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Why do we dance around the obvious (Original Post) TheRealNorth Oct 2022 OP
yes, another assassination attempt on her. Cobalt Violet Oct 2022 #1
Well it started with the ORANGE A-O republianmushroom Oct 2022 #2
It started long ago but in particular it was a theme of the Tea Party GOP. Ford_Prefect Oct 2022 #16
Recall the video of Sarah Palin and her target practice ?? And who was the target? The video riversedge Oct 2022 #53
With printouts in many back yards in the valley and free copies at our local Gun Barn, Ford_Prefect Oct 2022 #59
2nd in line. VP is first. Prez is not "in line". . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2022 #3
I've never Delphinus Oct 2022 #5
That simple malaise Oct 2022 #4
#2 in line. mobeau69 Oct 2022 #6
This 2naSalit Oct 2022 #17
Thanks - corrected TheRealNorth Oct 2022 #37
K & R Stuart G Oct 2022 #7
Remember the Jan 6 Trumpster insurrectionist who wanted to shoot Nancy Pelosi in the head... keithbvadu2 Oct 2022 #8
something I wondered about was why this clown wasn't armed rurallib Oct 2022 #9
He was armed, with a hammer... Caliman73 Oct 2022 #12
That or he didn't want the gunfire noise KS Toronado Oct 2022 #13
Those are mansions in Pacific Heights. I'm guessing one would not go unnoticed, except... NullTuples Oct 2022 #47
Those are mansions in Pacific Heights. I'm guessing one would not go unnoticed, except... NullTuples Oct 2022 #48
Not against the law to walk around with a hammer in your hand. Back around 1992-93 Hotler Oct 2022 #60
The hammer was the attacker's? Hadn't read that. Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2022 #61
A hammer blow for justice pandr32 Oct 2022 #62
Who do you think is ignoring this point? brooklynite Oct 2022 #10
Well OldBaldy1701E Oct 2022 #14
Watch Nicolle Wallace, gab13by13 Oct 2022 #18
Nothing about his intent separates him from being a "lone nut job" brooklynite Oct 2022 #20
Are you suggesting the hate and vile rhetoric... druidity33 Oct 2022 #23
Of course it does...and it encourages lone nut jobs to act out. brooklynite Oct 2022 #27
So... druidity33 Oct 2022 #33
Computer says yes. n/t MontanaMama Oct 2022 #46
Depends on how you define organized in this context..... paleotn Oct 2022 #25
I agree with you. Dan Oct 2022 #28
I agree with you too. nt. druidity33 Oct 2022 #34
Sure as Hell is! TY! Cha Oct 2022 #38
100% agree. sheshe2 Oct 2022 #42
I am saying that I read articles and that is the impression I got from them. (n/t) OldBaldy1701E Oct 2022 #54
Are you serious? You don't see the concerted, ongoing propaganda as "organized?" yardwork Oct 2022 #56
I hope you all realize that this is an opportunity Gymbo Oct 2022 #11
Indeed, we should exploit any opportunities we find. calimary Oct 2022 #51
How about drmeow Oct 2022 #15
how about not eShirl Oct 2022 #49
The other obvious and scary thing Thunderbeast Oct 2022 #19
Exactly! paleotn Oct 2022 #22
Absolutely..... paleotn Oct 2022 #21
WE don't. Mr. Evil Oct 2022 #24
Seems very likely. But smart people don't insist they know what they don't. Hortensis Oct 2022 #26
It was without doubt an assassination attempt. Demsrule86 Oct 2022 #29
The best revenge is to live well Speed8098 Oct 2022 #30
He hates all the people they hate. ShazzieB Oct 2022 #55
Yup and I hope they charge him as such. Joinfortmill Oct 2022 #31
I had lunch with my husband and his brother today and somehow this story came up OMGWTF Oct 2022 #32
Now THAT's some genius-level false-flag operation planning GopherGal Oct 2022 #36
the arrest charges do include attempted murder, at least that made it into the stories paulkienitz Oct 2022 #35
Fox News is deliberately responsible for this attack! Initech Oct 2022 #39
Continuing what they didn't accomplish on January 6th, they're still out there, plotting and planning Rhiannon12866 Oct 2022 #40
Yes and we will be told there is nothing that can be done. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #41
When will we reach the breaking point. The Wizard Oct 2022 #43
Yes, it was another assassination attempt. 1/6 was the first (although there may have been others?) Evolve Dammit Oct 2022 #44
Definitely an 😥😤🤬 assassination attempt. electric_blue68 Oct 2022 #45
Yes agree Meowmee Oct 2022 #50
a direct result of repukes trying to divide the nation Skittles Oct 2022 #52
I am disturbed that the physical security at her home was not stronger. The Jungle 1 Oct 2022 #57
To "Kill 'em all" you've got to start somewhere. Right? czarjak Oct 2022 #58
Had Nancy Pelosi been at home, she would have become a murder victim. Raster Oct 2022 #63

