Just finished reading the indictment and haven't heard a

[cachukis]

discussion as to why the boxes were moved.

Trump thought he would maintain his residence in the White House. He was not a particularly organized manager of paper as he rarely wrote or read.

He was unprepared for his move and packed up a great deal of culpability.

He was looking through every box for assets for the future and documents that might expose some of his malfeasance.

He was called out by NARA and had to comply. The only boxes initially returned to the archives had already been gone through. That's why he hid them and had the attorney sign off.

He moved them to Bedminster to continue his evaluation. He carried them elsewhere to keep them close.

He marked boxes and asked for new covers because he left clues.

I have not read or heard why he moved them, but it is obvious if you read the indictment.

He let the attorneys look through the boxes he had already scoured and asked them if they found anything good or bad.

The questions about why he was so worried about the boxes need to be answered.

[Ocelot II]

1. The prosecution doesn't have to prove a motive for any of it - that's irrelevant

to the elements of the charges in the indictment. TFG's motives (there are probably several - e.g. money, leverage, ego, trophy collecting) will probably come out eventually. If he actually sold documents to foreign governments the NSA probably knows but can't say for now.

[cachukis]

3. Yes, I agree.

I think that's why they have presented such a dead to rights case.

But I read the indictment and was struck by his keeping access to the information hidden as part of the reason he is charged with a conspirator.

He is a victim of his own narcissism.

Dostoevsky would be impressed.

I keep trying to figure why psychractics are the way they are.

[Ocelot II]

7. Psychologists and psychiatrists will be analyzing TFG's warped mind for decades.

[cachukis]

13. How is it has he trapped us all into a trance or bemusement?

I admit bewilderment as to why I am entertained by his wizardry knowing his evil. Satan has little on him.

[Ocelot II]

14. Classic demagoguery.

Demagogues have arisen in democracies from Athens to the present day. Though most demagogues have unique, colorful personalities, their psychological tactics have remained the same throughout history (see below). Often considered the first demagogue, Cleon of Athens is remembered mainly for the brutality of his rule and his near destruction of Athenian democracy, resulting from his "common-man" appeal to disregard the moderate customs of the aristocratic elite.  Modern demagogues include Adolf Hitler, Benito Mussolini, Huey Long, Father Coughlin, and Joseph McCarthy, all of whom built mass followings the same way that Cleon did: by exciting the passions of the mob against the moderate, thoughtful customs of the aristocratic elites of their times. All, ancient and modern, meet Cooper's four criteria above: claiming to represent the common people, inciting intense passions among them, exploiting those reactions to take power, and breaking or at least threatening established rules of political conduct, though each in different ways. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demagogue#Demagogues_in_power

[cachukis]

16. Are there any good demagogues? Seems like we could use one.

[Ocelot II]

17. They're always bad.

[cachukis]

19. Drat.

[Bev54]

2. He was moving boxes around to prevent his lawyer from finding any

documents that he wanted to keep. They moved them for him to go through them and then moved them before his lawyer was to do a search as requested by the DOJ. This is a big part of the obstruction.

[cachukis]

4. Yes. But I hadn't heard or read any discussion.

For my own benefit, I like to know why he needed to look through the boxes and what he purloined. I have my ideas, but there are a lot of people out there with better understanding than me.

[Bev54]

5. I think it was clear in the indictment in the notes of his lawyer, he told them he did not

want them looking in "his boxes". He was no doubt afraid they would make him give back the documents with classifications.

[cachukis]

10. Does this lead anywhere? I hope.

[Bev54]

11. It leads to a trial

[Walleye]

6. He couldn't possibly have thought a military attack plan for Iran, was his personal possession

We thought of it as a document case, right away he started calling it a “boxes hoax”, that was a tell

[cachukis]

8. Right. But he uses that to call out Milley, if I remember.

Did some of this get to the Saudis?

[Walleye]

9. Apparently he doesn't have it now

[intrepidity]

12. As posted above, Nauta moved boxes to Trump's living quarters

(and later, onto a plane headed to Bedminster) so that Trump could sort through them *before* the lawyers, so he could retain choice morsels.

There's plenty of other box-moving that is documented to show 1) how utterly unprotected the material was, and 2) that Nauta was lying when he told the Feds---during his voluntary interview, wherein he was admonished about lying---that he *never* moved any boxes.

Smith carefully crafted this indictment for the public's consumption. He showed all his cards and told the story. Trump did the heavy lifting of leaving the bread crumbs.

My concern now would be finding a jury who somehow remained oblivious to all of this. Since the judge plays a considerable discretionary role in jury selection, I really hope Cannon *is NOT* the one who will be doing that.

[cachukis]

15. Could the prosecution demand a reading test of the

indictment before voir dire? It would certainly ease my angst. Just hoping.

[intrepidity]

18. Not sure what you mean? nt