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Mon Jul 11, 2022, 11:56 AM

Biden's approval rating drops to 33%, according to NY Times/Siena

As much as I want to dismiss it, I just checked FiveThirtyEight, and they give the pollster an A+ rating. While I don't think it's that low, it is nevertheless alarming. While other Presidents have been lower (Nixon during Watergate, Trump right after January 6th, Poppy Bush in 1992, GW Bush in 2008) as no President has ever been at 33% or less this early in his term.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/11/us/politics/biden-approval-polling-2024.html

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/us0722-crosstabs-nyt071122/33ffa85627ee4648/full.pdf

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Reply Biden's approval rating drops to 33%, according to NY Times/Siena (Original post)
Polybius Jul 11 OP
samnsara Jul 11 #1
llashram Jul 11 #3
Polybius Jul 11 #9
llashram Jul 11 #12
Polybius Jul 11 #16
llashram Jul 11 #33
FelineOverlord Jul 11 #13
Polybius Jul 11 #17
Amishman Jul 11 #27
Takket Jul 11 #28
Ex Lurker Jul 11 #2
hadEnuf Jul 11 #4
highplainsdem Jul 11 #5
Act_of_Reparation Jul 11 #7
robodruid1 Jul 11 #19
Polybius Jul 11 #20
JohnSJ Jul 11 #6
mvd Jul 11 #8
Polybius Jul 11 #11
mvd Jul 11 #14
Polybius Jul 11 #18
Xoan Jul 11 #10
Initech Jul 11 #15
jalan48 Jul 11 #21
andym Jul 11 #22
Baggies Jul 11 #23
karynnj Jul 11 #24
TheProle Jul 11 #25
maxrandb Jul 11 #26
Takket Jul 11 #31
Polybius Jul 11 #32
liberalmediaaddict Jul 11 #29
BlueCheeseAgain Jul 11 #30
DemocraticPatriot Jul 11 #34

Response to Polybius (Original post)

Mon Jul 11, 2022, 11:57 AM

1. im positive the polls are skewed...joes doing so much

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Response to samnsara (Reply #1)

Mon Jul 11, 2022, 12:05 PM

3. exactly...

I don't give a damn about a 538 A+ pollster. President Biden and vice-President Harris are doing good against an emboldened reichwing. And pollster still could have been a reichwing troll. This type of false and misleading BS is just that...bullshit of the highest order meant to discourage voters...

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Response to llashram (Reply #3)

Mon Jul 11, 2022, 12:21 PM

9. Nothing "reichwing" about the NY Times

Dismissing bad polls is a serious problem. We have to know and understand the problems we are facing, like it or not.

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Response to Polybius (Reply #9)

Mon Jul 11, 2022, 12:25 PM

12. whatever you think

fine...I also learned how to LIE with statistics 50 years ago in university. The NYT does accept bad polls.

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Response to llashram (Reply #12)

Mon Jul 11, 2022, 01:02 PM

16. The A+ rating made me look at it with less skepticism than Rasmussen (a true RW pollster)

Personally, I think this is an outlier so I sorta agree with you. Nonetheless I think Biden's approval is at best 39%.

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Response to Polybius (Reply #16)

Mon Jul 11, 2022, 04:23 PM

33. at the moment, yes

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Response to Polybius (Reply #9)

Mon Jul 11, 2022, 12:29 PM

13. The New York Times

Wants Trump back. They make lots of money off of him.

MAGA Haberman seems so sad not to have very special access to the current WH occupant.


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Response to FelineOverlord (Reply #13)

Mon Jul 11, 2022, 01:03 PM

17. Ok so his approval is 60% then

n/t

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Response to samnsara (Reply #1)

Mon Jul 11, 2022, 02:11 PM

27. I think the poll is close to accurate - but also far less dire than it appears

Joe obviously has no support from the right, and is struggling with independents. This is no surprise in our hyper partisan and media drama driven political landscape. That is a mirror of Trump's poor polling; though Trump's issues with indies were from his own oafish behavior, while Joe is getting beat up over inflation.

Where he is also losing, and driving his support to these record lows, is with the far left. We see this on DU, our most progressive members are frustrated with Joe and his admin (especially the DoJ) at not doing more and pushing harder.

It is less dire than it appears, because those disapproving of Joe for being too moderate / soft will still pretty reliably turn out and vote blue.

