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Mike Martin: The Ukrainians have taken Kherson. What now? A map-based explainer (Original Post) Beastly Boy Nov 2022 OP
I think his maps are a little too rough muriel_volestrangler Nov 2022 #1
There are unconfirmed reports I've seen since yesterday showing Ukr presence on Beastly Boy Nov 2022 #2

muriel_volestrangler

(101,155 posts)
1. I think his maps are a little too rough
Mon Nov 14, 2022, 07:15 PM
Nov 2022

For instance, these 2 imply the Ukrainians have retaken the south side of the lake on the Dnipro:




Whereas a more detailed one still shows that under Russian control:


(from https://twitter.com/ChuckPfarrer)
and that's important, because that bit marked 'Khakovka' and 'principal area of RU troop concentration' is where the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaporizhzhia_Nuclear_Power_Plant . I've seen nothing about the Russians retreating from there.

Beastly Boy

(9,063 posts)
2. There are unconfirmed reports I've seen since yesterday showing Ukr presence on
Mon Nov 14, 2022, 07:55 PM
Nov 2022

Kinburn peninsula (south of where Dnipro's delta meets the sea. Most maps show the area as Russian-occupied but Mike assumes (hopefully with good reason) that the blogger reports have some substance to it. He is being pretty sloppy with his drawings, and speculates that Ukr presence there is a diversion anyway, a diversion that the Russian forces have to respond to or risk their new fortifications on the left bank of the river being outflanked and rendered useless. Mike proposes that the main thrust of Ukr forces moving south will happen around the Zaporizzha area movinh towards Melitopol ant turning west towards Kherson.

This makes a lot of sense, but so does ouflanking Russian Dnipro fortifications from the south and going south-east towards Krimea. I wouldn't dismiss Ukr presence on Kinburn as a diversion just yet.

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