What If The Trump Coup Was More Involved?

[gab13by13]

This link is detailed, lengthy, and believable.

Trump, through Chris Miller and Kash Patel controlled the military and armed forces, most importantly controlled the national Guard.

Chris Miller clearly was behind not sending the Nations Guard in.

There were more agencies involved: ICE and the Secret Service were in on the coup, or so it seems, seeing as those agencies deleted their phone information from Jan. 6th. Coincidence? I think not.

Well worth the read, we almost had an autocracy;

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/what-if-trump-s-conspiracy-was-way-bigger-than-we-know-opinion/ar-AA1gxUdk?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=3c014f8cabdc4d2d87eb61638e0a087d&ei=37

[dalton99a]

1. Kick

[2naSalit]

2. K&R

Doesn't get enough media attention, actually doesn't get any at all.

[gab13by13]

9. Why no scrutiny of kash Patel,

I believe he was also involved in getting classified documents for Trump.

The rule/law that a president can give out security clearances when the person involved can't get one through the procedure needs to be changed. A lot of our nation's rules and laws were based on people in charge, like the president, being honest, patriotic people.

Trump is clearly a Putin/Saudi/Bibi asset.

[2naSalit]

12. Yeah...

The part where the pres has such ability to usurp the rules and process is showing itself to be problematic.

[BComplex]

19. I've been saying that for a long time, and getting a LOT of pushback re: first amendment.

But "free speech" has to have certain limits in order to prevent hard core propaganda from destroying our country and, as was obvious with MAGA response to COVID, actually killing people.

[2naSalit]

47. I agree.

[dalton99a]

14. +1. Patel is a sneaky creep

Acting Defense Secretary Chris Miller works in the aircraft cabin with Chief of Staff Kash Patel, after departing Peterson Air Force Base, Colo., Jan. 14, 2021. (DoD photo by Lisa Ferdinando)

In 2017 and 2018, while serving as a senior Republican staffer in Congress, Patel helped lead the House probe of "Russiagate," through which he claimed to have uncovered a "Deep State" inside the U.S. government that targeted Trump with a federal investigation into his alleged ties to Russia.

Patel joined the Trump administration in 2019, and in the final year of Trump's presidency, he was appointed acting deputy director of national intelligence -- the second-in-command of the entire U.S. intelligence community -- and then chief of staff to the acting U.S. defense secretary, a position critics claimed he was unqualified to hold.

Last year, Trump appointed Patel as one of his official representatives to the National Archives. Then, when the Justice Department's investigation of Trump's handling of classified documents at Mar-a-Lago became public, Patel claimed Trump declassified large batches of documents before leaving office -- a claim that reportedly landed Patel before the federal grand jury investigating the matter.

Patel now serves as a key political adviser to Trump, and he has become such a popular voice for Trump's agenda that Trump's former adviser Roger Stone recently said he named his dog "Kash" as an "homage" to Patel.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-loyalist-kash-patels-tax-exempt-charity-raises/story?id=97657747

[Captain Zero]

16. Puts his feet on the furniture, too.

nt

[NJCher]

45. LOL

I am very sensitive to that myself.

What a clod he is.

[LisaM]

58. Well...I have to keep my foot elevated lately.

I have a torn Achilles tendon and my foot swelled unless I elevate it. So I will pass judgement on that part.

[Blue Owl]

43. Roger Stone has a dog?

That poor thing... I get a "dog abuser" vibe from Roger Stone but hope I'm wrong, for the puppy's sake....

[niyad]

3. KNR

[uponit7771]

4. It was, the Pentagon is 3 miles away from capital complex... they waited for orders

[FalloutShelter]

5. Why do you think Tommy Tuberville is holding up military promotions?

This is the continuation of the coup. They are planning to steal this next election. Count on it, and if Trump gets his cronies into those empty chairs at the Pentagon, it's game-set-match.

[gab13by13]

10. Absolutely, I believe what Tooberville is doing,

is more involved than just his anti-abortion crusade. Democrats need to do more to stop Tooberville, this is insane to let this go on.

[Captain Zero]

18. Tooberville says its due to military allowing abortions in different states

than where the enlisted person is stationed
For example, he doesn't want a pregnant military member transferred from Alabama where abortion laws are strict to Chicago where they can get an abortion.

So that is his first attempt to damage military readiness.
Now that he is delaying appointments and promotions it is his second attempt to attack military readiness, and he is succeeding so far.

[lambchopp59]

35. I smell that rat every time an R cranks up any 'moral' issue

[Blue Owl]

44. Wastin' away again in Tommy Tuberville....

[calimary]

54. Bastard.

Maybe he's secretly working for the Russians? He seems hellbent on screwing this country AND its defenses.

BASTARD!

[2naSalit]

13. Exactly.

He should watch his back, they never honor their debts.

[KS Toronado]

42. "This is the continuation of the coup."

You might be on to something there.

R's do tend to play the long game and controlling the Military would be at the top of their "To-Do" list.