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Response to samnsara (Reply #1)

Mon Jul 11, 2022, 02:15 PM

28. Polls aren't always accurate but NYT isn't going to miss by 17%

Biden is absolutely underwater with the public, even if you donít believe it is 17% underwater.

Unfortunately a lot of it is Democrats that donít know that he canít just do things like declare abortion legal everywhere.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Mon Jul 11, 2022, 12:02 PM

2. When things are going badly, the president gets the blame

deserved or not. It's still a long way until 2024. Not a good sign for the midterms though. One bright spot, the voters don't have to like you to vote for you, they just have to dislike you less than the other guy, and the GOP has given the voters plenty to dislike.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Mon Jul 11, 2022, 12:05 PM

4. 24/7/365 screeching right-wing propaganda with very little to counter it.

The silent majority is often quite confused. And that is the goal.

We need to take back the media. Or start doing something to stop this arterial bleeding that has been draining us.


We need a PR firm and a prime-time news station. At least we'd have the truth on our side.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Mon Jul 11, 2022, 12:06 PM

5. Three main factors here:

1) The unrelenting enmity from the GOP, pushing the lie that Biden didn't really win the 2020 election.

2) Too much criticism from some on the left, including some on the left in the Democratic Party as well as those to the left of the Democratic Party, blaming Biden for not being able to get certain bills and policies through when he doesn't have the votes he'd need.

3) Too much criticism from those in the media who I suspect don't find Biden new enough or scandalous enough to be interesting.

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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #5)

Mon Jul 11, 2022, 12:14 PM

7. It's not that complicated.

When times are bad, the president takes the heat. It might not be fair, but that's how the public tends see it.

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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #5)

Mon Jul 11, 2022, 01:05 PM

19. Other things?

 

War in Ukraine
Price of fuel
Price of hamburger.

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Response to robodruid1 (Reply #19)

Mon Jul 11, 2022, 01:07 PM

20. Stocks too

I'm scared to look at mine.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Mon Jul 11, 2022, 12:11 PM

6. This is an approval poll over two years before the 2024 election. Unlike republicans, who will

always align together, those Democrats from the far left will always align against Biden like they did with Hillary

Ignoring the trump trade wars, mishandling of the pandemic, and green lighting Putinís invasion of Ukraine before he left office, and with the help of the illustrious press, this comes as no surprise

Bloomberg was pushing this crap all morning

We are a little over 3 months before the midterms, and it would be wise if Democrats focus on the midterms, and getting out the vote for Democrats in huge numbers, instead of being demoralized by a poll regarding an event over two years away, by an illustrious media machine who pushes the theme that Democrats are in disarray

If we continue to be distracted by this bullshit when we have upcoming midterms in November, then we will keep paying the price from the lessons of 2000, 2012, and 2016





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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Mon Jul 11, 2022, 12:17 PM

8. I'm very progressive and I like Biden

Always have thought heís handled everything very well. My biggest criticism would perhaps be stronger messaging. He has the power of the President to use the airwaves. Of course, the media also distorts and ignores, so we have to get by that. This all started with Afghanistan withdrawal, where many media connections got upset. It was again the right thing to do.

At least he beats TFG in the poll. No one makes me more physically ill than TFG.

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Response to mvd (Reply #8)

Mon Jul 11, 2022, 12:25 PM

11. "At least he beats TFG in the poll"

Not at this point in his Presidency, as Trump was consistently around 43%. After January 6th he dropped significantly, when Trump went down to 29%. Shocking that it was even 29%!

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Response to Polybius (Reply #11)

Mon Jul 11, 2022, 12:31 PM

14. I meant in the head to head matchup in the poll

I thought that was good considering the approval rating. Still, this is one messed up country. It is beyond comprehension that Bidenís approval would be lower.

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Response to mvd (Reply #14)

Mon Jul 11, 2022, 01:04 PM

18. Oh shit, I didn't see that thanks

Yup, 44 to 41%. Trump's low 40's approval rating for most of his term was luck. The economy was amazing (Obama's policies) until Covid. If it was like now, Trump would be at 20%.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Mon Jul 11, 2022, 12:24 PM

10. Americans are STUPID.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Mon Jul 11, 2022, 12:34 PM

15. The beatings will continue until morale improves.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Mon Jul 11, 2022, 01:11 PM

21. If Democrat's lose the House and Senate this fall I don't see Biden running again in 2024.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Mon Jul 11, 2022, 01:13 PM

22. Biden's low poll numbers are strongly tied to inflation just as Carter's and Reagan's were

Did you know that Reagan's hit 35% in early 1983-- Mondale, Hart, etc were salivating about facing him the next year? By November 1984, the recovery and end of inflation gave Ronnie a landslide win.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Mon Jul 11, 2022, 01:18 PM

23. People vote their wallets

6% inflation would be devastating, but 8%+ inflation is just murder.

