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applegrove

(118,026 posts)
6. Sounds like they are doing the math on how to reduce civilian casualties as
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 09:57 PM
Aug 2022

at present while Zelensky does the math over the long term and what will be the fate of Ukrainians if Russia wins. Even if Ukrainian civilians survive they will be forced to work for Russian oligarchs for a pittance while the oligarchs become bigger billionaires. Colonialism where dissidents can be killed easily. Russia has demonstrated it is not afraid of committing war crimes. Oligarchical colonialism is what happened after 2014 in some Russian controlled areas of Ukraine. Short term: Amnesty vs.long term: Valensky thinking. Survival of people vs. survival of a peoples. It is all on Russia in the end.

Crunchy Frog

(26,548 posts)
13. The thing is that even in the short term, it's likely to increase civilian casualties.
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 11:49 PM
Aug 2022

It's basically lending legitimacy to the Kremlin narrative behind their terrorist bombings of civilian targets, giving it a patina of respectability. They're likely to be even less restrained than they have been up to now.

I strongly suspect that the organization has been heavily infiltrated by Russian assets.

applegrove

(118,026 posts)
14. Would not surprise me that AI was targeted by Russian evil. The Russians have targetted
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 11:53 PM
Aug 2022

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all kinds of groups. The Russians target the DU and were all over Discussionist. However I know the kind of people who work AI and they are great. Still. It is a fallacy that being a good person makes one immune from exploitation by a psychopath. Anybody can fall to a talented one. To be a victim of a con you just need to be a feeling person.

mitch96

(13,822 posts)
8. Something to the effect of it's Ukraines fault for the Ukrainian deaths b/c they are trying to s
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 11:12 PM
Aug 2022

stop russians from killing Ukrainians.. ?wtf?
Total ass backwards thinking
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/08/06/amnesty-now-utterly-morally-bankrupt/

PortTack

(32,606 posts)
10. Ukraine24.org! This is best place to give. They have raised over 6 million the past 3 months for all
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 11:30 PM
Aug 2022

Causes across The country from orphans to the fight on the front lines

Slava Ukraine!!

Crunchy Frog

(26,548 posts)
11. I'll make a donation and then let AI know it was inspired by them.
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 11:42 PM
Aug 2022

Sad thing is that I remember when it was a good organization with a very tight focus on political prisoners and issues immediately affecting them, like torture. During the days of the "Secret Policeman's Balls".

An organization like that could do a lot of good in Ukraine right now with all the mass arrests, torture, disappearances, and murders in the Russian occupied areas. It would be great if there were an organization specifically dedicated to these types of human rights abuses.

DFW

(54,059 posts)
12. "Russia Government Account?"
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 11:48 PM
Aug 2022

I'd want verification on that. Russian diplomats have better translators than that.

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