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speak easy

(9,101 posts)
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 07:20 PM Dec 2022

The decision has been made, but I think the 2024 Primary Schedule is a bad move.

The President could have achieved most of what he wanted, by holding the existing first four - IA, NH, NV, SC on the same day, all as primaries. Added together, you get something like a representative demographic.

No that would not satisfy NH - being first is not enough. What do you call an exclusive for a state that is practically exclusively white?

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The decision has been made, but I think the 2024 Primary Schedule is a bad move. (Original Post) speak easy Dec 2022 OP
It hasn't happened yet and probably won't. Ocelot II Dec 2022 #1
Several states would have to agree to the schedule SCantiGOP Dec 2022 #2
So what do we do if other states pass that same law? padfun Dec 2022 #3
Take away their delegates... JT45242 Dec 2022 #7
What you outline...all four on the same day first... brush Dec 2022 #4
It is a compromise - but it gives the President what he wants - SC first, on Feb 3 speak easy Dec 2022 #6
Iowa captive here it needs to go (nh too) JT45242 Dec 2022 #5
NH was critical in 2000. speak easy Dec 2022 #8
2000 Was 22 Years Ago. Politics and the Dem Party Are in a Different Place Now. Indykatie Dec 2022 #9
+1 JustAnotherGen Dec 2022 #10
Re 2000: 'Florida is in a Different Place Now' speak easy Dec 2022 #11
Iowa has joined the confederacy. move it to the last possible day nt msongs Dec 2022 #12

Ocelot II

(115,279 posts)
1. It hasn't happened yet and probably won't.
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 07:23 PM
Dec 2022

The states whose schedules are proposed to be changed are objecting, and NH's laws require that it go first. This is not a done deal.

SCantiGOP

(13,856 posts)
2. Several states would have to agree to the schedule
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 07:26 PM
Dec 2022

some are run by republicans, and some have laws like you point out in NH that require them to change their dates if necessary to keep their place in the lineup.

padfun

(1,780 posts)
3. So what do we do if other states pass that same law?
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 07:28 PM
Dec 2022

The one that requires that their state goes first.

JT45242

(2,173 posts)
7. Take away their delegates...
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 07:47 PM
Dec 2022

Also heard the party can take away candidate delegates if they choose to campaign in rogue states.

Give NH and Iowa 1 delegate each.

brush

(53,471 posts)
4. What you outline...all four on the same day first...
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 07:30 PM
Dec 2022

Last edited Fri Dec 2, 2022, 08:06 PM - Edit history (1)

is not a bad idea. It is different though than the new proposal by the WH...SC first, then NV and NH then Georgia I believe...both are an improvement over NH first then Iowa's antiquated caucus system.

Georgia I've just read, is opposed to the new Georgia date. I believe it'll get worked out for the better as Iowa and NH first, both some 90% white, is no longer compatible with the diverse make-up of the Democratic Party as they are both unfair to non-white candidates.

speak easy

(9,101 posts)
6. It is a compromise - but it gives the President what he wants - SC first, on Feb 3
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 07:47 PM
Dec 2022

while moving NV, and NH up three days, to the same date.

JT45242

(2,173 posts)
5. Iowa captive here it needs to go (nh too)
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 07:45 PM
Dec 2022

1. A caucus is undemocratic. You have to announce your vote to everyone instead of a secret ballots.
2. Caucuses are a first class pain in the ass. Ours is held at an elementary or middle school with about 40-50 parking spots for about 3,000 voters. Literally parked 1.5 miles away. You want a caucus, you go last and you get one delegate.
3. Iowa is a red state state with few electoral college votes that we won't win. If you have all red at the federal level and close to 20 years of rethug governor then who the handful of democratic voters are do not matter. This is trump country .. remember Steve king was a rep here for a ling time. We literally just passed a state amendment that said we would ignore all federal gun laws, which is clearly unconstitutional.
4. The state is more than 90 percent white.

Early primary states should have the following requirements.
1. Have at least 8 electoral college votes.
2. At least 30 percent non white population.
3. Have a realistic chance of being carried in the general because statewide offices like governor or senator have been held by Dems recently.

I voted in Ohio from 1988 to 2013 when I came to Iowa because of a job, and the Ohio primary never meant a thing but Ohio was critical to the general. Neither NH nor IA are critical to the general, so go to the back of the line.

Indykatie

(3,691 posts)
9. 2000 Was 22 Years Ago. Politics and the Dem Party Are in a Different Place Now.
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 08:31 PM
Dec 2022

I think it's disrespectful to the base of the party to have IA and NH going first. It just makes me angry. 2 Small White states should not have outsized influence on what candidates are viable as the nominating cycle begins. Period.

speak easy

(9,101 posts)
11. Re 2000: 'Florida is in a Different Place Now'
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 08:54 PM
Dec 2022

I trust this time the Democrats will throwing good money after bad.

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