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Nanjeanne

(5,435 posts)
Thu Feb 15, 2024, 11:56 AM Feb 2024

Israeli Government to Reward New Immigrants Who Settle in Country's North, South and West Bank

Last edited Thu Feb 15, 2024, 04:06 PM - Edit history (3)

Against a backdrop of growing interest in immigration to Israel from Jewish people in France, Britain, America and Canada, Israel plans to give financial aid to new 'olim' in a bid to increase immigration from Western countries

. . .

The plan will cost a total of 70 million shekels (a little over $19 billion), and will provide 2,000 shekels (around $550) a month for two years for every immigrant who chooses to live in the geographic periphery or beyond the Green Line. Immigrants who rent apartments in the center of the country or in the Haifa area will receive assistance of several hundred shekels each month for two years.

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Sofer and Smotrich also announced a second program , which would introduce "absorption centers in the community," in which groups of immigrants will reside in newly built, currently empty apartments in Israel in their first few years in the country.
According to the director-general of the Aliyah and Integration Ministry, Avichai Kahana, 80 million shekels (roughly $22 million) will be budgeted for this plan over the next two years.


I have to ask -- if Israel has $41 billion to spend on Settler programs - isn't it time to say they don't need US taxpayer money????

Read full article here: https://archive.is/fP5Dn#selection-1065.0-1073.186]
Subscriber link: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-02-15/ty-article/.premium/israeli-govt-to-reward-new-immigrants-who-settle-in-countrys-periphery-and-west-bank/0000018d-ac36-da6e-af9f-ac3fffb70000]

* Note Haaretz has either made a mistake in amount of shekels or amount of US dollars. So it’s either 41 billion or 41 million. Haaretz will have to correct. For me - if they have this much to spend on spreading settlements, they do t need my money.
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Israeli Government to Reward New Immigrants Who Settle in Country's North, South and West Bank (Original Post) Nanjeanne Feb 2024 OP
Typo in the article enid602 Feb 2024 #1
According to todays conversion 70,000,000 shekels $19,316,365.60 US. Haaretz article figures. Nanjeanne Feb 2024 #2
This is why it's not true when supporters of Israel claim that Israel just wants to live in peace RAB910 Feb 2024 #3
Netanyahu and his predecessors have ways traded peace in order to steal more land. Lonestarblue Feb 2024 #5
Obviously Israel has no need of US aid, military or economic. Lonestarblue Feb 2024 #4
Should probably edit your OP Sympthsical Feb 2024 #6
It is direct quotes from Haaretz. I won't edit their words but will make note below link. I can't say if the Nanjeanne Feb 2024 #7
Then you are knowingly spreading false misinformation Sympthsical Feb 2024 #8
I'm not spreading anything. Could be the amount of shekels is wrong. So I'll leave it up to Nanjeanne Feb 2024 #9
So you posted an erroneous article Sympthsical Feb 2024 #11
No I posted an article with a note -and stated I don't care if it's 41 billion or 41 million. It's Nanjeanne Feb 2024 #13
Being concerned with saying true things is important Sympthsical Feb 2024 #14
You've made your point several times. BComplex Feb 2024 #16
It's an explosive number Sympthsical Feb 2024 #17
What is the pattern? Are you accusing me of posting tweets from anonymous people on the internet? Nanjeanne Feb 2024 #18
And IDF snipers have shot people running from hospitals, radius777 Feb 2024 #19
Exactly. Israel receives billions from us annually. radius777 Feb 2024 #15
Smotrich is one of the architects of cleansing: radius777 Feb 2024 #10
This Is Stupid, Ma'am The Magistrate Feb 2024 #12

enid602

(9,024 posts)
1. Typo in the article
Thu Feb 15, 2024, 12:41 PM
Feb 2024

"The plan will cost a total of 70 million shekels (a little over $19 billion). . . " This sentence implies that one shekel is worth 365 dollars. The shekel is actually worth USD$.365. Still, why should we give Israel any money if they are subsidizing immigration to Palestine territory?

Nanjeanne

(5,435 posts)
2. According to todays conversion 70,000,000 shekels $19,316,365.60 US. Haaretz article figures.
Thu Feb 15, 2024, 12:44 PM
Feb 2024

Millions or billions — I’d prefer my tax dollars go towards healthcare.

Lonestarblue

(11,731 posts)
4. Obviously Israel has no need of US aid, military or economic.
Thu Feb 15, 2024, 01:03 PM
Feb 2024

It is beyond disgusting that Israel is paying immigrants to come to Israel to steal Palestinian lands in the West Bank. The sooner the US government and other nations recognize Palestine as a state, the better. Netanyahu is essentially declaring that he will get rid of all Palestinians one way or another.

Sympthsical

(10,113 posts)
6. Should probably edit your OP
Thu Feb 15, 2024, 01:10 PM
Feb 2024

Millions. Not billions.

That is a massively significant difference. Misinformation.

Nanjeanne

(5,435 posts)
7. It is direct quotes from Haaretz. I won't edit their words but will make note below link. I can't say if the
Thu Feb 15, 2024, 01:12 PM
Feb 2024

error is in the shekels or the US conversion. That’s up to Haaretz to adjust.

Sympthsical

(10,113 posts)
8. Then you are knowingly spreading false misinformation
Thu Feb 15, 2024, 01:13 PM
Feb 2024

Why are you spreading false information after it has been objectively shown to you that it is egregiously wrong?

Nanjeanne

(5,435 posts)
9. I'm not spreading anything. Could be the amount of shekels is wrong. So I'll leave it up to
Thu Feb 15, 2024, 01:15 PM
Feb 2024

Haaretz to correct. A note has been made about the discrepancy.