Ford_Prefect

(7,828 posts)
16. It started long ago but in particular it was a theme of the Tea Party GOP.
Fri Oct 28, 2022, 05:55 PM
Oct 2022

Karl Rove warned them it was a bridge too far and they called him a weakling because of that.

riversedge

(69,727 posts)
53. Recall the video of Sarah Palin and her target practice ?? And who was the target? The video
Sat Oct 29, 2022, 05:45 AM
Oct 2022

is probably still circulating on the net??

keithbvadu2

(36,369 posts)
8. Remember the Jan 6 Trumpster insurrectionist who wanted to shoot Nancy Pelosi in the head...
Fri Oct 28, 2022, 04:53 PM
Oct 2022

Remember the Jan 6 Trumpster insurrectionist who wanted to shoot Nancy Pelosi in the head...

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=jan+6+shoot+nancy+pelosi+in+the+head

rurallib

(62,346 posts)
9. something I wondered about was why this clown wasn't armed
Fri Oct 28, 2022, 05:01 PM
Oct 2022

I mean if you plan to kill, a gun is the weapon of choice, right?

Then it dawned on me he not only wanted to kill but he also wanted to make Pelosi suffer.
Gawd these are awful people.

Caliman73

(11,694 posts)
12. He was armed, with a hammer...
Fri Oct 28, 2022, 05:07 PM
Oct 2022

Remember that it isn't that easy to get a gun in California either. All firearms purchases, except interfamily (nuclear family) transfers, have to go through a background check. If this guy has an arrest record, even for protests, that might interfere with his ability to buy a gun. Also, there is a 10 day waiting period for each purchase of a firearm in California. Not that those steps are insurmountable, but they might deter the average fool.

I do not disagree with your assessment that he wanted Pelosi and/or her husband to suffer. I just think he went with what he could get easiest.

KS Toronado

(16,911 posts)
13. That or he didn't want the gunfire noise
Fri Oct 28, 2022, 05:15 PM
Oct 2022

Looks like neighbors might be within ear range of a gunshot.

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
47. Those are mansions in Pacific Heights. I'm guessing one would not go unnoticed, except...
Sat Oct 29, 2022, 12:55 AM
Oct 2022

They are good-sized mansions and sometimes empty. And it's not a gated community, at all. They're on same grid of streets as the rest of The City.

I'm guessing gun control works, sometimes. At least with the first wave, those most susceptible to leaders trying to instigate stochastic terrorism. The next wave thinks, and plans ahead.

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
48. Those are mansions in Pacific Heights. I'm guessing one would not go unnoticed, except...
Sat Oct 29, 2022, 01:00 AM
Oct 2022

They are good-sized mansions and sometimes empty. And it's not a gated community, at all. They're on same grid of streets as the rest of The City.

I'm guessing gun control works, sometimes. At least with the first wave, those most susceptible to leaders trying to instigate stochastic terrorism. Revving up the rhetoric until the least stable act on it. "Lone wolves" who allow leaders to claim they didn't pull the trigger, detonate the explosion or in this case, swing the hammer.

The next wave thinks, and plans ahead.

Hotler

(11,353 posts)
60. Not against the law to walk around with a hammer in your hand. Back around 1992-93
Sat Oct 29, 2022, 10:52 AM
Oct 2022

The Hell's Angels held their annual club meeting in Steamboat Colorado. everything was peaceful. Except they all walked around with ball peen hammers on their belts. Cops said it wasn't against the law unless they use it as a weapon. Now days they carry large tactical aluminum flashlights.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
61. The hammer was the attacker's? Hadn't read that.
Sat Oct 29, 2022, 12:43 PM
Oct 2022

For some reason thought Pelosi had it. Funny I was just thinking that the attacker wasn't armed. But as details unfold, sounds like Pelosi didn't know the guy had gotten in... Since he had to call 9-11 from bathroom ? Still, pieces of story to unravel huh

pandr32

(11,447 posts)
62. A hammer blow for justice
Sat Oct 29, 2022, 01:22 PM
Oct 2022

McCarthy also said "it will be hard not to hit" Speaker Pelosi with the gavel when he retakes it. In this instance of the attack planned on Pelosi the hammer represents the gavel, justice, etc. to the attacker.
Also, he didn't expect the little baby-eating radical leftist leader to be able to fend him off as he bashed in her brains.