"The Buck Stops Here", right? Well, guess what?

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Mon Jul 11, 2022, 01:21 PM

24. Not good news, but there are many questions on the poll itself

The approval number is very low compared to recent numbers. One question I have is what order were the questions asked? Consider that if you were to ask the direction of the country (and maybe related questions first), then the questions re 2024, you might get the significantly lower poll number.

As to the direction of the country, where this is usually a question on the President's and Congress's agenda, these are not normal times. The direction of the country for MANY people might be the series of Supreme Court decisions that have changed (not just the perception, but the reality) of the way things in the country are changing. In addition to the most obvious, Roe vs Wade, there are questions on whether we still have or can keep a real democracy. Certainly many here, with no reflection on Biden, might have responded that they think (fear) the country is not going in the right direction.

For the 2024 question, I have seen these type of questions used for incumbents before. One I saw was for a long term distinguished Senator asking if people in the state wanted the Senator or "someone else". Though the Senator beat "someone else, the article noted it was close - the Senator did run and got about 2/3ths the vote in both a primary and in the general election. My point, an incumbent vs "anyone else" is not the same as the incumbent vs a competitor or a set of competitors.

Then there are the "reasons why" which may well have been proffered as a list to select from as to why you are not for Biden running. Even if not intended to do so -- this is the very essence of what a push poll is.

If the order were something like this, the low approval is not a surprise.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Mon Jul 11, 2022, 02:04 PM

26. I think this probably counts

a bunch of Democrats who wish, or think President Biden could do more, but wouldn't vote for a Retrumplican if you held a gun to their heads.

Approval ratings are meaningless and useless, except as a means to suppress the vote.

Donnie Dipshit never got above 35% approval, but he still got 71 million votes. Probably because a bunch of fucking Nazis were disappointed he didn't Nazi more, but would never vote for a Dem.

Don't let the media depress you. Probably about 75% of President Biden's numbers come from Democrats that think he can waive some magic wand, but wouldn't touch Retrumplicans with a 10 foot pole.

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Response to maxrandb (Reply #26)

Mon Jul 11, 2022, 02:24 PM

31. You are absolutely correct

People think ďoh if only 33% are happy with Biden that must mean a red wave because 67% will vote for the gopĒ. That is NOT how it works.

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Response to maxrandb (Reply #26)

Mon Jul 11, 2022, 02:44 PM

32. "Donnie Dipshit never got above 35% approval"

Completely false. His approval was from 41-45% for almost his entire Presidency. Only after January 6th did he dip. Today, it's back to about 43%.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Mon Jul 11, 2022, 02:18 PM

29. Honestly who gives AF

Clinton, Bush, Obama and Trump all had low approval ratings during their first term.

People expect the President to be a miracle worker and get resentful when he doesn't immediately fix everything.

No matter what Biden is President for another
2 1/2 years. I for one think his administration is doing great. And Biden has brought dignity back to the White House.

I'm grateful everyday he's President. Especially compared to the seditious orange psychopath.



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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Mon Jul 11, 2022, 02:23 PM

30. President Biden was handed one of the worst situations possible.

Probably only Lincoln and FDR inherited more dire situations.

A raging pandemic, high unemployment, latent inflation, a ticking time bomb in Afghanistan, a rogue Supreme Court, and an opposition party that has lost contact with reality. Also, he has the semblance of a Congressional majority, but in fact not really one.

Hopefully if things calm down, the politics will improve as well.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Mon Jul 11, 2022, 06:21 PM

34. So that number has to include a lot of Democrats...

They may be "dissatisfied" with President Biden's performance, at this time--
but it's not like they are going to go vote for Republicans...

We just need to get them to the polls. There are plenty of other reasons for Democrats to vote for Democrats in this election (obviously), other than what they think of President Biden's performance...

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