Breathe.

Sympthsical

(10,113 posts)
11. So you posted an erroneous article
Thu Feb 15, 2024, 01:18 PM
Feb 2024

And you cannot confirm what is or is not true.

And you're spreading it and allowing it to remain - which is entirely within your control.

You're making a choice in that. Don't displace responsibility to Haaretz as if you are held bound by them.

You are making a choice to spread this.

Nanjeanne

(5,435 posts)
13. No I posted an article with a note -and stated I don't care if it's 41 billion or 41 million. It's
Thu Feb 15, 2024, 01:22 PM
Feb 2024

money Israel has to spend while taking money from US. The article can still be of interest and still be important to people. The programs are not erroneous. The piece is not erroneous. The amount they cost is in dispute and a note has been made on that.



Sympthsical

(10,113 posts)
14. Being concerned with saying true things is important
Thu Feb 15, 2024, 01:23 PM
Feb 2024

I guess it's less important when it comes to Israel?

Mysterious pattern.

BComplex

(9,048 posts)
16. You've made your point several times.
Thu Feb 15, 2024, 02:46 PM
Feb 2024

You, however, have missed the other point being made: Israel bombing (killing or displacing) tens of thousands of Palestinians, in order to spend a great deal of money to re-settle the disputed land with more Israelis, is a political issue that deserves scrutiny, when taxpayers in the United States are seriously subsidizing the Israeli military.

Sympthsical

(10,113 posts)
17. It's an explosive number
Thu Feb 15, 2024, 02:56 PM
Feb 2024

It deserves scrutiny and opprobrium for the magnitude of its wrongness.

I'm sorry, but this is a pattern. Throw wrong information out there, then when it is corrected, just pretend corrections either haven't been made or are beneath being honorable about.

Again and again and again. Anti-Israel stories that are blatantly false, mischaracterized, or given partially to obfuscate truth.

The shit deserves calling out, and no, I'm not going to let, "Not my words!" be a valid weaseling out or justification for a refusal to correct the headline - particularly online when people tend to only read headlines.

Sorry. Have a thing about people spreading true information - not bullshit.

I don't do, "But the larger truth!" to cover for lying and ridiculously wrong and untrue articles. Maybe mileage varies on that one. Certainly seems to where Israel was concerned. On the daily 'round here.

Nanjeanne

(5,435 posts)
18. What is the pattern? Are you accusing me of posting tweets from anonymous people on the internet?
Thu Feb 15, 2024, 04:05 PM
Feb 2024

Cause that happens a lot and is kind of a pattern.

This is an article by a well respected paper and posted with a note attached that the conversion rate is possibly wrong. And a discussion is open as to whether US taxpayer dollars should be sent to a country that has — either 41 million or 41 billion to spend on the spread of settlements into occupied territories. I have taken the total amount out of the title but if people only read titles then it’s not a wonder there are soma y ill informed people in the world.

Haaretz is an Israeli newspaper and no one is weaseling out of anything. I cannot change Haaretz’s headline so I have added and bolder a note. No idea why you are calling out an Israeli newspaper as lying where Israelis concerned.

The news story about paying people is not a new story. It is not untrue. Israel has always paid immigrants to settle in Israel. That it is being expanded during a war is a poor use of money. But that’s Israel’s choice. When we send US dollars every year - even when there is no war - to me is unconscionable. When we send even more money now is even worse.

But there is nothing in dispute except the conversion rate. Please write to Haaretz to express your displeasure with the article. I’ve sent a note to the author asking for clarification on the conversion.

radius777

(3,785 posts)
19. And IDF snipers have shot people running from hospitals,
Fri Feb 16, 2024, 06:40 AM
Feb 2024

others carrying white flags (that they were told to do) in cold blood, bombing indiscriminately, women and babies starving. All supposed to 'find hostages'. It's all the RW Likud's strategy of revenge that is similar to Putin's, of maximizing suffering amongst civilians, while using flimsy justifications. American tax dollars should never be used to sustain such a regime.

radius777

(3,785 posts)
15. Exactly. Israel receives billions from us annually.
Thu Feb 15, 2024, 01:29 PM
Feb 2024

Whether this particular program costs billions, millions, hundreds or pennies - the point of the article stands.

radius777

(3,785 posts)
10. Smotrich is one of the architects of cleansing:
Thu Feb 15, 2024, 01:15 PM
Feb 2024
https://www.ips-journal.eu/topics/foreign-and-security-policy/america-must-face-up-to-israels-extremism-7268/
25.01.2024 | Michelle Goldberg - The New York Times.
America must face up to Israel’s extremism
The resettlement of Palestinians from Gaza is slowly becoming a key official policy of the Israeli government.
Two far-right members of Israel’s Cabinet – the national security minister, Itamar Ben-Gvir, and the finance minister, Bezalel Smotrich – caused an international uproar this week with their calls to depopulate the Gaza Strip. ‘If in Gaza there will be 100 000 or 200 000 Arabs and not two million, the entire conversation on “the day after” will look different’, said Smotrich, who called for most civilians in Gaza to be resettled in other countries. The war, said Ben-Gvir, presents an ‘opportunity to concentrate on encouraging the migration of the residents of Gaza’, facilitating Israeli settlement in the region.


I have to ask ... isn't it time to say they don't need US taxpayer money????

That time should've been long ago. The US should not be dedicated to the ongoing 'existence' of any foreign country, especially not a RW theocracy masquerading as a democracy.

The Magistrate

(96,043 posts)
12. This Is Stupid, Ma'am
Thu Feb 15, 2024, 01:20 PM
Feb 2024

Anyone who takes it up is even more stupid than the promoters of this political and diplomatic idiocy.

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