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Author | Time | Post |
 Congratulations to Senator Joe Manchin (Original post) |
Tomconroy | Aug 2022 | OP |
| Shellback Squid | Aug 2022 | #1 | |
| AllyCat | Aug 2022 | #4 | |
| ShazzieB | Aug 2022 | #2 | |
| Johnny2X2X | Aug 2022 | #3 | |
| LuvLoogie | Aug 2022 | #5 | |
| democratsruletheday | Aug 2022 | #16 | |
| Johnny2X2X | Aug 2022 | #21 | |
| Phoenix61 | Aug 2022 | #6 | |
| tirebiter | Aug 2022 | #7 | |
| mcar | Aug 2022 | #8 | |
| Nixie | Aug 2022 | #37 | |
| mcar | Aug 2022 | #45 | |
| Nixie | Aug 2022 | #47 | |
| mcar | Aug 2022 | #56 | |
| CentralMass | Aug 2022 | #9 | |
| Eliot Rosewater | Aug 2022 | #10 | |
| SunImp | Aug 2022 | #48 | |
| obnoxiousdrunk | Aug 2022 | #52 | |
| Celerity | Aug 2022 | #54 | |
| qazplm135 | Aug 2022 | #11 | |
| Tomconroy | Aug 2022 | #12 | |
| qazplm135 | Aug 2022 | #17 | |
| Post removed | Aug 2022 | #19 | |
| qazplm135 | Aug 2022 | #24 | |
| edhopper | Aug 2022 | #28 | |
| Duncan Grant | Aug 2022 | #13 | |
| Tomconroy | Aug 2022 | #14 | |
| CentralMass | Aug 2022 | #22 | |
| Tomconroy | Aug 2022 | #23 | |
| CentralMass | Aug 2022 | #51 | |
| mcar | Aug 2022 | #46 | |
| SunImp | Aug 2022 | #49 | |
| Duncan Grant | Aug 2022 | #29 | |
| Post removed | Aug 2022 | #15 | |
| democratsruletheday | Aug 2022 | #18 | |
| CentralMass | Aug 2022 | #26 | |
| lame54 | Aug 2022 | #27 | |
| Autumn | Aug 2022 | #32 | |
| demmiblue | Aug 2022 | #20 | |
| mvd | Aug 2022 | #25 | |
| 48656c6c6f20 | Aug 2022 | #30 | |
| Autumn | Aug 2022 | #31 | |
| cilla4progress | Aug 2022 | #33 | |
| JT45242 | Aug 2022 | #34 | |
| Nixie | Aug 2022 | #36 | |
| XanaDUer2 | Aug 2022 | #35 | |
| helpisontheway | Aug 2022 | #38 | |
| d_b | Aug 2022 | #39 | |
| 867-5309. | Aug 2022 | #40 | |
| betsuni | Aug 2022 | #41 | |
| SKKY | Aug 2022 | #42 | |
| skylucy | Aug 2022 | #43 | |
| tavernier | Aug 2022 | #44 | |
| doc03 | Aug 2022 | #50 | |
| Celerity | Aug 2022 | #53 | |
| CentralMass | Aug 2022 | #58 | |
| kentuck | Aug 2022 | #55 | |
| CentralMass | Aug 2022 | #57 | |
| jcgoldie | Aug 2022 | #59 |
Response to Tomconroy (Original post)
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 05:58 PM
Shellback Squid (8,820 posts)
1. "crickets"
Response to Shellback Squid (Reply #1)
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 06:10 PM
AllyCat (15,178 posts)
4. Yeah, crickets.
Response to Tomconroy (Original post)
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 06:01 PM
Johnny2X2X (17,564 posts)
3. He kept the deal a secret
Response to democratsruletheday (Reply #16)
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 06:36 PM
Johnny2X2X (17,564 posts)
21. Go White
Response to Tomconroy (Original post)
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 06:13 PM
mcar (41,346 posts)
8. Happy to rec this
Response to mcar (Reply #8)
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 07:13 PM
Nixie (16,720 posts)
37. Exactly. He worked at a deal instead of just petty insults. Based on the
Response to Nixie (Reply #37)
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 07:34 PM
mcar (41,346 posts)
45. The Sunrise Movement folks are continuing
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their "better get this done NOW" campaign on Twitter, as if Senate Democrats haven't accomplished this amazing thing. And they actually doubt that Pelosi will get this passed in the House?
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Response to mcar (Reply #45)
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 08:05 PM
Nixie (16,720 posts)
47. That is pathetically amazing, but very predictable, unfortunately.
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The show must go on!
