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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTwo years from today, who will have been sworn in as the new President?
What are the odds that Donald Trump will be the new President two years from today?
The election of 2020 gave the people one last chance to save their democracy. It is unlikely that the next Democrat will get the total votes that Joe Biden received in 2020. Unforeseen circumstances created conditions for a large turnout, with the effects of the Covid epidemic, the drive-thru voting, the drop boxes, the huge mail-in voting campaign. It is unlikely to happen again, in my opinion.
How important will the next election be for the survival of our democracy?
Will we blow the chance we have been given?
lark
(22,993 posts)Garland could fuck us over by not indicting the orange anus, but think Joe will win regardless. Death Sentence will not wear well on the American public, he's too think skinned and belligerent and goes off the rails way too easy. He's tfg with no charm or ability to manipulate.
TigressDem
(5,121 posts)I think if we manage to put tRUMP in jail, he might hand the torch to Kamala.
Or maybe Hillary might run. She DID get the most popular votes in 2016. Correct one more wrong that tRUMP did to US.
Demsrule86
(68,347 posts)the rust belt. We cant win without the rust belt.
TigressDem
(5,121 posts)Kamala or Hillary maybe.....
Since Hillary won popular vote in 2016 and has faced tRUMP in court and won against his allegations ... with women mad as hell about ROE being overturned, a female for President will be a historic draw.
Someone who can run against DeSatan.
Demsrule86
(68,347 posts)Although, she would be a great president.
TigressDem
(5,121 posts)tRUMP was just effective in getting the electoral college votes in 2016.
With all the hoopla about the emails they could cast shade and it worked.
She would be (and Bill in the shadows with a word of advise here or there couldn't hurt.)
Demsrule86
(68,347 posts)You have to win the electoral college. Biden will run and win.
Emile
(21,881 posts)Hope22
(1,637 posts)It is going to take a lot to sell her as a serious candidate. Dont get me wrong I see her working on the border issues and making speeches about calendar events but if you dont look you dont see it and lazy American voters have know clue. We cant start from square one and win.
Demsrule86
(68,347 posts)the candidate.
Polybius
(15,235 posts)I'm sure he will, but there's always a chance.
Demsrule86
(68,347 posts)candidate who can win the rust belt states which makes it crucial that Biden run.
Hope22
(1,637 posts)Voters look to the Vice Presidential candidate, especially when the presidential candidate will pass 80 years in office. We cant underestimate that situation. We need to be ahead of the game with opposition such as we have. Dirt, lies, nothing is beneath them!
Demsrule86
(68,347 posts)Kamala or any woman, I just dont think we can at the moment. And Kamala wont win crucial rust belt states.
Hope22
(1,637 posts)For a while she was working on immigration with the countries of origin but I havent heard anything about that for over a year. They need to give her more exposure if they want to keep the same ticket next time around. I feel like her husband gets more/better press than she does!
Demsrule86
(68,347 posts)I dont know if ever.
She did poorly in the primaries. If it's not Biden, it will be Newsom.
Demsrule86
(68,347 posts)He cant win the rust belt. He is from California and would be painted as a tax and spend liberal. We would be lucky to win Virginia. We wouldnt win Michigan or the other rust belt states. I like Newsom but he wont be president until and unless we change hearts and minds.
Raine
(30,540 posts)Meadowoak
(5,516 posts)And the campaign has already begun bc everything happening this year will affect the outcome in 2024. Which is why we're seeing and hearing The Crazy gearing up, the preparation to throw everything against the wall, regardless of how stupid, with the hope of something sticking to erode Joe Biden's rising approval numbers.
Worked with Hillary. Now it's Joe's turn.
Of course, the reverse is also true--the more blatant, the more obvious The Crazy is to the public, the less likely the performance art will be effective.
Because Dems, Indies and still rational Republicans have seen this picture show before.
An anecdotal example is an appt. my husband had with his podiatrist, a life-long Republican. The man could not hide his complete disgust with the House Republican's utter chaos and conspiracy insanity on top of the January 6th Committee's investigation results. The idea that someone like MTG and her former sidekick Boebert or the likes of Gosar would be elevated to the Oversight & Accountability Committee was a sick, deranged joke, the doctor ranted. Add in George Santos for the perfect end note.
Biden has the advantage this time out. What was once new and shocking is old and depraved on this round.
Joe Biden for the win!
nevergiveup
(4,744 posts)between now and then. None of us really have a clue. The one thing I worry about is a full scale recession. If that happens it will be touch and go.
