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electric_blue68

(14,609 posts)
Mon Nov 7, 2022, 10:31 PM Nov 2022

(Since 8P) Special MSNBC Election - did Kernacki just say we're a 50-50 Country? I don't think so...

Seems closer to ? 60 - 40.

60%- Dems, Dem learning Indpdnt
40%- Reps, Rep leaning Indpdnt

Obviously it's even more complex & nuanced -
Though I'd say Libertarians usually go w Reps much,
most? of the time.

The non voters etc


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(Since 8P) Special MSNBC Election - did Kernacki just say we're a 50-50 Country? I don't think so... (Original Post) electric_blue68 Nov 2022 OP
Republicans almost always lose the overall vote in the presidential election. Not 50-50 Walleye Nov 2022 #1
"Thank you", very much Electoral College! electric_blue68 Nov 2022 #6
They lose the House too. FoxNewsSucks Nov 2022 #9
Uber gerrymandering by repugs electric_blue68 Nov 2022 #13
I'm sure he was talking the states specifically the 50-50 Senate. jimfields33 Nov 2022 #12
Oh ... You could be right. I caught more of that later o the show. electric_blue68 Nov 2022 #14
He's a numbers guy. I don't know anyone who has ever been polled Deuxcents Nov 2022 #2
Also...it may even be closer to 65% - 35% electric_blue68 Nov 2022 #3
50-50, 60-40 mean nothing when districts/states have a different makeup than the nation as a whole Claustrum Nov 2022 #4
Heh, well there's that too. That's why even if I didn't totaly think that through - is part of... electric_blue68 Nov 2022 #5
Add to that all the ways Repugs have made it hard to vote slightlv Nov 2022 #7
Expand the House until per capita representation is equal. Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2022 #18
Pukes lose the popular vote. More like 35/65 onecaliberal Nov 2022 #8
My 35% is designating Repuglicans electric_blue68 Nov 2022 #15
Yes. onecaliberal Nov 2022 #16
I'd say 55-45-10 brooklynite Nov 2022 #10
That's 110%. TwilightZone Nov 2022 #20
Caught That Too ProfessorGAC Nov 2022 #21
Only 30% of the country identifies as gqp. PortTack Nov 2022 #11
I brought down to 35% on second reflection. 30% might be more accurate. electric_blue68 Nov 2022 #17
Actually, 23-24% ProfessorGAC Nov 2022 #22
TFG supporters are not 50% of population LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2022 #19

FoxNewsSucks

(10,375 posts)
9. They lose the House too.
Mon Nov 7, 2022, 10:49 PM
Nov 2022

By millions of votes, but usually control it thanks to gerrymandering.

And there are also millions more votes for Democratic senators than republicons.

Deuxcents

(15,777 posts)
2. He's a numbers guy. I don't know anyone who has ever been polled
Mon Nov 7, 2022, 10:36 PM
Nov 2022

So statistics are one thing n reality is completely different. I don’t enjoy all that so I find something else to watch or read n wait for the results (a couple of days later, sometimes)

Claustrum

(4,845 posts)
4. 50-50, 60-40 mean nothing when districts/states have a different makeup than the nation as a whole
Mon Nov 7, 2022, 10:41 PM
Nov 2022

Unless we have proportional representation based on the number of votes gotten (we clearly don't), the total make up number means nothing when a district with 10 people has the same number of representative as a district with 50 million.

electric_blue68

(14,609 posts)
5. Heh, well there's that too. That's why even if I didn't totaly think that through - is part of...
Mon Nov 7, 2022, 10:43 PM
Nov 2022

the complexity!

slightlv

(2,635 posts)
7. Add to that all the ways Repugs have made it hard to vote
Mon Nov 7, 2022, 10:46 PM
Nov 2022

or disqualified others from voting, and you're still not getting a true voting populace.

TwilightZone

(25,342 posts)
20. That's 110%.
Tue Nov 8, 2022, 08:36 AM
Nov 2022

I also think we habitually underestimate the politically disengaged. I think it's more like 40%. Most of them just lean one way or the other already.

I also think it's closer to 50/50 (including leaners) than we often wish to acknowledge.

ProfessorGAC

(64,420 posts)
21. Caught That Too
Tue Nov 8, 2022, 09:05 AM
Nov 2022

Where we diverge is that the vote totals don't suggest 50:50.
In 2014 & 2016, the Rs controlled the house, but nationwide under 44% of all votes cast.
The senate is trickier because of the lack of proportion, but a 50:50 Senate was the result of dems getting (over 3 elections) 62% of the vote.
So, I actually think it's closer to 60/40 than 50/50.

ProfessorGAC

(64,420 posts)
22. Actually, 23-24%
Tue Nov 8, 2022, 09:07 AM
Nov 2022

Pew & Gallup both got the same value.
It's accurate, however, to say the indies tend to lean R more than D.
It's what keeps elections close.

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