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Tue Oct 25, 2022, 10:23 AM

After Thomas let Graham off the hook for a while

The Justice committee needs to get in gear and vote to bring impeachment charges, AND --- write some legistation Fed ethics rules for All Fed judges applies equally to SC justices. Dirty shame that the current SCOTUS is so dishonorable. We can't let them get away with their crap.

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Reply After Thomas let Graham off the hook for a while (Original post)
vlyons Oct 2022 OP
Eyeball_Kid Oct 2022 #1
LymphocyteLover Oct 2022 #12
marble falls Oct 2022 #2
Ponietz Oct 2022 #11
marble falls Oct 2022 #20
Ponietz Oct 2022 #21
CrispyQ Oct 2022 #3
Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #4
EndlessWire Oct 2022 #5
Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #7
elias7 Oct 2022 #9
Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #10
Demsrule86 Oct 2022 #6
SoCalDavidS Oct 2022 #8
Zeitghost Oct 2022 #13
SWBTATTReg Oct 2022 #14
bluestarone Oct 2022 #15
sinkingfeeling Oct 2022 #16
aggiesal Oct 2022 #17
onenote Oct 2022 #18
world wide wally Oct 2022 #19

Response to vlyons (Original post)

Tue Oct 25, 2022, 10:27 AM

1. I agree with your sentiment, but don't know what a Justice committee is. n/t

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Response to Eyeball_Kid (Reply #1)

Tue Oct 25, 2022, 12:56 PM

12. assume they mean Judiciary Committee

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Tue Oct 25, 2022, 10:29 AM

2. It's a TRO to give Graham a chance to sharpen his argument. He'll lose to a full SCOTUS ...

... there is no broad concept that a summons/subpoena is an optional thing.

He's trying to delay the inevitable, and it will only go so far.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #2)

Tue Oct 25, 2022, 12:55 PM

11. A one-year delay could make the subpoena moot

Their term just began and only 4 can guarantee it isn’t heard until October 2023. A decision in February, 2024 would suit that worm nicely.

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Response to Ponietz (Reply #11)

Tue Oct 25, 2022, 03:53 PM

20. The subpoena in this issue is from Georgia, not the J6 committee. The worm will get his.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #20)

Tue Oct 25, 2022, 04:05 PM

21. The worm needs to be indicted

We’re on the same page. That, too, will make a subpoena moot.

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Tue Oct 25, 2022, 10:32 AM

3. Way, way too much has been left to tradition & the honor of (mostly) men.

And not just the judiciary. McConnell's SCOTUS dirty tricks & refusing to bring House bills to the Senate floor & for no reason but to be a bottleneck. WTF? McCarthy's promised to seek revenge if they win the House. WTF? The meanest little assholes in junior high are taking over our government.

So much needs to be addressed. It's boggling.

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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #3)

Tue Oct 25, 2022, 10:44 AM

4. The US gov't appears to operate solely on the honor system.

When there is no honor, the whole system falls apart.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #4)

Tue Oct 25, 2022, 10:54 AM

5. This is a good observation.

We have been long baffled by the astonishing lack of intelligence and surprising "holes" in our laws which are showing up almost daily. It could be that our current darkness is because those things that were once respected are no longer protected by honor.

The whole attitude of certain political parties have thrown off the pretense of honor or love of country, and now they are seen in their true light. So, perhaps you are more fundamentally correct than we would care to admit. The Constitution is from a time when anything less than "honorable" was unthinkable.

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Response to EndlessWire (Reply #5)

Tue Oct 25, 2022, 10:57 AM

7. Trump was a one man audit of the US gov't.

And we failed the audit.

But there were obviously holes before Trump.

The GOP always rams right through any weakness in the system.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #4)

Tue Oct 25, 2022, 11:33 AM

9. !!!

This. And I've been saying that to people around me for a while now. If you don't play by the rules, or rather, if you keep pushing the envelope of what's permissible, you've lost honor. Wall street, Right wing politics, and Big business are the main offenders.

But what allowed (allows) Trump to do what he does are the Republican congress who have lost their honor, and so we watch the whole system unravel.

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Response to elias7 (Reply #9)

Tue Oct 25, 2022, 11:41 AM

10. Psychopaths taking over the US gov't was like taking candy from a baby.

Quite easy to lie, cheat, steal, destroy to their heart's content.

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Tue Oct 25, 2022, 10:55 AM

6. There is no point, we don't have the 66 or 67 votes needed. We can impeach sure...but he will

not be convicted so there is no point. Better to consider expanding the court. That we can do if we win the midterm. Everything depends on the midterm.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #6)

Tue Oct 25, 2022, 11:33 AM

8. THANK YOU!!

These suggestions of things that are IMPOSSIBLE are not helpful at all. They waste our time and emotions thinking that something can be done, when there is ZERO chance that it can.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #6)

Tue Oct 25, 2022, 01:04 PM

13. We don't even have the votes to impeach

And the mid terms will not change that, even if they go well for us and we are able to maintain or increase our membership in the House.

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Tue Oct 25, 2022, 01:07 PM

14. Well, I don't know the Georgia rules for assuming that when questions are asked ...

either in a criminal vs. civil proceeding, that if the posed questions are answered w/ a 5th amendment response, that the de facto answer is indeed the most negative answer possible automatically, e.g., since Graham is refusing to do his civic duty as a sitting US Senator to answer legally posed questions by an installed Georgia panel, then questions can be automatically answered by the Georgia prosecutor, e.g., did you talk to djt prior to calling our election supervisor? YES (answer is automatically assumed since Graham didn't answer or show up)...did you try to get the election supervisor to toss out legitimately cast ballots? YES (answer is automatically assumed since Graham didn't answer or show up)...etc.

All I can say for sure, IMHO, that why is he resisting so much? I thought he was Mr. Civic Duty, and show up, answer the questions and here he is, doing the stay-away-dance. If he has a serious concern of being implicated, then plea the 5th?! Simple, eh?

I guess he doesn't want to look bad, but that moment is long gone.

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Tue Oct 25, 2022, 01:07 PM

15. THIS is so fucking wrong, when ONE person can STOP a

UNANIMOUS decision from an appeals court! At the very least, in a moment like this, the FULL SC should decide in THREE days. PERIOD!!

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Tue Oct 25, 2022, 01:16 PM

16. Stop this shadow docket/personal favors sh*t.

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Tue Oct 25, 2022, 01:21 PM

17. If you missed this story from ''The Last Word'' last night, it's worth a watch ...

It states a quote by Laurence Tribe
Justice Thomas violated 23 USC 455, requiring any "justice" to recuse when his or her "impartiality might reasonably be questioned" or his or her "spouse is known by the justice to have an interest that could be substantially affected by the outcome"


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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Tue Oct 25, 2022, 01:23 PM

18. This likely will be resolved by the full court before Graham's scheduled deposition

The date for his deposition is November 17. It would be quite surprising if the full court doesn't rule one way or another before that date, in which case Thomas's administrative stay will be essentially meaningless. To be clear, the fact that the deposition isn't scheduled to the 17th is another reason (along with the obvious conflict and a unanimous ruling of the court below) why Thomas shouldn't have granted an administrative stay and just referred the request to the full court.

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Tue Oct 25, 2022, 01:29 PM

19. I'm old enough to remember that at one time in our history, there was right and wrong.

There was good and evil. There was cause and effect.
Now there is only Republican and Democrat. That is why we could never hope to have a successful impeachment of a SC Justice or even a Congress Critter.

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