Demsrule86
(68,347 posts)Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)Demsrule86
(68,347 posts)BannonsLiver
(16,161 posts)My fear is about a certain candidate who is a very skilled operator (unlike Dump) and who the national political media will be falling all over themselves to normalize in the coming months, but is infinitely more evil, authoritarian and ruthless than Trump.
I have no idea who will be sworn in on January 20, 2025. If its not Joe Biden or some other Dem this country is fucked 7 ways to Sunday.
Hekate
(90,188 posts)lees1975
(3,718 posts)It will be whomever the Democrats nominate. In a landslide.
iemanja
(53,001 posts)W_HAMILTON
(7,813 posts)iemanja
(53,001 posts)They didn't predict a "red wave." That was the media. 538 had the GOP winning the House and the Senate close to a toss-up. That's what happened.
The media always runs their mouth with predictions, and they are almost always wrong. But then so were the posters here who claimed the Dems would win both houses in a landslide. There are no landslides in American politics, so that kind of prediction is inevitably wrong. Races are always tight. People who claim either Dems or Republicans will win in a landslide are only trying to reassure themselves.
W_HAMILTON
(7,813 posts)The good pollsters got it reasonably right.
The rightwing propaganda pollsters that were flooding """polling aggregators""" before the election to drive the narrative of a red wave got it wrong. BADLY wrong.
iemanja
(53,001 posts)That is not wrong.
Demsrule86
(68,347 posts)and perhaps realize how amazing it is that the red wave was a 4 seat majority which may not even last until 24. New York and California needs some redistributing asap to.
iemanja
(53,001 posts)and I'm glad you're happy with a GOP house. I actually prefer the Democrats control the House and Senate. But that's just me.
I remember when the Democrats actually gained seats in the 1998 elections.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections
Mr.Bill
(24,103 posts)His act won't play in more than about ten states.
W_HAMILTON
(7,813 posts)Demsrule86
(68,347 posts)Out candidates that would end up losing.
Trueblue1968
(17,137 posts)DFW
(54,047 posts)But, my prediction is that there will not be a "new" presidency, but a continuation of the present one.
Yeah, yeah, he'll be 80-whatever. I just spoke to my dad's cousin and her husband, who live in Washington. She's 91 and he's 95 (looks and sounds at least 20 years younger, scary guy). They still go around the country attending events--he was an old friend of Morris Dees of the Southern Poverty Law Center from decades back. She used to tutor Caroline Kennedy at the White House in 1962, is still active in social causes. At age 80, I'll probably be history, but some people can still handle anything at that age, and so far, it seems to me that Joe Biden has got the genes for it.
Sure, we have people who would be viable and dynamic candidates- Schiff, Swalwell, and Klobuchar immediately come to mind as just three out of several that I think could win the general. But Biden would now bring the same things to the presidency that he brought when he took office two years ago: the experience AND the temperament to do the job (wait for this) CONSERVATIVELY. By that I mean, thinking things out, weighing his options cautiously and realistically, and going for the best possible scenario, given his possibilities. He may not have a long string of stock rhetoric or standard lines he repeats ad nauseam at rallies, but the accomplishments of his administration in the last two years, ESPECIALLY compared with those of the clown who preceded him, speak louder than anything that will be shouted at any rally. Some yell slogans. He quietly DOES stuff.
Poiuyt
(18,087 posts)I think too many people will be turned off by his age. It will either be some other Democrat or a Republican. I doubt if it will be Trump or DeSantis, however.
I think Gavin Newsom, Gretchen Whitmer, or maybe Roy Cooper from North Carolina would be good prospects. I don't know much about Cooper, but being a southerner would be a big advantage. I don't know if Mayor Pete can win nationally.
Demsrule86
(68,347 posts)And I live in the mid west.
BunkieBandit
(78 posts)NT
Polybius
(15,235 posts)1) If it's Biden vs. Trump, Biden wins again. Perhaps by a larger margin even.
2) If DeSantis beats Trump in the primaries, Trump will run 3rd Party and Biden will win. He will never support Ron, claiming the the primaries were rigged.
3) If Trump is in jail or for whatever reason pulls out of the race and it's Biden vs. DeSantis, then I have no idea. My guess is that it would be close. However, it's too soon.
Demsrule86
(68,347 posts)and conversely Newsom would be unable to run to the center which is why dont think he will ever be president-He is a smart guy and all.
maxsolomon
(32,975 posts)And there will be full Dem control of congress.
The worst choice the 'Pukes could make would be Trump. Most bourgeoise 'Puke voters are tired of his schtick.
bigtree
(85,915 posts)...or project pessimism and cynicism over an election that hasn't even begun.
Nothing about the Democrats in the next election cycle will be as apathetic as this query.
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