Book marking the article, has links to so many things we should remember.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/what-if-trump-s-conspiracy-was-way-bigger-than-we-know-opinion

[NJCher]

46. long game

R's do tend to play the long game and controlling the Military would be at the top of their "To-Do" list.

They're not smart enough to play the long game, JMHO. But they never stop trying.

If ever there was a "fly by the seat of your pants" operation, it's this one. Would anyone expect otherwise from trump, the U.S.'s Number One Loser?

[2naSalit]

48. +1

[yliza]

52. I'm not so sure about that

Trump may be dumber than dirt, but look what’s happened over the past 40+ years. Regan’s election (Iran-Contra, remember?) was the first real step. Since then it’s been union-busting, oligarch-making tax cuts, privatization of everything (including things like health care and prison which in my opinion should never be privatized), shredding of the social safety net, the capture of our judiciary…this is just what I can think of off the top of my head. Thom Hartmann himself references this in many of his columns. Trump is just the latest useful idiot, this plan has been going on for decades.

[erronis]

50. KS - I've copied a working URL without the tracking (I hope)

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/what-if-trump-s-conspiracy-was-way-bigger-than-we-know-opinion/ar-AA1gxUdk

These MSM/msn buggers are getting more clever it trying to keep their thumbs on us....

[spanone]

6. K&R

[Hotler]

7. "There were more agencies involved." Our CIA has lots of experience starting coups around the world.

Just saying.

[brush]

22. All for that bloviating, malignant narcissist...a deeply flawed POS if...

I ever saw one.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

55. No, for the real billionaires in the background...

traitortrump is a useful tool, easily manipulated, who stirred up a cult. He grabbed for power when Putini was ready, not when the Republican oligarchs were ready.

[johnnyplankton]

8. Great read

Scary though...

[gab13by13]

11. Scary as hell because it makes sense.

[Mister Ed]

29. Aye. What Hartmann outlines seems not merely plausible, but probable. And it prompts a question:

It stands to reason that government agencies are just as riddled with MAGA traitors as our general population is. There's no reason to expect that the Department of Justice is any exception, and that it's immune to the rot that Hartmann describes in the Department of Defense and the Department of State.

When Merrick Garland took the helm at DOJ, he would have known that that there were many hardcore MAGAs scattered high and low throughout his department and its agencies. People who would put Trump over country, and who would actively impede and sabotage investigations into the insurrection while leaking secrets and tipping off targets.

It would be difficult and painstaking work for him to thread his way through such a minefield of would-be saboteurs. Isn't it possible that's part of the reason investigations proceeded at such an aggravatingly slow pace before finally picking up speed and snowballing the way they have?

[Codifer]

36. Absolutely

Thank you.

[usaf-vet]

34. How does this recent DU post intersect with this former post. See link below to understand

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1017&pid=861153

The Republicans continuing plans to kill our Democracy and install a lifetime one-party rule.

Examples of this long-time planning.

Project for a New American Century

The PNAC (1997–2006) and the Post-Cold War ‘Neoconservative Moment’
https://www.e-ir.info/2020/02/01/new-american-century-1997-2006-and-the-post-cold-war-neoconservative-moment/

Now this: To be implemented with the next Republican POTUS.

Project 2025
Expertise-driven civil service government would be gone': Right-wing Project 2025 agenda revealed
Presidential Transition Project Project2025.org

[malaise]

15. It was and they will all suffer the consequences

It will take years

[Tomconroy]

17. I have always thought something was going on with

Those last minute Pentagon appointments.
Plus what was trump planning to do at The Capotal. He was so desperate to get there he attacked his secret service driver. Alex Jones announced where he was going to speak: the east side of the building.
Still a lot we don't know.

[Captain Zero]

20. I always thought the president had to be invited to the Capitol

And that day he was just going to barge down there?

[mopinko]

24. of all the transtion stalls, the pentagon stalls were the stall-iest.

there was absolutely shit going on. y esper split.

i’d like to know how flynn’s brother is still employed.

[jaxexpat]

59. If there's a lot we don't know about 1/6 at this point, the coup is ongoing.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

66. I don't think trump ever had any intention of going to Capitol

Think the strangling story was BS. They wanted us to think he was macho enough to go tho. Think about it... trump would never in a million years be brave enough to hang with his armed crazy thug mob.

[flying_wahini]

21. This picture has Miller looking at Top Secret docs. I wonder who else was on this trip?

And yes, the Coup is still underway. Nothing has changed except we now have Jack Smith!

[liberalla]

23. Bookmarking

[usonian]

25. A copy of the article should be mailed to every potential voter in the country.

The fokker sold out the country for his aggrandizement.

[C_U_L8R]

26. Their plan was bigger

But fortunately for us, Trump is a chronic fuckup. Whatever was planned, collapsed in the moment. And we may never know what, how or why.

[Dios Mio]

27. We will read about it in a decade or so.

I feel it is deeper than we thought.

