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Thu Nov 24, 2022, 10:53 AM

REPUBLICANS LOST BIG ON ABORTION BALLOT MEASURES. NOW THEY'RE TRYING TO CHANGE THE RULES

REPUBLICANS LOST BIG ON ABORTION BALLOT MEASURES. NOW THEY’RE TRYING TO CHANGE THE RULES
Ohio’s Republican secretary of state says a proposal to make it harder to pass ballot initiatives isn’t about abortion. But as Ohio advocates debate a possible abortion ballot measure, liberal advocates are calling it “a power grab.”

Republicans, perhaps coming to terms with the unpopularity of their antiabortion agenda, seem to be grasping for a new playbook. Republicans in Ohio want to make it harder to amend the state constitution via ballot initiative, which abortion advocates say is a blatant attempt to block voter-driven efforts to enshrine reproductive protections in state rights.

“Ohio’s constitution has been far too susceptible to efforts by outside groups and special interests seeking to alter the people’s constitution to achieve their own ends,” Republican state representative Brian Stewart said, according to The Columbus Dispatch. With the backing of Frank LaRose, the Republican Ohio secretary of state, Stewart has introduced a resolution that would require a supermajority of Ohioans, 60%—as opposed to the current threshold of 50% plus one vote—to change the state constitution.

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The Fairness Project, an organization that backs progressive ballot measures, was quick to condemn the effort. “Let’s be clear about what this announcement means: Ohio Republicans are planning a power grab next year in order to diminish voters’ power at the ballot box,” executive director Kelly Hall said in a statement. “They know voters don’t agree with them on the issues, so they are changing the rules of the game.”

Even LaRose’s own statement regarding the supermajority proposal arguably belies the claim that the current threshold has left Ohio susceptible to the grip of special interests. As he noted, of the 16 petition-based amendments that have been proposed in the state since 2000, only five have passed. And abortion is a particularly controversial issue in the Buckeye state. Ohio’s Republican governor, Mike DeWine, signed one of the strictest abortion bans in 2019, which went into effect when Roe v. Wade fell. A so-called heartbeat bill, it makes abortion illegal after about six-weeks of pregnancy with no exceptions for rape or incest, but has since been blocked by the courts. According to the Dispatch, abortion rights advocates in the state are currently debating whether to put the issue on the ballot in 2023 or 2024.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/11/republicans-abortion-ballot-measures-ohio

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Reply REPUBLICANS LOST BIG ON ABORTION BALLOT MEASURES. NOW THEY'RE TRYING TO CHANGE THE RULES (Original post)
BlueWaveNeverEnd Nov 24 OP
BlueIdaho Nov 24 #1
MayReasonRule Nov 24 #6
catbyte Nov 24 #2
AllaN01Bear Nov 24 #3
Liberal In Texas Nov 24 #4
Deminpenn Nov 25 #11
Timeflyer Nov 24 #5
Hong Kong Cavalier Nov 24 #7
BlueWaveNeverEnd Nov 24 #8
Hermit-The-Prog Nov 25 #9
vercetti2021 Nov 25 #10
keep_left Nov 25 #13
Hermit-The-Prog Nov 25 #14
Genki Hikari Nov 25 #15
Hermit-The-Prog Nov 25 #16
roamer65 Nov 25 #12
mn9driver Nov 25 #17

Response to BlueWaveNeverEnd (Original post)

Thu Nov 24, 2022, 10:58 AM

1. So much for "Listening to the people."

These ChristoFascists are hell bent on destroying the constitution and the democracy good people have fought for since the beginning of our nation.

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Response to BlueIdaho (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 24, 2022, 12:43 PM

6. Yep

Nat-C Fascists, each and every one.

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Response to BlueWaveNeverEnd (Original post)

Thu Nov 24, 2022, 11:02 AM

2. ...

“Ohio’s constitution has been far too susceptible to efforts by outside groups and special interests seeking to alter the people’s constitution to achieve their own ends,” Republican state representative Brian Stewart said, according to The Columbus Dispatch. With the backing of Frank LaRose, the Republican Ohio secretary of state, Stewart has introduced a resolution that would require a supermajority of Ohioans, 60%—as opposed to the current threshold of 50% plus one vote—to change the state constitution.


Oh, you mean no "outside influences" but the Koch brothers' ALEC and other corporate bullshit legislation? Can't have the people decide what they want their government to be, just the GQP's corporate and special interest overlords.

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Response to BlueWaveNeverEnd (Original post)

Thu Nov 24, 2022, 11:08 AM

3. nothing new here . move on.

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Response to BlueWaveNeverEnd (Original post)

Thu Nov 24, 2022, 11:19 AM

4. How long before they'll abolish petition-based ballot measures?

And be like my state:
Texas is one of eighteen states which do not permit any other form of initiative, referendum, or recall.
- https://texaspolitics.utexas.edu/archive/html/leg/features/0902_01/initiative.html

I wish we could get some petition generated things on the ballot. It might get more people out to vote for one thing.

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Response to Liberal In Texas (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 25, 2022, 06:03 AM

11. We don't have that in Pennsylvania either except

for being able to propose constitutional amendments. Any proposed amendment has to pass in two consecutive sessions of the state legislature. The Rs figured out the timing so their amendments would be on the ballot during primaries when their voters tend to turnout more regularly therefore having a much better chance to pass. They were set to cause more mischief but didn't foresee losing control of the state house.

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Response to BlueWaveNeverEnd (Original post)

Thu Nov 24, 2022, 12:19 PM

5. They can't win if they don't cheat.

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Response to BlueWaveNeverEnd (Original post)

Thu Nov 24, 2022, 02:15 PM

7. They tried to change those rules in South Dakota this summer...

...for the primary elections.

It lost big time.

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Response to Hong Kong Cavalier (Reply #7)

Thu Nov 24, 2022, 04:13 PM

8. i am glad

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Response to BlueWaveNeverEnd (Original post)

Fri Nov 25, 2022, 05:44 AM

9. The radicalized Republican party wants permanent rule. Democracy is in their way.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #9)

Fri Nov 25, 2022, 05:50 AM

10. And it always will be

Fascism never lasts. It will die and it would here too.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #9)

Fri Nov 25, 2022, 10:13 AM

13. Yep. That began in the early '90s with the Clinton victory. The right made it clear...

...that Clinton would be treated as illegitimate from the first day. They cranked up the entire outrage machine, from the "think" tanks to the newly-minted Fox News, and went on the attack for Clinton's entire term. The attitude clearly was that only they could rule, period.

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Response to keep_left (Reply #13)

Fri Nov 25, 2022, 10:24 AM

14. Hillary's big "crime" was to try to get health insurance and education for children.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #14)

Fri Nov 25, 2022, 04:48 PM

15. Hillary's big "crime"

Was in wanting to do more than be an arm decoration.

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Response to Genki Hikari (Reply #15)

Fri Nov 25, 2022, 05:00 PM

16. They never forgave her for that ...

She started out by exposing racism in education, then threatened some big (insurance) revenue streams.

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Response to BlueWaveNeverEnd (Original post)

Fri Nov 25, 2022, 09:35 AM

12. They hate that blue state to the north.

Recreational MJ, independent redistricting, legal abortion, etc.

All of it was done via ballot proposals.

They don’t want true democracy to spread there from here.

Go Blue!

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Response to BlueWaveNeverEnd (Original post)

Fri Nov 25, 2022, 05:08 PM

17. When right wingers are defeated at the ballot box, they don't abandon their proposals,

They abandon democracy.

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