The inappropriateness of the Dalai Lama looked typical of dementia to me.
Often times a person with dementia acts with no inhibitions and will show completely inappropriate behavior, even childish.
Ive seen it a few times from older men who were also complete straight arrows in their lifetimes. Never flirted their entire lives, even as young men. Also saw it once with an elderly woman.
The Dalai Lama is 87. I think if this was a pattern of behavior in his life wed have learned of it by now.
My gut tells me this is an 87 yo with dementia.
suddenly do something shocking that they never had done before, and it's Alzheimers or other dementia.
I. too, thought this was a sign of someone who has gone around the bend. Not to be vilified as a pedo, but to be chaperoned on future interaction with children. As many people who age, they become more child-like in their interactions. The Dali Lama is no different than many who return to their child roots.
those in other religions "groomers" and pedos."
It's actually interesting to see who excuses pedophilic behavior at all. Under any circumstances, it is sick. Ymmv.
This is really fascinating. Bookmarked.
They claim it should be up to the Tibetan people of the Buddhist faith. So there is likely to be 2, the Dalai Lama's choice and a Chinese choice.
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to do is devastating.
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person's tongue is a normal tradition there, don't buy it.
Are you actually trying to say if he said that to a little girl that it would somehow be ok?
It must have been an unsettling experience for the young man but maybe someone
can have a serious discussion with him about how people change as they age.
Very inappropriate things that could be construed sexually, or just someone who has no sense of inhibition.
It was incredibly hard to deal with, as there was never any warning of when she would do something and when she would act normal.
However, we certainly started to curtail her time in public spaces.
when she suffered the rath of dementia she swore like a sailor, couldn't control outbursts and such. A very cruel desease
with my dad.
Let me ask you, when your mom acted out like that, were the rantings within the realm of possibility within her whole lifetime?
or we could imagine her doing, previously.
That words and actions come out from info that was somehow stored in brain somewhere. Something they saw or heard somehow or read or experienced somehow even if not personally?
Just saw a show where a character has dementia. And someone said - just go along and not try to correct
Because they won't understand the answer. But my dad's refrain was a constant " where am I, when are we going home?" so you had to answer something.
It's not just bad memory. She denies that anything ever happened if someone helps her out.
She sees herself as self-made and independent. Her ego cannot handle the idea that she owes anyone gratitude.
She's a hoarder. She saves everything, except for some reason, she threw away all her tax documents for 2022 filing.
Now, I have to make a number of calls to banks, social security, and more. In a few weeks, after it's fixed, she'll deny that there was a problem.
it's so tough to deal with. She argues about events she sees in her mind that absolutely didn't happen.
very inappropriate requests of her. Her family realized that dementia was a part of his medical conditions.
My own father was 93 & seemed "sharp as a tack", but he was totally compensating. His anger was so out of control. His judgement could no longer be trusted. It was difficult to come to that realization. He passed away that year.
AND I have a close loved one that I'm keeping an eye on. Kinda like "On Golden Pond" with Henry Fonda, Jane Fonda, and Katherine Hepburn. The elderly patriarch started having signs of dementia that included inappropriate responses, poor judgement, anger, and fear. His wife (Katherine Hepburn) was the only one around him that understood what was going on.
The loss of any filter and losing a sense of social awareness are signs of dementia.
It seems he has lived an exemplary life. It could be time for him to step down and have his legacy preserved.
Personally I'd rather see His Holiness keep the title til his death.
Just ... maybe let kids know he's not altogether there.
Something like this really wouldn't have traumatized me as a little kid.
But then, I was around semi-nutty really old people all the time growing up
People think kids are a hell of a lot more fragile than they actually are, IMHO.
Some old man asking me to suck his tongue would've been NOTHING compared to the bullying I got from my asshole peers.
China SAYS they are appointing the next one. Tibet thinks tradition says otherwise and they will not see that as legitimate. They may end up with two, or none. However it works out will make what should be a purely spiritual tradition into a political nightmare. IMHO.
his tongue. I disliked even having people kiss me, and thank god my mother was cognizant of that and handled it well.
Even by like age 5 or 6 I knew really old people could be really wacky at times. I wouldn't have tripped on the 'ask', only if I'd had to actually do it.
The belief is that the current Dalai Lama is in his 14th incarnation and when his current body dies there will be no Dalai Lama on earth until he reincarnates for a 15th time.
I believe that was totally unacceptable for the Dalai Lama. He needs to be monitored during public appearances and relieved from duties.
he was made to suck on an old man's tongue, the video will be around forever.
The good perspectives on Tibet and Buddhism devolve to something similar to Roman Catholic priets abusing children or Evangelical/Christian debaucheries against innocent women trying to find peace in religion.
These type things are always interesting as we watch people twist themselves into pretzels to defend or excuse something that they would be stridently shouting about if it were a Christian leader. Smh.
his head in his life, having a boy suck on his tongue. Dementia, maybe yes, but dementia could bring out those hidden thoughts. the filter is gone, so they get blurted out.
This is beyond gross and inappropriate.
my 96 year-old dad suddenly has become besotted with ay. friend who used to work for him. He got her to send him a picture (she sent one of herself and her son) and he cropped the son out of the picture, blew it up, printed it out and hung it up right by one of our mom (who has been gone since 2013).
He even startled her by kissing her on the lips. He managed to figure out how to call her and is doing so multiple times a day. We were going to try to do an intervention but he was under the weather yesterday. Not sure it will work. He may have started having delusions, like my mother-in-law did her last year. She was convinced her husband was still alive but was having an affair with a physical therapist and they were making off with the money. My husband took her to visit the grave but still couldn't convince her that his dad was dead.
Frontal temporal dementia and Lewy Body dementia come to mind. Although Alzheimer's can also present this way.
How about the Pope? How about a leading Rabbi?
You're all good with it, right?
It presents as dementia.
Why assume otherwise?
Fascinating to watch the pretzels people are willing to twist themselves into with this.
or could be an innocent attempt at humor that went very awry.
I'm not going to leap to a judgement on which of these scenarios is the correct one, myself.
Eat My Tongue The Tibetan Phrase Che Le Sa'
A KEY POINT MISSING: In Tibetan culture, it is common to see the old grandparents not only give a pop kiss to the small children, but also give a small candy or piece of food to children from their mouths directly mouth to mouth.
This may not be the norm of your culture, but this is commonly done. After the elder gives a pop kiss and a candy, since there is nothing left in their mouth, nothing left to give, they will say the phrase Ok, now eat my tongue (not suck, as His Holiness misspoke due to his less proficient English). The Tibetan phrase is Che le sa. They say that as in ve given you all my love and the candy so thats it-all thats left to do is eat my tongue. And itis a playful thing that the children know. This is not really done in the Lhasa region (capital of Tibet) so much, but it is more common in the Amdo region (where HH is from). However, it is definitely a Tibetan custom.
If we are honest with ourselves, we know that when we form an opinion on any topic without considering many aspects of context in any given situation, we are choosing to keep a significant degree of ignorance in our reasoning.
This has added a great deal to my understanding of this incident.