[Botany]

28. Chuck Grassley on 1/4 or 1/5/21 I don't expect Vice President Pence to be there (certify the vote)

https://iowacapitaldispatch.com/2021/01/05/grassley-suggests-he-may-preside-over-senate-debate-on-electoral-college-votes/

And of the 658 windows on the US capitol all but 12 and 2 doors were bomb proof and the MAGA rioters hit
everyone of them

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a37884804/january-6-capitol-riot-unreinforced-windows/

[Kid Berwyn]

49. What a coincidence.

Free Jack Smith. The guy can lead the work needed to clear the traitors out — from the FBI and CIA to Congress, SCROTUS, Big Business and Finance, which are now pretty much the same corrupt thing.

[Botany]

63. Jimmy Carter, Al Gore, John Kerry, and Hillary Clinton ..... oh what could have been

Iran deal w/Reagan 1980, Florida 2000, Ohio 2004, & Russia 2016.

They have to cheat to win. And in 2020 they were working 24/7 to make Trump a dictator.

And don't forget some of the secret service was in on the attempted 2020 coup.

[Trailrider1951]

30. I've long suspected that we are seeing the tip of the iceberg

Fascism has metastasized into all aspects of our government. The military. The freakin Congress: how many Congress critters voted against certifying the results of the 2020 election? Even the Post Office. Why is DeJoy still there? We've got our work to do. GOTV!

[Grins]

31. "What if" it's worse? C'mon...

What I learned in the Army.

Got promoted to 1LT and there was a party for me at the O-Club that night. A Major asked me what I had learned during my first year as an officer. I told him:

"When the Army says things are great; they are just good. When they say things are not good - they are FAR WORSE!!"

True of all the services, and the government , federal, state, and local. And I can understand it. To a point.

What really happened during the Trump years in the Trump administration and Republican Party, culminating in the attempted Coup d'Etat on 06 January 2021 - is FAR WORSE than what we all think we know.

[erronis]

51. Ditto that. Far worse that we know, and still rotting/fermenting/scheming for the next round.

[pecosbob]

32. Anyone who was paying attention knew they had federal agencies standing down.

[Sneederbunk]

33. The only thing missing was competence.

[Beartracks]

68. They were competent enough to be dangerous, unfortunately.

[Pepsidog]

37. Mind blowing article.

[LiberalFighter]

38. Don't forget the Secret Service were trying to force Pence to leave.

[GarySeven]

39. What do you think the whole Tuberville thing is about?

Do you think it is about abortion access? That would imply principles that Repthugs simply don't have.

How about it being about waiting until Trump is installed so that Trump can appoint his own heads of military units, divisions, entire command structures; general officers who would not balk at securing voting machines, or being deployed to dispel protesters? Or more.

Jan. 6 was purely practice. They've now analyzed and seen the mistakes and holes in their plan, and they've been spending the past months and years putting the machinery in place so that those mistakes won't recur. We are in the midst of a slow-motion coup; the only kind of coup that could take place in this republic.

[aggiesal]

40. Is there anyway to read this without downloading an app? n/t

[roscoeroscoe]

60. Hit continue reading

Right below the app button

[Irish_Dem]

41. I've been asking this question since the day it happened.

When I saw absolutely no one in the nation's capital that day coming to help the Capitol police I knew
something was wrong, very wrong.

When I asked the question I got a lot of BS answers. Which could not be right.

There was absolutely no one in the entire DC, Virginia area who could help sitting members of Congress,
federal employees under attack. Totally not believable.

Total disgrace.

[AwakeAtLast]

53. THANK THE HEAVENS FOR NANCY PELOSI!

She didn't let anything hold her back!

[The Wizard]

56. The Fredom Caucus

has its fingerprints all over it. Traitors all. And all Putin lackies.

[C Moon]

57. And he's still able to run for President.

[DFW]

61. Looking back on that day

In perspective, I look upon their move as an arm's length hail Mary pass. Long shot, probably won't work, but hey there's nothing left to lose, and it might work.

Plus, the real perps behind the attempted coup had already insulated themselves to the point where they are hidden behind the obvious clowns that tried to do their dirty work for them. Otherwise, Greene, Gaetz etc. would already be behind bars awaiting trial for crimes that carry the death penalty.

[twodogsbarking]

62. The government was prepared (and possibly did) to shoot flight 93 down and kill

innocent people to protect the Capitol but on Jan 6 ?

[Bluethroughu]

64. Yes we did, and we are still in the fight against it.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

65. It's very interesting. But what we don't talk about is

why it didn't happen. Could something so devious and orchestrated all hinge on one man - pence? If they succeeded, wouldn't it be totally apparent that there was a very bad overthrow of the government? So why try to hide eliminating pence?

Just brainstorming here

On edit: like why didn't they force pence into the limo? Sounded like he said no, I'm staying... and that was that.

[sellitman]

67. Bookmarked!

Scary stuff.

Now I need 3-4 fingers of Buffalo Trace and it's only 10 AM

[Initech]

69. I've been saying it since Jan. 6th: One person does not a coup make.

It takes thousands, even hundreds of thousands of people to overthrow a government and it doesn’t happen overnight.