OldBaldy1701E

(4,968 posts)
14. Well
Fri Oct 28, 2022, 05:45 PM
Oct 2022

I have read three articles about this so far, and none of them paint this person as trying to assassinate Speaker Pelosi. They seem to want to make him out as a lone nut job. Given what they have found so far on social media, I wonder why?

*cough cough*MAGAt*cough cough*

brooklynite

(93,873 posts)
20. Nothing about his intent separates him from being a "lone nut job"
Fri Oct 28, 2022, 06:33 PM
Oct 2022

Are you suggesting this was an organized attack?

druidity33

(6,435 posts)
23. Are you suggesting the hate and vile rhetoric...
Fri Oct 28, 2022, 06:42 PM
Oct 2022

spewed daily from the right..... has nothing to do with this? That there won't be plenty more "lone nut-jobs" somehow?



brooklynite

(93,873 posts)
27. Of course it does...and it encourages lone nut jobs to act out.
Fri Oct 28, 2022, 07:05 PM
Oct 2022

Nobody i suggesting he wasn't encouraged by violent rhetoric.

druidity33

(6,435 posts)
33. So...
Fri Oct 28, 2022, 07:47 PM
Oct 2022

when a bunch of "lone nut jobs" act out because of violent rhetoric, you know, hate speech designed to create mayhem, you don't see that as organized? What about orchestrated? Is this just a difference in terminology that you are arguing? You really don't think Trump and his ilk have been hoping for more of this? Are you just naturally obstreperous?

paleotn

(17,781 posts)
25. Depends on how you define organized in this context.....
Fri Oct 28, 2022, 06:52 PM
Oct 2022

Rhetoric of the fascist reich drives this behavior. In that context, you bet your fucking ass this is organized.

Dan

(3,524 posts)
28. I agree with you.
Fri Oct 28, 2022, 07:11 PM
Oct 2022

One should read about what happened in Germany in the 1930’s’

The purpose is to destabilize the government - make it seem that there is no control - thus the need for a Strongman.

Trump and his followers would destroy the nation if that is what’s required to assume control.

Republicans who vote because there is a “R” behind their candidates name - in their own way are supporting the overthrowing of the government - regardless of their protestations of just voting for a conservative government. Sometimes, I just wish that they could get the “government” that they think they want, but it would harm too many decent people.

Plus, I always love the argument that ‘2nd Amendment’ and their right to have a gun. As if, they would have the right to own a gun with a authoritarian regime. The collection points for their guns would be on every corner - and those that did not turn in their guns - I have no doubt that their ‘friends’ would turn them in.

yardwork

(61,418 posts)
56. Are you serious? You don't see the concerted, ongoing propaganda as "organized?"
Sat Oct 29, 2022, 09:15 AM
Oct 2022

If this thinking reflects the "insider Democratic leadership" thinking I can see why we're struggling to win elections.

Gymbo

(133 posts)
11. I hope you all realize that this is an opportunity
Fri Oct 28, 2022, 05:06 PM
Oct 2022

Use this to paint MAGA as dangerous. Honestly, our politicians and their families are in danger and as long as this MAGA threat grows, it can only get worse. Write about the danger to get out the Democratic vote, it works for them, well, let it work for us.

drmeow

(4,996 posts)
15. How about
Fri Oct 28, 2022, 05:53 PM
Oct 2022

a public execution - I mean, the Reich wing al think the death penalty deters crime, let's see if it works on them!

Thunderbeast

(3,383 posts)
19. The other obvious and scary thing
Fri Oct 28, 2022, 06:25 PM
Oct 2022

Nearly 40% of the country seems OK with it...and due to flaws in our 240 year-old constitution, these supporters of fascism are on the cusp of control.

paleotn

(17,781 posts)
21. Absolutely.....
Fri Oct 28, 2022, 06:38 PM
Oct 2022

Someone needs to make believers out of these magat motherfuckers. We need to put some of these bastards in the morgue.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
26. Seems very likely. But smart people don't insist they know what they don't.
Fri Oct 28, 2022, 06:54 PM
Oct 2022

And it's actually a huge principle of journalism.

Speed8098

(1,655 posts)
30. The best revenge is to live well
Fri Oct 28, 2022, 07:15 PM
Oct 2022

Let's just take these next 18 days and show facts. This administration has made record strides in employment growth, full employment, reinstated treaties, repaired the damage to our allies that Biff caused.
We now have an infrastructure law that requires all materials be manufactured in the United States. We are going to be bring semiconductor manufacturing back to USA, not to mention the pact act.

