated: "DO SOMETHING!"

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Believe it or not, I really do understand that real-life law enforcement, subpoenaing of witnesses (Original Post) Atticus Jul 2022 OP
As Someone Said Once, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2022 #1
Defying and fighting a subpoena are different things... Ohio Joe Jul 2022 #2
If youy are talking about public opinion, indictments will not sway it as much as Beastly Boy Jul 2022 #3
Did anybody think any of these motherfuckers would immediately comply?? Novara Jul 2022 #4
Politics plays a roll in information releases. pwb Jul 2022 #5

Ohio Joe

(21,655 posts)
2. Defying and fighting a subpoena are different things...
Wed Jul 6, 2022, 01:56 PM
Jul 2022

Some outlets are saying he is going to defy the subpoena... That would mean simply not showing up. Other outlets are saying he is going to fight the subpoena... Meaning go to court over it claiming he (for whatever reason) does not have to comply, the subpoena is not valid.

I suspect he is going to fight it, not defy it. He'll claim he does not have to testify because he was performing his duties or some such... He'll lose.

"What the public wants is simply stated: "DO SOMETHING!""

I find that what they are/have done gets so little, if any, attention in the media... Even here, things they do often get poo-poo'd and ignored.

Beastly Boy

(9,059 posts)
3. If youy are talking about public opinion, indictments will not sway it as much as
Wed Jul 6, 2022, 02:15 PM
Jul 2022

public hearings will. Despite oft repeated concerns about the speed of progress by DOJ, it is not likely to sway the outcome of this year's election no matter how quickly or slowly it comes.

On the other hand, the work being done by the J6 Committee is certainly vulnerable. Regardless of the outcome of the next election, it has an expiration date of Dec.31. What we desperately need is for the crimes committed by the "higher ups" to be exposed, not prosecuted, and all indications are that the J6 committee is on schedule to do just that. It is not critical at all if the prosecutions happen after the elections. The elections may end the J6 committee, but as long as Biden is President, DOJ will remain largely unaffected.

The composition of DOJ or the direction of their investigations is not subject to interference by the legislative branch.

Novara

(5,754 posts)
4. Did anybody think any of these motherfuckers would immediately comply??
Wed Jul 6, 2022, 02:18 PM
Jul 2022

If so, you're not living in the real world.

OF COURSE they will fight subpoenas. None of them would willingly roll over.

Anyone who is subpoenaed has the right to fight it. Did anyone think these people wouldn't avail themselves of that right?

pwb

(11,204 posts)
5. Politics plays a roll in information releases.
Wed Jul 6, 2022, 02:22 PM
Jul 2022

I like to see the pukes squirm. We shouldn't waste that advantage yet. IMO.

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