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Response to Tomconroy (Original post)
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 06:20 PM
CentralMass (15,154 posts)
9. Bullshit. The bill has less then half the spending of the original bill due to Manchins continuous
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Response to CentralMass (Reply #9)
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 06:23 PM
10. The tax credit for kids is something I will NEVER forget
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Response to CentralMass (Reply #9)
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 09:36 PM
Celerity (39,241 posts)
54. Far less than half, only 12.5% of the original Biden BBB (now the IRA) new spend framework is left
Response to qazplm135 (Reply #11)
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 06:28 PM
Tomconroy (7,113 posts)
12. Lol. I understand basic principals of economics.
Response to Post removed (Reply #19)
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 06:43 PM
edhopper (31,898 posts)
28. That is a giant heap
Response to Duncan Grant (Reply #13)
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 06:31 PM
Tomconroy (7,113 posts)
14. Any bets the squad votes against this?
Response to Tomconroy (Reply #14)
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 06:38 PM
CentralMass (15,154 posts)
22. The Squad has Bidens back, Machin has McConnell's.
Response to CentralMass (Reply #22)
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 06:39 PM
Tomconroy (7,113 posts)
23. Infrastructure bill?
Response to Tomconroy (Reply #23)
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 09:11 PM
CentralMass (15,154 posts)
51. A vote of concious on a Manchin/GOP gutted bill that had the votes to pass.
Response to CentralMass (Reply #22)
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 07:35 PM
mcar (41,346 posts)
46. The Squad got this bill passed in the Senate?
Response to CentralMass (Reply #22)
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 08:22 PM
49. Manchin got a lot of flak from the Whitehouse because of his stubbornness
Response to Tomconroy (Reply #14)
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 06:44 PM
29. True colors, Joe. We've seen *yours*. How's Enersystems doing today?
Response to democratsruletheday (Reply #18)
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 06:41 PM
CentralMass (15,154 posts)
26. He finally voted for the bill that he single handedly gutted for months with his demands.
Response to democratsruletheday (Reply #18)
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 06:42 PM
lame54 (34,494 posts)
27. Double fuck Joe Manchin...
Response to Tomconroy (Original post)
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 06:41 PM
mvd (64,973 posts)
25. Well he played McConnell
Response to Tomconroy (Original post)
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 06:45 PM
48656c6c6f20 (7,638 posts)
30. Yeah cool story. We get a ride on his yacht now?
Response to Tomconroy (Original post)
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 06:49 PM
cilla4progress (23,797 posts)
33. Huh???
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Forget this?
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Response to JT45242 (Reply #34)
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 07:11 PM
Nixie (16,720 posts)
36. Biden's approval rating dip started when the BIF was linked
Response to Tomconroy (Original post)
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 07:24 PM
42. Yea yea. He's fine. He did his job. Not sure he deserves the pedestal you want to put him on...
Response to Tomconroy (Original post)
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 07:27 PM
tavernier (11,812 posts)
44. Poor guy..,
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Sacrificed everything
Let’s start up a pauper’s fund for him, shall we? |
Response to Tomconroy (Original post)
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 08:33 PM
doc03 (33,914 posts)
50. He opposed a lot of spending because of his concern over inflation, maybe he was right.
Response to Tomconroy (Original post)
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 09:32 PM
Celerity (39,241 posts)
53. Apology? Manchin/Sinema gutted 83.8% combined of BIF & BBB (IRA) 87.5% of the BBB alone
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in terms of new spending.
I am combining the totals of the two bills (BBB and the hard infrastructure bill) for the original Biden frameworks for new spending and then comparing the actual new spend passed to show how much Manchin and Sinema gutted from Biden's proposals for those 2 bills. here is all the maths, with documentation: Biden's original frameworks: 3.5 trillion usd for BBB 2.6 trillion usd for the BIF (see below) A total of 6.1 trillion usd in new spend between the 2 bills was proposed by Biden what was passed (if the IRA aka the remains of the BBB, passes and retains the same new spending totals it currently has) 438 billion usd in new spend for the IRA (it was 433 billion usd but they added in 5 billion usd for drought programmes) 550 billion usd in new spend for the BIF (the 1.2 trillion usd total included 650 billion usd that was basic renewals of transportation programmes that have been around since at least the Obama and Trump administrations, and was not 'new programme' spending, it was just added to overarching package for budgetary reasons. Again, see below, at the bottom) A total of 988 billion usd in new spend, which means 83.8% of the original 6.1 trillion usd has been gutted by Manchin and/or Sinema as it stands. IF you just want to talk the BBB (now the IRA) alone the percentage of gutting is even higher, 87.5% here is the BIF gutting in some detail The Infrastructure Plan: What’s In and What’s Out Biden's original plan: 
What was left after they took a 2+ trillion USD hatchet to it  |
Response to Celerity (Reply #53)
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 10:34 PM
CentralMass (15,154 posts)
58. Thanks for the detailed reply.
Response to Tomconroy (Original post)
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 09:39 PM
kentuck (110,462 posts)
55. Joe Manchin for President.
Response to kentuck (Reply #55)
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 09:52 PM
CentralMass (15,154 posts)
57. Hell no. pull the country together ? The original infrastructure and BBB bills would have
Response to Tomconroy (Original post)
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 10:35 PM
jcgoldie (11,101 posts)
59. What a fucking joke.
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