The cult leader promised everything and only delivered to his multi rich donors., as well and his poorly educated donors that has no idea for month that they were being bilked by the grifter because they forgot to check a box in their email.

They think he's one of them; don't ask me why, but they do. It's up to our candidates to point out the positives of this administration and let the right that look like the folks that can only complain about policies they have no solutions t0, and haven't had for decades.

We are for the people, they are for the corporations. This decision is a no brainier
. .

OMGWTF

(3,901 posts)
32. I had lunch with my husband and his brother today and somehow this story came up
Fri Oct 28, 2022, 07:35 PM
Oct 2022

and I said how awful it was, so my brother-in-law says that when the police entered the room Paul Pelosi was holding the hammer, as if to imply that it was Pelosi who was attacking the intruder with the hammer. I quickly countered his BS hate radio talking points with a rejoinder and we changed the subject. He has enjoyed taking swipes at my progressive views for almost 30 years, but I blow it off.

Prior to this topic, he said he was thinking about getting a job at the library, but then he'd have to work with "woke" people. I asked him what he meant by 'woke' people. He said, "You know, queers, transvestites; things like that."

This is a 68-year-old rocket scientist (srsly) with health issues, who lives alone in an old trailer, on just Social Security and has no savings. He is a perennial bachelor who has never had a girlfriend or any friends.

In retrospect, I wish I'd told him that I read in Scientific American about a study showing that homophobes are likely to be self-loathing, closeted homosexuals themselves --https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/homophobes-might-be-hidden-homosexuals/. I would LOL at the look on his face, but frankly, I hope I never see this loser asshole again.


GopherGal

(1,999 posts)
36. Now THAT's some genius-level false-flag operation planning
Fri Oct 28, 2022, 08:08 PM
Oct 2022

Paul Pelosi gets a hammer and holds onto it, awaiting an intruder. The presence of the hammer is just too tempting for the innocent (and otherwise nonviolent ??? yeah, right ) intruder who, upon the arrival of the police, is baited into attacking Mr. Pelosi with the hammer.

We Democrats sure play 5-dimensional chess when we set up our false-flag ops...

paulkienitz

(1,295 posts)
35. the arrest charges do include attempted murder, at least that made it into the stories
Fri Oct 28, 2022, 07:49 PM
Oct 2022

though hardly in a prominent fashion.

Initech

(99,915 posts)
39. Fox News is deliberately responsible for this attack!
Fri Oct 28, 2022, 08:41 PM
Oct 2022

They're already in "nothing to see here, move along" mode. We cannot let them get away with this one! Hannity and Carlson are egging this shit on every single night. What did they think was going to happen?

Rhiannon12866

(203,022 posts)
40. Continuing what they didn't accomplish on January 6th, they're still out there, plotting and planning
Fri Oct 28, 2022, 08:58 PM
Oct 2022

As long as TFG is still out there with his "rallies," continuing his Big Lie and firing up those who believe him.

The Wizard

(12,482 posts)
43. When will we reach the breaking point.
Fri Oct 28, 2022, 10:32 PM
Oct 2022

The Nazis have been clamoring for civil war. Maybe it's time to get ourselves armed or be hunted down by Trump Brown Shirts.

Evolve Dammit

(16,632 posts)
44. Yes, it was another assassination attempt. 1/6 was the first (although there may have been others?)
Fri Oct 28, 2022, 10:33 PM
Oct 2022

Nancy has been hated by the right for decades. Strong, principled, democratic women (and men) apparently drive them insane.

Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
50. Yes agree
Sat Oct 29, 2022, 03:25 AM
Oct 2022

he should be charged with that, attempted assination, as well as attempted murder and deadly force assault of Paul Pelosi. It doesn't matter whether he was a lone terrorist/assassin or not. Paul Pelosis is very lucky to be alive. I think this whole thing is being downplayed.

 

The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
57. I am disturbed that the physical security at her home was not stronger.
Sat Oct 29, 2022, 09:15 AM
Oct 2022

This fascist came in through a sliding glass door. I get it the SS was with Nancy but that house needs to be secure. They have the money to make it secure.
Our leaders need to up the security on their homes.

Raster

(20,996 posts)
63. Had Nancy Pelosi been at home, she would have become a murder victim.
Sat Oct 29, 2022, 03:21 PM
Oct 2022

The MAGAt purposely intended to kill Speaker Pelosi.

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